The Old School questions thread

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

No, I don't believe so.

 

It didn't take the Big 2 very long to start using it themselves.

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SMW 92 or 93: Stan Lane, Tom Prichard and Bobby Eaton vs Robert Fuller, Jimmy Golden and ? vs R n and Roll Xpress and ? --- Big Bossman was ref it was a 3 way Street Fight --- Cornette paved the way for ECW in this case

[Human Fly 0]

Was there a reason why Rick Rude did not get more of a run on top? He seemed to have it all but I do not remember him interacting with Hogan much and aside from working with Warrior at Summerslam 90 I do not remember much in the way of WWF main event programs.

 

Also, what lead to him jumping to WCW in the early 90s? (I seem to remember the storyline reason was that he was suspended for making fun of the Bossman's mother.)

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

No, I don't believe so.

 

It didn't take the Big 2 very long to start using it themselves.

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SMW 92 or 93: Stan Lane, Tom Prichard and Bobby Eaton vs Robert Fuller, Jimmy Golden and ? vs R n and Roll Xpress and ? --- Big Bossman was ref it was a 3 way Street Fight --- Cornette paved the way for ECW in this case

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It was Lane, Prichard and Eaton vs. Fuller, Golden and Dutch Mantell vs. Morton, Gibson and, of all people, Arn Anderson (great angle to bring him in, btw).

 

Was there a reason why Rick Rude did not get more of a run on top? He seemed to have it all but I do not remember him interacting with Hogan much and aside from working with Warrior at Summerslam 90 I do not remember much in the way of WWF main event programs.

 

Also, what lead to him jumping to WCW in the early 90s? (I seem to remember the storyline reason was that he was suspended for making fun of the Bossman's mother.)

 

Rude wasn't big enough for the era. He had the physique, but he just didn't have the mass or the height to make it on top as a heel when you needed to be huge in some fashion. He left the WWF over a contract dispute. He wound up suing the WWF because of it, because while Rude was still under contract but not being used, WWF still used Rude's name to promote house shows, and Rude felt that he should get pay offs from those shows because his name had been used to sell tickets. WWF felt otherwise, and legal fun for all ensued. Rude wrestled in All Japan while it got sorted out, and there is a tape out there of Rude teaming with Steve Williams and Terry Gordy in a six-man taking on Mitsuharu Misawa, Toshiaki Kawada and Tsuyoshi Kikuchi.

[Rendclaw 0]

He got a settlement from them, right?

[Lil' Bitch 0]

 

For the 3rd time, Bret Hart teamed up with Hulk Hogan, but this time they were both faces. What was the date in 1999 and who were the opponents in this match on Nitro?

[Guest jm29195]

For the 3rd time, Bret Hart teamed up with Hulk Hogan, but this time they were both faces. What was the date in 1999 and who were the opponents in this match on Nitro?

 

 

 

That would be the 13th September Nitro, the match was Hogan/Bret vs Sting/luger....Sting pinned Hart (9:59) after Luger hit Hart in the face with a baseball bat

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Did the Rougeaus ever win a match with their finisher (Le Bombe de les Rougeaux) after turning heel in '88?

[cawthon777 0]

I have them listed as winning a number of squashes in 89 with a "double team top rope move", which I can only assume is the same finisher.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

On Jake's DVD, it says he had a feud with Hogan, did they even a match? Can anybody give the details on that?

 

Also, did Bret Hart ever wrestle Jake Roberts?

 

And what started the Warrior / Lawler feud?

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

Did the Rougeaus ever win a match with their finisher (Le Bombe de les Rougeaux) after turning heel in '88?

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They pinned Jim Powers on SNME with a double team move in Nov 88.

[cawthon777 0]

On Jake's DVD, it says he had a feud with Hogan, did they even a match?  Can anybody give the details on that?

 

Also, did Bret Hart ever wrestle Jake Roberts?

 

And what started the Warrior / Lawler feud?

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In some markets, a Snake Pit segment was shown in which Jake hit the DDT on Hogan. It was done to promote Jake / Hogan in the areas where they would be wrestling. They only had a handful of matches in late 86 / early 87, immediately before Jake turned babyface.

 

I think I have one or two instances of Bret vs. Jake, either in singles or 6-man tags. It was during 87-88. I don't think Bret remembers them because he said recently that Jake was one of the guys he would have liked to have wrestled.

 

IIRC, Lawler gave Warrior a painting of the Ultimate one ... Warrior told him off, Lawler broke the frame over Warrior's head. Something along those lines.

[Jericholic82 0]

On Jake's DVD, it says he had a feud with Hogan, did they even a match?  Can anybody give the details on that?

 

Also, did Bret Hart ever wrestle Jake Roberts?

 

And what started the Warrior / Lawler feud?

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In some markets, a Snake Pit segment was shown in which Jake hit the DDT on Hogan. It was done to promote Jake / Hogan in the areas where they would be wrestling. They only had a handful of matches in late 86 / early 87, immediately before Jake turned babyface.

 

I think I have one or two instances of Bret vs. Jake, either in singles or 6-man tags. It was during 87-88. I don't think Bret remembers them because he said recently that Jake was one of the guys he would have liked to have wrestled.

 

IIRC, Lawler gave Warrior a painting of the Ultimate one ... Warrior told him off, Lawler broke the frame over Warrior's head. Something along those lines.

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I remember Lawler distracting Warrior on RAW (night after the beware of dog IYH got "blacked out") during a KOTR qualifier vs Goldust, which caused UW to chase Lawler and get counted out.

[cawthon777 0]

I think you're right. I believe the painting was given to smooth things over between the two.

[Guest Fook]

That exact segment is shown on the Warrior DVD. They basically just have everyone laughing at Warrior for wearing a baseball cap to the ring causing him to look extremely goofy (more than usual I mean).

[Jericholic82 0]

That exact segment is shown on the Warrior DVD.  They basically just have everyone laughing at Warrior for wearing a baseball cap to the ring causing him to look extremely goofy (more than usual I mean).

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Oh yea I remember the painting thing now.

 

 

as for the dvd, Lawler was probably still mad that UW got to kick out of the piledriver. and you know HHH was mad that UW kicking out of the pedigree got to be on th dvd

[Guest MikeSC]

OK, here's one:

 

How in the hell did Al Perez never come to close being a star? He seemed to have the look. His ringwork was decent enough. His promo skills --- well, he had Gary Hart talking for him, so it's really hard to judge. He is one of those guys I always thought would take off and he never, ever did.

 

Any clue as to why?

[Fökai 0]

Was there a battle over Macho's services back when he first joined Titan? From what I've gathered on this board, NWA (or at least Flair) tried to woo him when he was making his world title push/run.

[cawthon777 0]

How in the hell did Al Perez never come to close being a star?

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It might have helped his chances if he didn't run out of the WWF.

 

At least that's the story.

[Guest MikeSC]

How in the hell did Al Perez never come to close being a star?

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It might have helped his chances if he didn't run out of the WWF.

 

At least that's the story.

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I was actually more shocked that he couldn't catch on the NWA.

[Betty Houle 0]

Also, did Bret Hart ever wrestle Jake Roberts?

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One-on-one? Not that I know of.

 

They were on opposite teams in various tag matches - the one I remember the most (because I was there) was Jake-Tito Santana-Bruno Sammartino vs. the Honkytonkman and the Hart Foundation in a 6-man elimination tag at the old Boston Garden in the Spring of 1987.

[pochorenella 0]

I was checking the Wrestling Stars of the 80s DVD, and on the Kerry Von Erich vs Jerry Lawler match the commentators stated that both had defeated Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, and Randy Savage. I do recall Flair and Von Erich trading the NWA Title in Texas and Japan, and I recall Savage and Lawler feuding in Memphis, but other than that I'm unaware of the instances were said wrestlers faced the other guys. Anyone can help pinpointing this matches and the circumstances surrounding them? Thanks.

 

Also, what are the circumstances surrounding Kerry Von Erich's fake leg? How did he lose it? How long did it take for him to return to the ring? When did the truth emerge or was it always known?

[Dobbs 3K 0]

I was checking the Wrestling Stars of the 80s DVD, and on the Kerry Von Erich vs Jerry Lawler match the commentators stated that both had defeated Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, and Randy Savage. I do recall Flair and Von Erich trading the NWA Title in Texas and Japan, and I recall Savage and Lawler feuding in Memphis, but other than that I'm unaware of the instances were said wrestlers faced the other guys. Anyone can help pinpointing this matches and the circumstances surrounding them? Thanks.

 

Also, what are the circumstances surrounding Kerry Von Erich's fake leg? How did he lose it? How long did it take for him to return to the ring? When did the truth emerge or was it always known?

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I can't give you specifics, but there is a famous match out there where, IIRC, Ric Flair defended the NWA World Title against Lawler in Memphis. I assume Lawler won by countout or DQ. I'm almost positive Lawler beat Hogan in his early days when he was Sterling Golden or Terry Boulder in Memphis. Lawler and Savage feuded in Memphis, as you said.

 

Von Erich is harder to figure out. Obviously there is the NWA Title win over Flair. I assume Hogan and Savage must both have come through Texas at early points in their careers and jobbed to Von Erich? Hogan and Von Erich never met in WWF, since both were faces, but maybe Savage and Von Erich had a house show match or something in WWF where Von Erich won?

 

As far as Von Erich's leg, he actually just lost part of his foot. It was in a motorcycle accident. Supposedly the doctors tried to save it by re-attaching it, and then Von Erich got out of bed to get a hamburger and ended up wrecking his foot permanently. Most people didn't know about the foot at all, as it was never mentioned on TV or anything. But he did wrestle with a prostethic, notably against Mr. Perfect in WWF.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

How in the hell did Al Perez never come to close being a star?

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It might have helped his chances if he didn't run out of the WWF.

 

At least that's the story.

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Are you referring to how Perez was supposed to play the Razor Ramon character, or something else?

[cawthon777 0]

I was referring to the story involving him and Pat Patterson.

 

Pat is talking about whether Al should be face or heel and said, "Well, you can go both ways."

 

Legend has it that Al didn't like the implications of that statement and left.

[Guest MikeSC]

I was checking the Wrestling Stars of the 80s DVD, and on the Kerry Von Erich vs Jerry Lawler match the commentators stated that both had defeated Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, and Randy Savage. I do recall Flair and Von Erich trading the NWA Title in Texas and Japan, and I recall Savage and Lawler feuding in Memphis, but other than that I'm unaware of the instances were said wrestlers faced the other guys. Anyone can help pinpointing this matches and the circumstances surrounding them? Thanks.

 

Also, what are the circumstances surrounding Kerry Von Erich's fake leg? How did he lose it? How long did it take for him to return to the ring? When did the truth emerge or was it always known?

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Von Erich is harder to figure out. Obviously there is the NWA Title win over Flair. I assume Hogan and Savage must both have come through Texas at early points in their careers and jobbed to Von Erich? Hogan and Von Erich never met in WWF, since both were faces, but maybe Savage and Von Erich had a house show match or something in WWF where Von Erich won?

It's, unfortunately, easy to figure out. Von Erich never faced them and Lee Marshal was pulling stuff out of his ass to make a match for two rather useless belts to seem important.

As far as Von Erich's leg, he actually just lost part of his foot. It was in a motorcycle accident. Supposedly the doctors tried to save it by re-attaching it, and then Von Erich got out of bed to get a hamburger and ended up wrecking his foot permanently. Most people didn't know about the foot at all, as it was never mentioned on TV or anything. But he did wrestle with a prostethic, notably against Mr. Perfect in WWF.

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The good thing is that he was so blitzed out of his mind he never noticed the pain.

[pochorenella 0]

Do any of you have a date for when this motorcycle accident happened? It is pretty obvious that Von Erich is using the prosthetic on his match vs Lawler, you can tell he walks funny with his right leg, and you can also notice his right boot is somewhat different. So it has to be way before all this happened. Was it before or after his matches with Flair for the NWA Title?

[alfdogg 0]

Supposedly the doctors tried to save it by re-attaching it, and then Von Erich got out of bed to get a hamburger and ended up wrecking his foot permanently.

This is not true at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It was a cheeseburger.

[Guest MikeSC]

Do any of you have a date for when this motorcycle accident happened? It is pretty obvious that Von Erich is using the prosthetic on his match vs Lawler, you can tell he walks funny with his right leg, and you can also notice his right boot is somewhat different. So it has to be way before all this happened. Was it before or after his matches with Flair for the NWA Title?

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June 1986.

[MDH257 0]

This was brought up in the observer a week or two ago. Kerry didn't lose the foot in the accident as widely believed. He lost it because he came back and wrestled way too soon, this only made the problems with his foot worse and led to the amputation.

[Boner Kawanger 0]

Alright, Kevin Nash being in the hospital led to discussion of his heart attack that kept him from jobbing to The Giant at Starrcade and made me think of this: Could Nash take the chokeslam? If not, how was he supposed to lose? Botched nWo interference? The legendary Giant Moonsault?