The Old School questions thread

[Boxer 0]

What was the plan for Ahmed Johnson's IC title run? Was there going to be and eventualy Intercontiental vs. WWF Champion match down the road between Shawn and Ahmed? Or was Ron Simmons going to take the belt off of him?

[Jingus 0]

NWA North American Champino Jeff Jarrett pinned Chainz after the Rock 'n' Roll Express interfered

Jarrett, Brian Lee, Ricky & Robert, and an NWA belt. Man, that's more Southern than a plate of meatloaf and fried okra.

 

Also, weird to look back on these old shows and remember when guys like Daniels, Modest, Morgan, Crash, Scotty, etc. were all standard jobbers.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

He also defended against Bradshaw at No Way Out

 

 

Damn, overlooked that while browsing for the answer to Invader's question at Graham's site.

 

 

On a similar vein, how long were The New Blackjacks together? I had no idea they were still around in early '98.

 

It was actually in Kamala's results a few posts up: January 19,1998, the night of Austin ruining Vince's Tyson announcement. I wouldn't have been able to tell you that had he not posted those, I just remember them being broken up by Wrestlemania 14.

[King Kamala 0]

I can't believe one of the most heatless tag teams ever lasted almost a whole year.

 

 

What was the point of that whole NWA invades WWF storyline? To give the NWA title prestige? To put WWF over as a superior promotion? Was there even one?

[Dobbs 3K 0]

I think they saw it as a venue to promote Jeff Jarrett as an old-school type wrestling champion. That's the only thing I saw in it.

 

Oh, and I actually liked the New Blackjacks. If they had just actually pushed them and had them beat anyone significant, maybe they could've gotten over. Really, Bradshaw and Windham as sort of a proto-APA could've been entertaining.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

The mistake was calling them the "New" Blackjacks. Anything with the word new in it usually causes the audience to tune them out as weak imitations. Plus, it's not like the original Blackjacks were so over with the late 90s WWF crowd that using the name would get them any kind of heat.

 

Windham and Bradshaw as ass-kicking rednecks should have been able to get over.

[Jingus 0]

The entire NWA thing was a Vince Russo idea. Yeah, that's right. So take it a step further and ask yourself, "why?" Personally, I agree with what Cornette has said on the subject: it was all one big rib from Russo, trying to make fun of Cornette and southern-style wrestling in general, both of which he hated.

[Boxer 0]

The mistake was calling them the "New" Blackjacks. Anything with the word new in it usually causes the audience to tune them out as weak imitations. Plus, it's not like the original Blackjacks were so over with the late 90s WWF crowd that using the name would get them any kind of heat.

 

Windham and Bradshaw as ass-kicking rednecks should have been able to get over.

 

 

There was also New Razor, New Diesel, and the New Rockers. Am I missing anyone else who had "New" in their names?

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

New Midnight Express

[King Kamala 0]

We're forgetting The New Foundation, though I actually liked them. I think they only dissolved because Neidhart went to WCW. I thought they could have made a fine second tier tag team. Of course, without them dissolving we never would have had High Energy!

[Dobbs 3K 0]

New Midnight Express

 

Who were really underrated, IMO. They could have been a special team, if not for the Brawl for All.

[Boxer 0]

Did the ever dub the Rocky lead Nation the NEW Nation? And let's not forget about the NEW Generation.

 

It seems the only "New" that worked was the nWo.

 

[Jingus 0]

Don't forget the New Breed, Chris Champion and Sean Royal, who did a tag-team gimmick in the mid-80s that they were SENT BACK IN TIME (by President Dusty Rhodes!) in order to, uh, get jobbed out and be forgotten.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

Did the ever dub the Rocky lead Nation the NEW Nation?

 

No. They were still just "The Nation". They did seem to re-arrange themes quite a bit, if that counts.

 

[Richard 0]

Did the ever dub the Rocky lead Nation the NEW Nation?

 

No. They were still just "The Nation". They did seem to re-arrange themes quite a bit, if that counts.

 

They were no longer "of Domination" though.

 

Also, the NEW World Order

[King Kamala 0]

We're forgetting the NEW Age Outlaws.

 

 

But I think the point that was trying to made is any tag team where their gimmick is having the same gimmick as another tag team almost never works.

[reign 0]

New Brood?

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

But I think the point that was trying to made is any tag team where their gimmick is having the same gimmick as another tag team almost never works.

 

That was the point I was making. Everyone else sort of missed the boat.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Yeah, I don't think you can really point to any "New" tag team and say they were as or more successful than the old one.

[King Kamala 0]

Hate to make more "what was the point of...."? questions but I got another one now that we were talking about new and old

 

 

But what was the point of The Old Age Outlaws (Short lived group of old, mostly retired wrestlers led by Terry Funk in early 2000 WCW)? I mean I know someone had to combat N.W.O. 2000 but why a bunch of old dudes who were mostly inactive? Did Kevin Sullivan really think this would draw?

 

 

And that group indirectly ruined Souled Out 2000!

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Hate to make more "what was the point of...."? questions but I got another one now that we were talking about new and old

 

 

But what was the point of The Old Age Outlaws (Short lived group of old, mostly retired wrestlers led by Terry Funk in early 2000 WCW)? I mean I know someone had to combat N.W.O. 2000 but why a bunch of old dudes who were mostly inactive? Did Kevin Sullivan really think this would draw?

 

 

And that group indirectly ruined Souled Out 2000!

 

Probably Vince Russo ripping on the WWF's "New Age Outlaws" like alot of Vince Russo's stuff in WCW. Also I guess they needed some "legends" to put over Jeff Jarrett as a "legend" since most of the legends still in WCW either wouldn't do the job, injured or doing their own thing.

[King Kamala 0]

Well that makes except none of them put Jarrett over. In fact, Jarrett put all of them over. Ah later day WCW gotta love it.

 

 

And here's a question, was there any reason or explanation as to why Brad Armstrong was in the short lived No Limit Soldiers stable?

 

 

[LivingLegendGaryColeman 0]

Well that makes except none of them put Jarrett over. In fact, Jarrett put all of them over. Ah later day WCW gotta love it.

 

 

And here's a question, was there any reason or explanation as to why Brad Armstrong was in the short lived No Limit Soldiers stable?

 

Armstrong became a No Limit Soldier because they were making him a clone of his brother the Road Dogg. Their thinking was seeing Road Dogg was super over in WWE, why not try the same thing with his brother? It must be the same.

[haVoc 0]

I'm pretty sure they never worked a program, but has Dusty Rhodes and Hulk Hogan ever faced each other? The American Dream Vs The Real American. The dancing Vs the posing. The promos cut on each other could have been legendary.

[Jingus 0]

Only once that I'm aware of, in New Japan sometime in the early 80s. Match was nothing special, as I recall.

[Boxer 0]

Does anyone know where the Animal storyline was going to go in 2001? When he returned at WCW Sin? Also, why didn't Hawk return to WCW with him?

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

Because Droz threw him off the titantron and killed him.

[King Kamala 0]

Does anyone know where the Animal storyline was going to go in 2001? When he returned at WCW Sin? Also, why didn't Hawk return to WCW with him?

 

 

IIRC, there wasn't anything more to it than what happened. He just joined to become part of The Magnificent Seven stable at the time. I don't know where Hawk was. Didn't Hawk have a run in WCW without Animal in '93?

 

Am I the only who liked The Magnificent Seven? I liked where they were going with storyline before WCW got bought out (With Scott Steiner "retiring" a bunch of the main event babyfaces, leading to a big confrontation)

[Guest Lee_The_Pea]

Does anyone know where the Animal storyline was going to go in 2001? When he returned at WCW Sin? Also, why didn't Hawk return to WCW with him?

 

 

IIRC, there wasn't anything more to it than what happened. He just joined to become part of The Magnificent Seven stable at the time. I don't know where Hawk was. Didn't Hawk have a run in WCW without Animal in '93?

 

Am I the only who liked The Magnificent Seven? I liked where they were going with storyline before WCW got bought out (With Scott Steiner "retiring" a bunch of the main event babyfaces, leading to a big confrontation)

In 1993 Hawk did have a little run in WCW, but it was lackluster. Animal had a serios back injury in 1992 and did not wrestle untill coming back to WCW in 1996. I believe that Animals role in 2001 would have been to be a bodygaurd type for that group because he was not legally allowed to wrestle due to collecting a settlement from Lords of London

[AntiLeaf33 0]

New Brood?

 

I thought they were still referred as the Brood