The One and Only Smackdown! HCTP Thread

[AndrewTS 0]

Did they improve on the Sleeper holds?

 

In SYM they had crap for Sleeperhold finishers

 

couldn't do a proper Beefcake or Adrian or Roddy Piper

Yeah, the crappy old sleepers are still in, but there are ones that allow you to get submission wins now. Roddy has one as a default finisher, for instance.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

One and Only SmackDown! HCTP thread, we barely knew ye...

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

How about this for discussion- what do they need to fix/improve for the next game?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

How about this for discussion- what do they need to fix/improve for the next game?

- Make the big guys a little less dominant

- Make default CAWs easier to build up

- Make the AI a little smarter when it comes to not doing the same thing over and over again. (IE Running into Standing Turnbuckle Moves)

- Implement the CAW Password system

- Bring back a Tournament Mode

- Better selection of Legends

- Jerry Lawler as a playable wrestler

- Add Stretcher, Ambulance, and Buried Alive Matches

- Add Create A PPV and Create a Belt

[cbacon 0]

Multiple Player season mode (online/offline)

[Guest JacK]

Yeah . . . why are little guys so inept? I mean; c'mon . . . they screwed up making strength the be-all and end-all of attacking moves; I preferred it with the four attributes from the other games for attack. At least then a friggin little guy stood a chance against even a lower card big guy.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Did they improve on the Sleeper holds?

 

In SYM they had crap for Sleeperhold finishers

 

couldn't do a proper Beefcake or Adrian or Roddy Piper

Yeah, the crappy old sleepers are still in, but there are ones that allow you to get submission wins now. Roddy has one as a default finisher, for instance.

Which is, of course, Triple H's famous MAIN EVENT SLEEPER~!

 

And I'm with Jack on the little guy hate. I love Ultimo, but there's no point BEING him because guys like Lesnar (how I hate that fucker) obliterate you with about 3 moves.

 

Also, who the fuck died and made Roddy Piper a Cruiserweight!? I put him in my season and he's handing to guys like Rey Mysterio & Tajiri.

 

UYI

[Guest Metallica]

Iron Man matches that last longer than 10 minutes would be a nice improvement

 

I've found the 3 V 3 elimination tag match is a pretty good alternative though.

 

They need more chair related moves in the next game.

 

Better sound effects for the backstage areas and the areas around the ring. I'd like to be able to hear the sound of steal when you do a suplex on the ramp etc. Moves done outside the ring should cause more damage also.

 

I'd like to see more ring post related moves too, like Bret's figure four.

 

Improved AI - there've been lots of times when someone like RVD will just run up and climb the ropes whilst I'm on the other side of the ring....and then just do the move anyway lol even though he has no chance of getting anywhere near me.

 

There's an annoying thing that happens in 6 tag matches too, it's as if the computer decides there's not enough room for 2 guys to stand on the ring apron so one of them climbs the ropes and then gets thrown into the ring by the ref. Really annoying when you've got a guy covered but the ref is busy throwing people into the ring..

Edited November 24, 2003 by Metallica

[Anakin Flair 0]

The AI annoys me sometimes. Like when I hti a finisher, and the AI guy kicks out... and then roundly kicks my ass, not letting me counter ANYTHING, preventing me from taking a walk, and then hitting their finisher and trying to pin me.

THAT's freakin annoying.

[AndrewTS 0]

Yeah . . . why are little guys so inept? I mean; c'mon . . . they screwed up making strength the be-all and end-all of attacking moves; I preferred it with the four attributes from the other games for attack. At least then a friggin little guy stood a chance against even a lower card big guy.

Hmph, probably the E's idea to make that change in the first place.

 

It isn't even just that, it's also that lower card guys have far lower stats than the upper card ones in total. Yeah, in season mode it makes sense that Goldberg is going to beat Steven Richards all the time. However, in virtually any fighting game character balance is considered important. Not so here.

[Guest Ghettoman]

Well damn, it took me awhile but I've officially evened the playing field.

 

I went ahead and did seasons with every undercarder there was, until everyone was on similar ground. Steven Richards and my Dreamer CAW are tag champs, Hurricane is the World Heavyweight Champ, Misterio is the US champ, I think right now Angle is the WWE Champ, fueding with Haas, and ironically Triple H and Goldberg are the SD Tag champs.

 

It's like bizarro world.

[Guest Trivia247]

anyone else notice that the gameplay is a bit choppy. and its harder to pull off grapple moves?

[Guest Coffey]

It would be nice if the game didn't automatically redirect whom you were targetting. I have countless experiences where I've been trying to attack someone, only for my character to turn around and face someone else. Thus, the previous wrestler whom I was attempting to attack, grapples me from behind.

 

That's annoying as shit.

 

We definitely need tons or new original music/titantrons for the CAW's. Actually, it we could just do what the X-Box does and have the ability to download tracks/vids to the PS2 harddrive, that would be great. Then we wouldn't have to worry about Legends not having their own music and shit.

 

By the way, why is Nikolai in the game? Does anyone ever play with him? His finisher is a freaking bearhug! I couldn't stand him back when he was a wrestler and I sure as hell don't want to play with him in a game.

 

Also, we need to be able to edit existing wrestlers attire somehow. I just wanted to take off Kane's shirt and it's not possible. Also, Goldberg has his old WCW attire instead of his semi-short white WWE attire. Little things like that get annoying.

 

Most importantly. The feature that I want implemented the most: Title defenses/changes in Exhibition matches. Not only that, but I want the records to be kept as well. If I have the title and a friend beats me for it, I want my friends character to now possess the belt in season mode.

[dubq 0]

It would be nice if the game didn't automatically redirect whom you were targetting. I have countless experiences where I've been trying to attack someone, only for my character to turn around and face someone else. Thus, the previous wrestler whom I was attempting to attack, grapples me from behind.

Try turning off auto targeting...

[Guest Coffey]

I didn't know that was an option....

[AndrewTS 0]

If you don't want to gradually earn points for each CAW you make:

 

Gameshark v2 codes!!:

 

(Master) Codes/Enable Codes

0E3C7DF2 1853E59E

EE8D0122 BCBA9032

 

Or if the 1st one don't work

 

(Master)Codes/Enable Codes

0E3C7DF2 1853E59E

EE8EFE86 BCBA9032

 

Infinite Creation Points

DE901832 BCA99B83

CE9024B0 BCA9AB83

[dubq 0]

I didn't know that was an option....

Yah, it's in one of the option sections. In-Game, I think.

[Guest Coffey]

If you don't want to gradually earn points for each CAW you make:

 

Gameshark v2 codes!!:

 

(Master) Codes/Enable Codes

0E3C7DF2 1853E59E

EE8D0122 BCBA9032

 

Or if the 1st one don't work

 

(Master)Codes/Enable Codes

0E3C7DF2 1853E59E

EE8EFE86 BCBA9032

 

Infinite Creation Points

DE901832 BCA99B83

CE9024B0 BCA9AB83

I was thinking about picking up a Sharkport so that I could get CAW files copied over. Would I still have to get a Gameshark, or would the Sharkport cover it?

 

I really don't want to spend $100 just to make this game better....

[Guest JMA]

Things the game needs to improve on:

 

Easier to learn controls

Less "blown" spots and misses

More realistic movement

 

Also, does anyone else think whomever did this game has played EWR?

[dubq 0]

Things the game needs to improve on:

 

Easier to learn controls

Less "blown" spots and misses

More realistic movement

 

Also, does anyone else think whomever did this game has played EWR?

LMAO, these controls are easier to learn than AKIs..

 

And I don't see what similiarties this has with EWR.. it's not a booking game.

[Guest Chris Shivan]

More options with Women.

They added B & P matches sure but CAW's can not participate in them.

Where was Molly/ Jackie Gayda/ Gail Kim/ Shanquia/ Nidia? They took time to put Lita in and the new Kane in which happened after most those women were on air.

You couldn't pick a woman to play in a season mode yet they always appeared in matches in season.

My major complaint was just that if you take the time to redo Kane, then why didn't you take the time to add the rest of the omitted wrestlers (Bashams, Morgan, Jones, Women, etc) There were quite a few actually.

 

Agreed on the music choices (C'mon PS2 out with a hard drive all ready!!!) I mean the D-X entrance moves are in the game but not the video or music??? On that note scrap the create animation mode in favor of a pick your pyro/ lighting/ moves based in a create a move set type of set up pyro 1 lighting 1 moves 1 type thing.

 

Yuke's is supposed to be developing an Online Wrestling Federation game. So you know that the create mode there will have to be the most massive one yet.

[Nighthawk 0]

My major complaint was just that if you take the time to redo Kane, then why didn't you take the time to add the rest of the omitted wrestlers (Bashams, Morgan, Jones, Women, etc) There were quite a few actually.

Kane's more fun to play as than those jackasses anyway.

[Guest JMA]

LMAO, these controls are easier to learn than AKIs..

 

And I don't see what similiarties this has with EWR.. it's not a booking game.

Maybe it's because it's on Playstation 2. I had an easier time learning the AKI controls myself.

 

As for the EWR thing... I was speaking about the options after a match, asking to become a singles wrestler, Superstar points, heels/faces, ect al. I got an EWR vibe from it.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

My major complaint was just that if you take the time to redo Kane, then why didn't you take the time to add the rest of the omitted wrestlers (Bashams, Morgan, Jones, Women, etc) There were quite a few actually.

Kane's more fun to play as than those jackasses anyway.

Agreed.

 

Nothing beats killing Hurricane with a choke toss, big boot and a chokeslam.

 

UYI

[Guest Chris Shivan]

Ah, but Kane would have still been Kane with or without the mask. So Choke Slam, Choke Toss, Boot away!

 

We all know Jones & Morgan are just the HOSSES of the month for Vince.

 

Kane Unmasked 6/23/03

Gail Kim debut and Title Win 6/30/03

Molly Holly gets #1 contender 7/7/03 Wins Title 7/14/03

 

That prior week on Smackdown 6/19/03 Nunizo fights Taker and is not in the game

Zach Gowen's Storyline was playing out He's not in the game Billy Gunn worked that show he's not in the game Kanyon Appeared He's not in the game.

 

Yet Ultimo Dragon who's debut wasn't till 6/24/03 (Tuesday taping day) or the air date of 6/26/03

IS IN THE GAME!

 

So we look at the 6/26 show Mr. America (Pulled from game by WWE) APA, Kidman, Orlando Jordan, all 3 of the FBI, Shannon Moore

 

The next Monday's RAW has Jackie Gayda, Maven, Tommy Dreamer, La Resistance(WHO WERE TAG CHAMPS), and Spike Dudley.

 

The US Title tourney was still going on at this time, so How did THQ know Eddie was winning? Perhaps cause they were still working on the game then?

 

Ah don't you hate it when you can't fault the facts? Leaving out 17 workers who appeared form the time Kane was unmasked till the next night's Smackdown taping. Just unacceptable IMO.

[Nighthawk 0]

Yeah, guess so. On a slightly unrelated note, alter Kane's moves a bit and do this chain with him: turnbuckle attack On The Top Rope, Flying Clothesline, Goldberg Wake Up, Fingers Taunt, Chokeslam. Looks damn cool.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Shivan, those may be facts, but here's another one:

 

I have yet to meet anyone who actually cares that any of those guys are missing. AT ALL.

 

Suck on that one.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Man has a point.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Shivan, those may be facts, but here's another one:

 

I have yet to meet anyone who actually cares that any of those guys are missing. AT ALL.

 

Suck on that one.

I care that Nunzio is not in the game.

 

I still haven't been able to make a really good CAW of him.

 

 

As we're all suggesting improvements...the Rumble needs to be tweaked and tweaked until it's as realistic as possible. Have submission style bars when you go to throw someone out, have Rumble style elimination animations...

 

And the Cage Match needs a 'throw into cage' move, or something.

[Guest Chris Shivan]

Ah but we do care about Piper/George Steele/ Hillbilly Jim? Yet leave out Bret/Owen/Warrior(I do care less about that one)

 

No I DO NOT care about who was or wasn't added. I care that that large a number was left out, but they HAD TO BE STILL developing the game while those were in active WWE storylines.

 

I'd have much rather had Bret/Owen than Hillbilly/Steele as legends. I mean the parts to make them are in the CAW, even the move sets, so why not just take the time to put them in the game as well?

 

Point is STILL that THQ was still in development of HCTP, and left out a number of things.

Either they rushed it, ran out of room, or didn't care.