Garrison Cade, Mark Jindrak & Maven

[razazteca 0]

RAW cannot do anything with the talent they get out of the OVW while Smackdown made stars out of Cena, Shelton, Haas.

 

Where is the only guy that I cared about.......where is Chris Nowinski? Cade and Jindrak are ok but they are not maineventers and neither is Maven.

[cabbageboy 0]

Well, Cena just came up with a gold gimmick, that is why he got over. And he also is also around the awesomeness of Eddie and people like that. Haas and Benjamin got a gold initial gimmick and angle as Team Angle.

 

With the Raw rookies they are just essentially dudes thrown on TV. Garrison Cade to me is "the guy who fought Lance Storm when the boring schtick started." Jindrak is "the guy who used to be on WCW for a while." Maven is "the guy who won Tough Enough." Of the 3 Maven is the only one with any sort of decent gimmick and backstory, but Tough Enough will only carry you so far.

 

It would help if Raw could figure out who they want on the show regularly. I mean, they are using A Train booking with half the damn roster (shows up and wins a few, gets pushed, then jobs and vanishes for months). This isn't limited to just the rookies like Cade, Jindrak, and Maven either. Even guys like Test, Steiner, and the Hurricane just sorta show up with no rhyme or reason. They might do a backstage skit but not wrestle.

 

Example: just last night I figured the whole Test/Steiner/Stacy angle would be featured. At least some sort of running backstage stuff and a match of some sort. Instead there is one skit of Steiner carrying the bags...what the hell? They take a situation like humiliating Steiner and can't think of ANYTHING amusing?

 

I see it all the time on Raw. Segments devoted to guys who aren't even wrestling on the show that night. Stuff like the Rosey SHIT stuff. Rosey does a comedy skit, doesn't wrestle...what is the point?

 

Anyway, if they want Orton to lead a new group of rookie jobbers, fine. But for god's sake don't push them to the main event yet, hardly any of them are ready for even the IC level.

[AndrewTS 0]

Here's a thought about this stable...

 

If it's a heel stable...when Chris Nowinski returns (if he ever does)...will he turn face to feud with them, or stay heel and join them?

Unless he's going to lead them, which he won't because Orton will, hell no.

 

Although if Orton had another injury, Chris (Nowinski) would be perfect to take over. Perhaps he could do a gimmick kind of like Goodear suggested that should have been done with Orton.

 

Keep Nowinski heel and the hell away from them.

 

Example: just last night I figured the whole Test/Steiner/Stacy angle would be featured. At least some sort of running backstage stuff and a match of some sort. Instead there is one skit of Steiner carrying the bags...what the hell? They take a situation like humiliating Steiner and can't think of ANYTHING amusing?

 

I don't get it either. They have no problem making Storm look like an ass, but we can't get a decent skit utterly humiliating Steiner? No dress to match Stacy's? No funny costume? They'd better make up for this next week.

[razazteca 0]

They should 1st go after the tag titles, instead of getting the mainevent match out of nowhere. They also need a manager, I doubt any of them have the ability to do a promo or interview. Out of the group I think Maven might be able to be the talker but that is only because he was on Tough Enough...........but in the reality of sports entertainment he is just a guy with weird eyebrows.

 

So is Garrison Cade going the the Barry Windham gimmick or what? Why not just call him Blackjack Hickembottem, its not like he has anything else to do. I kind of feel sorry for Jindrak as he had to carry the bum Chuck Palumbo in WCW and now again he has to carry some green bums in matches. Maven should be in Mark Henry's spot. Mark Henry should be in Europe or Japan basically anywhere but Raw or Smackdown.

[Guest Coffey]

I wouldn't be against the WWE making a big stable with a lot of the younger guys. Who says it just has to be 3-5 people like all stables of the past? Then again, if you get above that you're getting into nWo type numbers. Which means that you'll have an "A" team and a "B" team, which in the long run makes the stable seem less credible.

 

Sean O'Haire definitely needs something to do. Randy Orton is on the up and up, but he shouldn't be the "leader" of anything. Batista needs a place to shine and try to get out from under his boring rock. I'm not high on Garrison Cade truthfully, although most of that is due to inexposure to him. I think Mark Jindrak has potential. OMG, there's that word again!

 

I'm really liking the advancement of Maven. He's getting into better shape and still improving. He seems to have a bright future as well.

 

Randy Orton

Dave Batista

Mark Jindrak

Garrison Cade

Sean O'Haire

Maven

 

If you gave them some sort of leader, you could refer to them as the "Magnificent Seven" or something along those lines.

 

When I say a leader, I'm thinking of someone like Dean Malenko. Someone who can give them some sort of direction. Possibly Ric Flair. Flair can talk.

 

"The days of the IV Horsemen are dead. I give you the Magnificent Seven!" They are the future of professional wrestling!"

 

Blah, blah, blah. Some shit like that.

 

Yeah, I know that sounded corny as all hell, but you get my point.

 

At least it would give the OVW vanilla jobbers some direction.

[Just call me Dan 0]

Seven is just too many people. I don't want them involved in every match on a PPV card besides women's wrestling. This would be another WCW/nWo deal with one stable taking up WAY too much airtime. If you cut their air time, only few of the 7 get anything meaningful to do, and the rest become X-Pacs. Don't want that.

[AndrewTS 0]

Magnificent Seven it too generic.

 

And do we have to have Davey "Mr. Clothesline" Bautista come back? Can't he stay in OVW or where ever he is?

[Guest Coffey]

Seven is just too many people. I don't want them involved in every match on a PPV card besides women's wrestling. This would be another WCW/nWo deal with one stable taking up WAY too much airtime. If you cut their air time, only few of the 7 get anything meaningful to do, and the rest become X-Pacs. Don't want that.

It's not too many when you have 2-4 of the members in tag teams. It's not like Raw couldn't use more teams....

[Just call me Dan 0]

That is very true, but why can't you have these guys split up, and the couple of tag teams can just get over on thier own characters instead of multiple run-ins from thier buddies? It's just too many people and it gives way to much space for nWo booking, which has NEVER been good sans the 1st month it was created.

[Guest Coffey]

Who said there has to be run-ins? Perhaps their gimmick would be to "win by themselves to prove they are the future" or some shit like that.

[SamoaRowe 0]

Whatever they do, I don't want to hear a stable called "The Magnificent Seven." This is partly because there actually was a WCW stable by that name near the end, and it included whoever WCW was trying to get over as a main event heel at that time (Jarrett, Road Warrior Animal, probably Steiner).

[SamoaRowe 0]

Who said there has to be run-ins? Perhaps their gimmick would be to "win by themselves to prove they are the future" or some shit like that.

WWE always makes sure that every stable they put out are masters of "the numbers game."

[Guest Basswitch]

My idea for what Raw should do for the Randy Orton stable is this...

 

They should have these guys for the followin reasons.

 

IF they are a heel stable then...

 

Randy Orton - Leader

Sean O' Haire - The silent muscle man

Paul London - The risky, daredevil

Maven - Fed up with being.. just the Tough Enough kid

Garrison Cade - One member of The tag team of the stable

Mark Jindrak - " "

Spanky - Have spanky come over, because he is tired of being abused by guys like Lesnar, and have him be a bad ass heel.

 

If their face then have everyone the same except no O'haire.

 

just my ramblin idea

[Styles 0]

WCW's Magnificent 7 were:

-Scott Steiner

-Jeff Jarrett

-Ric Flair

-Lex Luger

-Buff Bagwell

-Road Warrior Animal

-Mike Sanders (I think, Im not sure about this one...it could have been Rick Steiner the more I think about it)

Sure about 6 of 'em, any WCW 01 buffs want to confirm?

[Styles 0]

My idea for what Raw should do for the Randy Orton stable is this...

 

They should have these guys for the followin reasons.

 

IF they are a heel stable then...

 

Randy Orton - Leader

Sean O' Haire - The silent muscle man

Paul London - The risky, daredevil

Maven - Fed up with being.. just the Tough Enough kid

Garrison Cade - One member of The tag team of the stable

Mark Jindrak - " "

Spanky - Have spanky come over, because he is tired of being abused by guys like Lesnar, and have him be a bad ass heel.

 

If their face then have everyone the same except no O'haire.

 

just my ramblin idea

Wait, Randy Orton is the leader in a stable with WWE Champion Brock Lesnar?

[ChrisMWaters 0]

My idea for what Raw should do for the Randy Orton stable is this...

 

They should have these guys for the followin reasons.

 

IF they are a heel stable then...

 

Randy Orton - Leader

Sean O' Haire - The silent muscle man

Paul London - The risky, daredevil

Maven - Fed up with being.. just the Tough Enough kid

Garrison Cade - One member of The tag team of the stable

Mark Jindrak - " "

Spanky - Have spanky come over, because he is tired of being abused by guys like Lesnar, and have him be a bad ass heel.

 

If their face then have everyone the same except no O'haire.

 

just my ramblin idea

No Nowinski?

 

BOO!

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

I see Jindrak as a MAJOR star down the road. He has great ability and can do a SPRINGBOARD CLOTHESLINE at 6'5" 260 or 270. That takes some skill.

[SamoaRowe 0]

WCW's Magnificent 7 were:

-Scott Steiner

-Jeff Jarrett

-Ric Flair

-Lex Luger

-Buff Bagwell

-Road Warrior Animal

-Mike Sanders (I think, Im not sure about this one...it could have been Rick Steiner the more I think about it)

Sure about 6 of 'em, any WCW 01 buffs want to confirm?

I'm pretty sure the 7th member was Rick Steiner, since he was being pushed around that time.

[Guest Black Tiger]

The stable isn't a bad idea at all, the young guys are sick of being held down. Hell, you can even keep the Evolution name

 

Randy Orton

Mark Jindrak

Garrison Cade

Maven

Bautista

Chris Nowinski

 

and the manager/mouthpiece......RIC FLAIR!

 

HHH takes his break and when he comes back he has another six man like on RAW the other night but Flair and Orton turn on him and he gets beaten down.

 

The five of them don't acutally wrestle the next week, but have Flair cut a promo about how Evolution is about CHANGE and that's what RAW needs. The next week Jindrak and Gade challenge the Dudleyz for the tag titles and win when Chris Nowinski makes his return, on the same show HHH challenges Orton and after he hits the pedigree Bautista runs in and beats down HHH and joins the group.

[notJames 0]

Ugh.

 

You guys are way off base with these guys. NONE of them have potential to be anything even remotely close to great. Orton will be given the HHH push to no avail, because he's being molded after a shitty wrestler instead of going with whatever it is they saw in him in the first place. The other guys, especially the wCw rejects, would be dime-a-dozen Velocity fodder if they weren't roided up (Jindrak, Batista) or had connections to the Clique (Cade).

 

And please, don't mention guys the calibre of Spanky and London in the same breath as those RAW losers. To borrow a Brainism, that's like comparing filet mignon to horse manure.

[Guest Goodear]

Thye have no character, no stand out moves, and no reason for being... of course they aren't going to get over.

[Guest Anglesault]

Randy Orton

Mark Jindrak

Garrison Cade

Maven

Bautista

Chris Nowinski

Wow, and if you combine the talent of everyone in that group, you almost have the talent of Eddy!

 

Before you know it, people will see Eddy on Smackdown and Suckbag, Inc. on Raw and asking if it's real or Memorex.

 

and the manager/mouthpiece......RIC FLAIR!

 

The manager should never, ever be more talented than the whole stable.

[TheFranchise 0]

My idea for what Raw should do for the Randy Orton stable is this...

 

They should have these guys for the followin reasons.

 

IF they are a heel stable then...

 

Randy Orton - Leader

Sean O' Haire - The silent muscle man

Paul London - The risky, daredevil

Maven - Fed up with being.. just the Tough Enough kid

Garrison Cade - One member of The tag team of the stable

Mark Jindrak - "                "

Spanky - Have spanky come over, because he is tired of being abused by guys like Lesnar, and have him be a bad ass heel.

 

If their face then have everyone the same except no O'haire.

 

just my ramblin idea

Wait, Randy Orton is the leader in a stable with WWE Champion Brock Lesnar?

No Lesnar in that stable..

[TheFranchise 0]

and the manager/mouthpiece......RIC FLAIR!

 

The manager should never, ever be more talented than the whole stable.

Read:Evolution.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Yes, the Magnificient 7 was Scott Steiner, Animal, Flair, Luger, Bagwell, Sanders and Jarrett. Rick Steiner wasnt in WCW at the time. He left after that angle with Tank Abbott, Goldberg and Scott Steiner, before Scott became the WCW champion.

[KTID 0]

From www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling

 

The Magnificant Seven (2001): Ric Flair, Scott Steiner, Rick Steiner, Jeff Jarret, Lex Luger, Buff Bagwell, and Road Warrior Animal.

[Styles 0]

Yes, the Magnificient 7 was Scott Steiner, Animal, Flair, Luger, Bagwell, Sanders and Jarrett. Rick Steiner wasnt in WCW at the time. He left after that angle with Tank Abbott, Goldberg and Scott Steiner, before Scott became the WCW champion.

Booker T beat Rick Steiner for the TV title on the last WCW PPV Greed, so no go there.

[Styles 0]

My idea for what Raw should do for the Randy Orton stable is this...

 

They should have these guys for the followin reasons.

 

IF they are a heel stable then...

 

Randy Orton - Leader

Sean O' Haire - The silent muscle man

Paul London - The risky, daredevil

Maven - Fed up with being.. just the Tough Enough kid

Garrison Cade - One member of The tag team of the stable

Mark Jindrak - "                "

Spanky - Have spanky come over, because he is tired of being abused by guys like Lesnar, and have him be a bad ass heel.

 

If their face then have everyone the same except no O'haire.

 

just my ramblin idea

Wait, Randy Orton is the leader in a stable with WWE Champion Brock Lesnar?

No Lesnar in that stable..

Sorry, misread it, was looking down the list of names and saw Lesnar at the end there.

[Guest Korgath]

Jindrak and Cade are are fresh bunch of faces (tho' generic) in the RAW tag scene. I appreciated their work on Heat, and I think they really found their niché as "generic RAW tag team".

 

Which isn't saying much, naturally.

 

They need a gimmick to get anywhere now. Putting them with Maven aka "generic vanilla face" isn't going to help.

 

What about a military gimmick led by Slaughter? Except that would mean having to pit one vanilla team against another...

[2GOLD 0]

Let them do an "American Males" gimmick.

Complete with the hand clap!