Angle vs. Cena

[notJames]

Angle is yet another wrestler with so much talent that he's used primarily to make lesser guys look better. I can really see him carrying the industry to the next level, if they'd only give him the ball for real, instead of these half-hearted pushes.

 

It's a little disheartening to know that a truly talented generation of wrestlers (Benoit, Guerrero, Angle, Jericho, etc.) have been held under the pecking order so much by the old guard (HHH, UT, Austin) that they'll be surmounted by the newer crop of "potential" superstars (Cena, Brock) without ever tasting true Main Event status.

[Guest Anglesault]

But what the hell good could POSSIBLY come from any of this?

 

This could be Bret/Austin II if done correctly. Mock me if you will, I'm sticking to my guns.

 

No, it won't.

 

Angle isn't anywhere near as good as Hart and Cena doesn't touch Austin.

 

Don't you bring up this topic every time that Angle drops down to a mid-card feud, AS? 

 

Yes, because it's stupid.

[Lord of The Curry]

But what the hell good could POSSIBLY come from any of this?

 

This could be Bret/Austin II if done correctly. Mock me if you will, I'm sticking to my guns.

 

Don't you bring up this topic every time that Angle drops down to a mid-card feud, AS?

*mocks*

 

You need to watch Bret/Austin again, sport. Cena/Angle will be fast-paced and full of hiptosses and dropkicks that will be used to hide the lack of substance this feud carries.

[Guest RollingSambos]

Angle is the best in the business right now and the closest thing that we got to a Bret. I know that you'll argue that Chris Benoit is better based on his experience and world tours, but right now he's just NOT better than Angle. Angle is a freak of nature and we should treat his years in the business like dog years because he wrestles like he's been doing it for 10-20 years.

 

Cena doesn't touch Austin in experience or in-ring ability, but he is a hot heel commodity. He is portraying a new kind of badass character that people haven't seen before, and as a result he's a way over tweener heel. Also, his ground n' pound style is very similar to Austin's ring style circa 1996.

 

I don't think that Angle and Cena will be dropkicking all over the place. Maybe with the old Cena, not anymore. Angle is a submissions wrestler, Cena is ground n' pound. It's going to be a whole lot more technical and methodical than you think.

[Lord of The Curry]

Cena works a "ground n'pound" style?

 

Oh, that's rich. You obviously have no idea what consists a "ground n'pound" style. Vader, Takada, Maeda, Albright. Those men worked a "ground n'pound" style. Cena does not.

 

What the fuck is the difference between "old Cena" and this "new Cena" that works the GNP style? Oh, wait, he actually has a name for his finisher now. That's it.

 

Also, Eddy and Benoit are still better then Angle.

Edited September 26, 2003 by Lord of The Curry

[Guest Anglesault]

Angle is the best in the business right now and the closest thing that we got to a Bret. I know that you'll argue that Chris Benoit is better based on his experience and world tours, but right now he's just NOT better than Angle. Angle is a freak of nature and we should treat his years in the business like dog years because he wrestles like he's been doing it for 10-20 years.

 

Cena doesn't touch Austin in experience or in-ring ability, but he is a hot heel commodity. He is portraying a new kind of badass character that people haven't seen before, and as a result he's a way over tweener heel. Also, his ground n' pound style is very similar to Austin's ring style circa 1996.

 

I don't think that Angle and Cena will be dropkicking all over the place. Maybe with the old Cena, not anymore. Angle is a submissions wrestler, Cena is ground n' pound. It's going to be a whole lot more technical and methodical than you think.

So in other words, they can deliver the Poor Man's Hart vs. Austin.

 

Wow, can't pass that one up.

[Guest Anglesault]

, Cena is ground n' pound

What exactly does this mean?

[Guest RollingSambos]

Cena refers to his own style as "ground n' pound". All I'm trying to say is that he doesn't take a lot of risks. I'm not trying to steal your precious puro terminology. I guess Cena is not a true grounder n' pounder, and simply a North American poseur...

 

 

Hey, it may be a "poor man's" Austin vs. Hart, but I still can't wait. You never know, it might deliver in a big way. 99.9% of the people on this board disagree with me - which I accept, because I'm coming out of left field with this one - but I'm sticking with it because I believe in this match and this feud.

 

Plus, it'll be fun to prove you all wrong.

[Guest nikowwf]

Cena gets good heel heat, so it should be heated if nothing else. Undertaker/Angle is good, but that makes Angle a heel again, and the last thing he needs is to turn one more time.

 

If they do this feud light on the comedy it will be good.

 

niko

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Hey, he even changed his sig to prove you ALL wrong! I hope you're shaking now...

 

Why do people feel compelled to give wrestlers (esp. Angle) "the next _______" monicker? Can't they be their own wrestlers? Do they realize that they just make them sound like not-as-good knockoffs? I guess not....

[Guest RollingSambos]

That was the greatest feud of all time, so even 50% of that would be great.

[Lord of The Curry]

Cena refers to his own style as "ground n' pound". All I'm trying to say is that he doesn't take a lot of risks. I'm not trying to steal your precious puro terminology. I guess Cena is not a true grounder n' pounder, and simply a North American poseur...

 

 

Hey, it may be a "poor man's" Austin vs. Hart, but I still can't wait. You never know, it might deliver in a big way. 99.9% of the people on this board disagree with me - which I accept, because I'm coming out of left field with this one - but I'm sticking with it because I believe in this match and this feud.

 

Plus, it'll be fun to prove you all wrong.

Why must it always be a "precious puro terminology"? Stop being such a little bitch about it, because TWO of the people I reffered to are American that wrestle a true GNP style. Cena has no idea what GNP is if he thinks that he's working it. I guess if I'd have named some non-Japanese wrestlers you wouldn't have cared, right?

[Guest Anglesault]

Cena gets good heel heat, so it should be heated if nothing else. Undertaker/Angle is good, but that makes Angle a heel again, and the last thing he needs is to turn one more time.

I'd try Taker/Angle face/face.

 

That was the greatest feud of all time, so even 50% of that would be great.

 

You think Cena is half as good as Austin?

[nl5xsk1]

I don't think face/face feuds work that well ... too many fans need one person to cheer and one person to boo. In a face/face feud, some of the dimmer fans get to confused and the angle ends up losing heat as a result.

 

It's time for a break in the Angle/Lesnar feud, so putting Angle and Cena into an angle makes sense. It'll still be one of the biggest matches at the PPV (along w/ Lesnar/Taker, Eddy/Show, and the McMahon circle jerk.)

 

And while it won't propel Cena to the top of the ME scene, it doesn't hurt him to be rubbing elbows with people like Angle. And if it expedites his entry into the ME scene, then it's good for the company.

 

Lastly, the only person who EVER talks about the Edge/Angle feud is AS, so I don't think that it was the career killer that it gets described as. Was it the best use of Angle? No. But in the long run, did it hurt Angle's credibility at all? No.

[Guest Anglesault]

And while it won't propel Cena to the top of the ME scene, it doesn't hurt him to be rubbing elbows with people like Angle

But it wouldn't make a difference either way, right?

 

WASTE OF TIME.

 

Was it the best use of Angle? No. But in the long run, did it hurt Angle's credibility at all? No.

 

We don't know. If they hadn't gone out of their way to make Angle look like the idiot incompetant midcard buffoon, his whole career would have had a different path. Maybe he would have been cemented as a full time ME last year, allowin him to have a feud with Cena now that actually elevates him.

[cabbageboy]

First off, why is a waste of time feud such a bad thing? Not every feud has to boost everyone in it to new heights. I figure Cena and Angle will just trade wins for a while, do some mic work, it'll all be ok. It's but a small feud in the grand scheme of things.

[Guest Anglesault]

First off, why is a waste of time feud such a bad thing?

Because it's a waste of everyone's time?

[Guest nikowwf]

Angle/Taker Face/Face feud would turn Angle heel. i can't see it not doing that.

 

niko

[Crimson Platypus]

First off, why is a waste of time feud such a bad thing? Not every feud has to boost everyone in it to new heights. I figure Cena and Angle will just trade wins for a while, do some mic work, it'll all be ok. It's but a small feud in the grand scheme of things.

Because the WWE is shit right now, and nowhere near their peak. The idea is to get back to, and hopefully surpass it. Remember it's a business, and the goal is to make as much money as possible. You don't gain new business by maintaining the status quo.

[King Cucaracha]

Cena gets good heel heat, so it should be heated if nothing else.  Undertaker/Angle is good, but that makes Angle a heel again, and the last thing he needs is to turn one more time.

I'd try Taker/Angle face/face.

First off, I'm a Cena fan. If they don't go goofy with the feud, it should be a success...and it's not really a midcard feud. Cena's about upper midcard, and the WWE is obviously trying to make him into the next SD! main eventer after Eddie and Steph.

 

So the obvious step to make him look good is to put him with the best worker they've got not involved in a feud. And since Eddie and Benoit are supposedly in feuds, Angle fits the bill.

 

 

But I'd rather see Taker/Angle too. Face vs face is tougher to pull off, and Taker/Angle will result in McMahon Mania for Angle...but Taker's proved he can have a good match with Angle.

[Guest JMA]

Is there any real reason for this feud?

Well, I'm guessing the intent is to put Cena over and bring him up to ME level. Or, it could just be a transitional feud until Angle has someone at his level to work with (someone not named Lesnar). Hopefully, it won't be as bad as Edge vs. Angle (is that possible?) We've also heard (from Angle himself) that an Angle/Cena tag-team is in the works. Maybe this is a feud to turn Cena face.

[Guest RollingSambos]

It's never a waste of time when people want to see it.

[Kurt Angle Mark]

Because it's a waste of everyone's time?

Speaking of a waste of time, How about that Brock/Angle feud?

 

Honestly tell me one good thing that came from it. The matches were just ok, their was no chemistry between them, neither guy came off looking any better than they did before. As an Angle fan I felt he wasted 6 months of his career.

 

I don't mind the Angle/Cena feud because if booked correctly it has a chance of being something the Brock/Angle feud never was, entertaining.

[Guest Loss]

If the performances and storyline are strong enough, it doesn't matter who wins or loses. But this feud doesn't fall into that description.

[Guest Ray]

Why the complaining about Angle doing comedy, since comedy is obviously what he can do best?

 

Why complain about Angle-Edge, since it produced some good matches?

 

 

 

Angle's child molesting promos > Angle's "serious" promos

[cabbageboy]

Angle has always been more effective as a goofy dork than when he's trying to act like a badass.

 

A waste of time feud isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's sorta like Bret Hart taking on the Patriot in between his more notable feuds with Austin, UT, and Shawn. Produced some decent matches, drew some heat, and so on.

 

That said, they have to get over this bizarre hard on they have for Brock/Angle. I mean, why would this main event TWO WMs in a row? Are they nuts? Let's see, did their first match at WM draw any money? Not really. Did the 3 way with Show? Not likely. The SS rematch? Jury is out.

 

Making it even more asinine is that they've already done an Iron Man match, so what exactly can they even do at WM?

 

SMDN has even bigger problems than Raw in terms of elevating talent. I mean, at least Raw has tried putting people in main events (they've all jobbed out to HHH of course). Over the past year or so we've seen RVD, Kane, Shawn, Steiner, Booker, Nash, Jericho, and Goldberg all hovering around the main event.

 

What's SMDN had? Brock, Kurt, and the Big Show? Maybe the occasional UT push? They desperately need to push someone else. I'd push Eddie or Cena, maybe both, to the main event.

[haVoc]

There is no reason why Eddie shouldn't have been thrown into the main event. He was red hot a few weeks back and still is hot but instead WWE throws him back in tag matches.

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If they are actually going to push Eddy, this slow gradual pushwould work well for him if they just keep at it and not drop it after a week or two. This feud Eddy has with Big Show is a good thing as Show has built up a lot of credibility being in the title hunt alot.

 

Cena should get the faster push to main event because he draws on his character's ego and take on all challengers attitude, which is keeping him in a nice near-tweener heel. The problem with this is if he doesn't back up his talk soon, he will lose a lot of the momenteum he has built up. Nudertaker should have been his first huge victory, which wouldn't almost make a Cena victory over Angle neccesary. While Angle is indestructable most of the time, when it comes to losing to someone, if they push Cena having lost to a midcarder, it would be a stupid self defeating attempt.

 

If they treat the matchs with Cena and Eddy as two rising stars taking on solid competitors and winning or at least putting in the fight of their lifes, they will have done more than they have in the last year for elevating new talent.

[RavishingRickRudo]

It's "Pound and Ground" for crying out loud! (In other words, he punches and kicks until they are down, then he continues to punch and kick... Ground and Pound actually involves a wrestling move) - It's almost as asinine as "American Strong Style".

 

Plus, it'll be fun to prove you all wrong.

 

We seriously need a point system on this board. You know, for "calling it"...

[RavishingRickRudo]

The crowd is still hot for Eddie, but they weren't as hot for him as they were, say, 4 months ago. THAT was the time to strike... but oh no, this is like Global Warming: "It needs more study".