Spicy McHaggis 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2003 Literary villains... How about Jane Austen? Oh, you meant CHARACTERS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 God, from the Holy Bible. Okay, maybe's more of an anti-hero, but that Sodom and Gomorrah thing seemed to push him into villain territory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dutchse.cx 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 Grand Admiral Thrawn - Yeah, I'm thirding or fourthing this nomination. He was terrific in that trilogy and just the THREAT of him still being alive in Spectre of the Past and Vision of the Future was enough to fuel those two books. It says a lot about just how great he really was. And agreeing with Tom on Artemis Entreri. I can't really read fantasy novels anymore for some reason though. They don't catch me like they used to. I thought Salvatore's best work with Drizzt was in the Dark Elf Trilogy, but Drizzt fighting against OR alongside Entreri was always great. Getting on to newer nominations ... <url=http://www.kongming.net/novel/kma/caocao.php>Ts'ao Ts'ao</url> from Romance of the Three Kingdoms: Fucking tricky bastard. Let's start with his assassination attempt on <url=http://www.kongming.net/novel/sgyy/dongzhuo.php>Dong Zhuo</url>. Dong Zhuo was a tyrant who usurped the power of the Han Emperor. Ts'ao Ts'ao attempted to kill Dong Zhuo while he was resting, but Dong Zhuo saw the reflection in the mirror and Ts'ao Ts'ao lied about having the sword as an offering to Dong Zhuo. While this might not seem like a bad thing, Ts'ao Ts'ao would later go on to do the same as Dong Zhuo and hold the young Emperor hostage as a puppet leader. When Dong Zhuo realized that Ts'ao Ts'ao was really planning to kill him, Ts'ao hid with some relatives along with a companion. He heard his relatives talk of "binding the legs and cutting the throat" in another room and fearing the worst he went in and slaughtered all of them. Then he noticed the bound pig on the table. He and his companion retreated and when his companion asked why he killed his family so easily, Ts'ao replied "I would rather betray the world than have the world betray me." Awesomely bastardic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SUPERHBK Report post Posted October 4, 2003 It has to be either Richard III or Iago from Otherllo! Two greatest ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BDC Report post Posted October 4, 2003 Man, Thrawn was quite simply the greatest villian ever for a few reasons. One, his conquest wasn't fueled by a lust for power. The Empire was a good system (so he thought) and he was completing the task of defeating the Rebellion, then let someone else rule the Empire for all he cared. The greatest thing about the guy is you simply could not outmanuever him. You couldn't outthink him, you couldn't outposition him. He always had you figured out. The only way he lost (both times) was basically by something that no one ever would have seen coming. He was the greatest villian ever. I hated to see him die, but I'm glad he did. Better he dies that Kevin. J. Anderson get his filthy bastard hands on such a well-thought-out character. Okay, enough Thrawn love. I have to go with some characters from the Wheel of Time series, namely Ishamael and Moridin. They remind me of Thrawn, with the exception of always toeing the line with Rand al'Thor. Getting the upper hand for either side is absurdly hard. I love Robert Jordan's stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whatitistoburn Report post Posted October 4, 2003 The House - House of Leaves Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BAR Report post Posted October 4, 2003 I've recently been reading 'Othello'. Gotta go with Iago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dutchse.cx 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 Alright, after reading Othello does it occur to anyone else that Iago could just as easily not be a character, but simply be everyone's darker thoughts speaking to them? He's a grand shit disturbed of the highest order, but apart from a few places, it really does seem like he really just acts as everyone's inner evil. Maybe it's just me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mindless_Aggression Report post Posted October 6, 2003 Well I'll take the recent route and say Kiriyama from Battle Royale. Certainly not the main villain so much, but he is their greatest threat during the actual game and he isn't even a villain so much as he just doesn't really care. No emotion, no fear, no nothing, he just decided to play for the hell of it. Good times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moral suasion 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2003 Big Brother in 1984. I won;t mention any other names. One of the best villans of all time. Another awesome Orwell villan is Napolean in Animal farm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted October 7, 2003 God, from the Holy Bible. Okay, maybe's more of an anti-hero, but that Sodom and Gomorrah thing seemed to push him into villain territory. Yeah, but that whole "dying for the sins of the world" and "love thine enemies" thing turned him face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted October 8, 2003 That was Christ yo. The SON of God. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted October 8, 2003 That was Christ yo. The SON of God. According to Christian teaching God is one present in 3 forms: The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. They're ALL the one God, just in different forms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted October 8, 2003 BTW, anyone who enjoys Sherlock Holmes, I wrote a BIGASS post on the subject and I welcome any kind of discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaertos 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2003 Brand from The Chronicles of Amber I loved the books (read six so far), and he is indeed a great character, but isn't it somewhat of a spoiler to list him as a villain? well, yeah, I guess it is, but I figured since no one ever really responded to my Chronicles Of Amber topic a while back, no one was reading it. If I spoiled it for anyone, I apologize. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2003 God, from the Holy Bible. Okay, maybe's more of an anti-hero, but that Sodom and Gomorrah thing seemed to push him into villain territory. Yeah, but that whole "dying for the sins of the world" and "love thine enemies" thing turned him face. I guess he's acts more heelish in the first half, but the authors decided to lighen up his image for New Testatament. Didn't do too bad of a job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaosrage 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2003 No one mentioned Randall Flagg yet. What's wrong with you people? He killed off the entire world. And that was just one of the books he was in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2003 God, from the Holy Bible. Okay, maybe's more of an anti-hero, but that Sodom and Gomorrah thing seemed to push him into villain territory. Yeah, but that whole "dying for the sins of the world" and "love thine enemies" thing turned him face. That whole tortured by the Romans and crucified thing really made him Ricky Morton before Ricky Morton was Ricky Morton, you know? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2003 Lloth from Salvatore's Dark Elf Trilogy Bah. Jarlaxle and Artemis Entreri were the best villains Salvatore ever wrote about. Jarlaxle. Hands down. He's a villian with the 'hero clause' (he aliways wins or at least gets his way.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2003 The Homeowner's Association from Bentley Little's "The Association" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rollerball Report post Posted October 21, 2003 The Count from Woman in White Svilargiado (sp) from Crime and Punishment Clive Barker normally puts in a despicable villian in his novels, the Razor eater from Damnation game comes to mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 Not just Breer (the Last Razor Eater), but Mammoulian (the Last European) was a pretty impressive villain as well. Dark, terriffying, and yet flawed and vulnerable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rollerball Report post Posted October 22, 2003 I prefer his completly Human villians, he normally has one in his books, they hook up with the supernatural baddie and are generally unspeakably evil and quite disgusting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caboose 0 Report post Posted October 25, 2003 Someones mentioned him already but I'd back up Dracula as a big time villain. Moriarti is a given. I dont read a lot so I'm done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandman9000 0 Report post Posted October 25, 2003 The dinosaurs (Jurassic Park). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sass 0 Report post Posted October 25, 2003 I'm a sucker for looking into the psyche of villains and seeing what makes them tick. Mr.Hyde always fascinated me for that reason. (Hence why Two-Face from Batman has always been a favorite of mine). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
