"RVD will never win the Heavyweight title, but..."

[ChrisMWaters 0]

3/5 = 60% which is a passing grade in high school.

...you guys went to lenient high schools.

 

Anything below 70 was an F where I was...

[Guest Coffey]

EDIT:

Edited October 2, 2003 by Mr. Jag0

[Guest JMA]

IMO, comparing RVD to the Ultimate Whore is just crazy. And please note that not everyone thinks he has bad mic skills. RVD's current character doesn't need to (and shouldn't) do "intense" promos. It goes against his character (that of a laid-back, go-with-the-flow stoner). I think some people just resent RVD because he isn't a great technical wrestler. Well, so what? Not every good wrestler has to have great technical ability. It's a big plus, no doubt, but not a requirement. RVD has the "it" factor that allows him to stay over NO MATTER WHAT. That factor should be nurtured, not surpressed like it is now.

 

For what it's worth, I don't think RVD is sloppy. I just find that most workers can't keep up with the man. He's certainly a GREAT athlete who works hard to achieve his goals. And he actually cares about wrestling and his fans (unlike some OTHER worker who shall remain nameless).

[Guest Coffey]

RVD does have bad mic skills. That is fact. If people don't agree, it's because they are in denial.

 

Some people don't think that the Holocaust happened either, that doesn't mean it's not true.

 

Also, most people don't resent him because he's lacking in the technical wrestling department. They resent him because he lacks in the wrestling department. Period. His offense is slop. A bunch of flips and shitty looking kicks. His transition forearms are awful, more than half his spots are awful, and he exposes the business if every match that he has. Add his shitty selling on top of that.

 

The WWE has never marketed RVD as a fucking stoner either. The only people that catch the references are former ECW fans (as in they watched Rob in ECW when he had the gimmick recognized). Whether people want to admit it or not, the WWE still markets toward children. Having a fucking dazed, baked out of his head moron at the top of the company wouldn't be a good thing.

 

RVD is something different. That is why he is over. He has a good finisher, and he's not Triple H. Rikishi was insanely over at one time too. So was Triple H. Remember his comeback?

 

RVD is very sloppy. The sloppiest on both rosters I would say, and that's including all the cruiserweights. When he's not sloppy, he's either stiff or misses completely which makes it look worse.

 

There is a big difference from a great athlete and a flexible athlete.

 

I can't say that RVD doesn't care about the fans, but I could argue his desire towards the business. How else can you explain his "pouting" and being unmotivated due to not being pushed? He himself thinks that he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and that's probably one of the things holding him back.

 

Besides, what's wrong with working in the wrestling business and treating it like a job? It just means that politics and egos shouldn't come up as often.

[cabbageboy 0]

I never want to hear this "RVD has no mic skills" argument again. For the final time, I will say the following: RVD was quite good and at times great on the mic in ECW. The WWE has no clue as to what his character is about, merely focusing on the stoned out surfer aspect. They haven't focused at all on RVD's ultra cocky smugness, his "You can't beat me" attitude, etc. At times they've hinted at RVD making amusing asides at a tag partner (like his comment on all the various stuff he would do to an opponent, while Kane would just do the chokeslam).

 

I have reasonable demands. All I would like to see is RVD get a world title win at some point. He could job it back at the next PPV, but at least he will have won it. It's quite honestly insulting that he hasn't won a world title, either in ECW or the WWF.

 

Don't they realize the sort of awesome moment they have waiting there?

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Um...Bret Hart, IMO, wasn't that great in the last two departments...

 

And his first reign, the 2nd one wasn't really their either.

 

Bret Hart was extremely charismatic, more so than any other WWF Champ of the mid-90s. Only Kevin Nash was really in the same league there. His mic skills weren't great until the Hart Foundation era in 97, but they were adequate.

 

As for cred, he 'retired' legend Roddy Piper in a great match at Wrestlemania, spent the summer main-eventing house shows with Shawn Michaels or in tags with Savage against Flair & Shawn, and main evented the biggest Summerslam of all time in the MOTY. People accepted him as champ almost immediately, and those that didn't did after convincing victories over Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair & Razor Ramon.

[Guest Coffey]

See, denial.

"I never want to hear the arguement again, because when he was in bush league ECW with a manager and taped promo's, he was mediocre...."

[Guest JMA]

RVD does have bad mic skills. That is fact. If people don't agree, it's because they are in denial.

It's an opinion, not a fact. I think you're the one who's in denial, friend.

 

Some people don't think that the Holocaust happened either, that doesn't mean it's not true.

...Okay. I'm not even going to comment on that.

 

Also, most people don't resent him because he's lacking in the technical wrestling department. They resent him because he lacks in the wrestling department. Period. His offense is slop. A bunch of flips and shitty looking kicks. His transition forearms are awful, more than half his spots are awful, and he exposes the business if every match that he has. Add his shitty selling on top of that.

Again, I have to disagree. I believe many people DO resent RVD for not being a technical wrestler. They just use excuses like "he can't talk!" or "he misses all his spots!" His kicks are not shitty looking, IMO. I believe the people who have taken them would agree. And I suppose that when he does sell he's "really hurt" too?

 

Notice I didn't state any of these OPINIONS as facts.

[Guest JMA]

Isn't that just spin? In my OPINION, most of the RVD haters want a certain type of worker in the main event.

 

"YEAH! GOOD WRESTLERS LOL!!!!111"

 

There. Now no braying jackass can spout that crap.

[humongous2002 0]

See, denial.

"I never want to hear the arguement again, because when he was in bush league ECW with a manager and taped promo's, he was mediocre...."

Not for nothing but you lost all your credibility after you said that Val Venis is your ideal world champion.

[Guest Coffey]

Sean Morley can work, talk, has a good look and has paid his dues.

[KTID 0]

Maybe so...BUT HE'S STILL SEAN MORLEY!!!

[NYU 0]

Sean Morley can work, talk, has a good look and has paid his dues.

*sigh* Fine. Give me the last good match that Sean Morley has worked. Come on. To be the World Heavyweight Champion, you have to have some good matches. I can name some good RVD ones, even if people deny. Give me a title-caliber match he has had.

 

Talking ? Eh, opinion. I think he has shit mic skills, and they're certainly no better than the average WWE wrestler.

 

Good look? Fine. But you need more than a good look to be a champion. Nathan Jones had a good look, but we would never put the title on him, would we ?

 

Paid his dues? That doesn't matter to me, as a fan, when I think of who would make a good champion.

[2GOLD 0]

I'd rather see Triple H with the title over Sean Morley.

Maybe I'm confused but when did good heel mic skills mean I want them to just shut up cause they are boring?

 

And if RVD sucks on the mic then that is also the fault of the WWE. If you want to make someone who does have obvious charisma good on the mic then you WORK with him on it.

 

Also, those who watched ECW live know Robbie did a few damn good promos live without a manager. Someone already said it but it needs to be repeated, RVD's character is a laid back stoner. When is the last time ANYONE has seen an intense stoner?

 

You want good RVD promos? Turn him heel and let him loose.

[Damaramu 0]

Turn RVD heel? It'd never happen because HE IS SO OVER NO MATTER WHAT........

which is what all the people clamoring AGAINST RVD fail to notice. Seriously I've read all of the excuses for RVD to not be world champ and there bullshit plain and simple. You guys are really grasping at straws and to not see the POV of why RVD deserves to be the champ means you are either

a) a complete dumbass

b) just saying this because you want to disagree and don't actually believe it but your one of those retards that hates anything popular just because a bunch of people like it.

[Guest MikeSC]

Turn RVD heel? It'd never happen because HE IS SO OVER NO MATTER WHAT........

which is what all the people clamoring AGAINST RVD fail to notice. Seriously I've read all of the excuses for RVD to not be world champ and there bullshit plain and simple. You guys are really grasping at straws and to not see the POV of why RVD deserves to be the champ means you are either

a) a complete dumbass

b) just saying this because you want to disagree and don't actually believe it but your one of those retards that hates anything popular just because a bunch of people like it.

You seem to ignore that, like Hogan, Rob might draw pops (and that's iffy) --- but he does not put butts in the seats, nor does he draw viewers to the TV screen.

-=Mike

[2GOLD 0]

Who on RAW does put butts in seats?

 

What is the harm of trying him out? If he fails then he's just like every RAW world champion lately.

[Damaramu 0]

Exactly. He's over despite no push and thus may draw. Unlike Hogan as you seem to ignore he has not been put in the position to be the main draw and to put asses in seats. Therefore your argument is again BS.

When(and if) he is put in that position and(if) he fails then I will say you are right. Until then you are assuming he's going to fail.

Oh and who on RAW does draw? Nobody? And the people they've put in the position to draw are either barely over or not over at all. Yet RVD is super over. So why not give him a chance to run with the ball?

You're really grasping here....

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Who on RAW does put butts in seats?

Kane used too, but he wasn't HHH so the McMahon's had to put an end to that.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Who on RAW does put butts in seats?

Kane used too, but he wasn't HHH so the McMahon's had to put an end to that.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

HHH left the cupboard bare.

 

They're forced to make guys that he made look like shit into the main attraction...

 

until he gets back...then we'll see how they fare.

[KTID 0]

I still can't get over...SEAN F'N MORLEY?!

[SamoaRowe 0]

I can't believe this thread is still going on.

[KTID 0]

It'll go on until we all say "RVD RULEZ!!!1".

[cabbageboy 0]

Let's see, in ECW I recall RVD cutting some of his wild anti ECW/pro WWF promos (such as the one at Barely Legal). And that promo especially was DAMN good. Bill Alfonso had little to do with that promo.

 

Besides, WWE also tapes a bunch of backstage promos and skits so that argument makes no sense.

 

I'm not in denial over this....I SAW THE STUFF. Let RVD be a cocky overbearing heel, give him a manager, maybe a lacky or two. He'd be great.

[KTID 0]

AND HE RULEZ!!!1 Come on, say it with me now...

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

RVD BLOWZ!!!1

[SamoaRowe 0]

RVD had me won over as a mark well after I grew out of being a mark (in 2001). It doesn't look like I'm the only one. Anyone who has followed RVD's career before he entered WWE has tremendous faith in him (I've seen a lot of ECW since it went under) and I KNOW he has what it takes to be a main eventer. It's not a question to me, I KNOW he can do it given the ball.

 

 

Also, rent the 2000 Fully Loaded. It's immortal proof that Chris Benoit could be "the man" given the chance as well.

[Styles 0]

I know I'm late on the discussion but I want to get back to the original question. I went to watch the match again before Smackdown comes on, and you're absolutely right. Right at the end of RVD's entrance as he's in the ring facing Christian doing his finger point JR says: "RVD will never be world champion, but...the intercontinental title is still prestigious." Way to put over the talent Jim. Go back and watch it, he indeed says that.

[NYU 0]

Well, no. He doesn't say anything like that until RVD and Christian are face-to-face and RVD does his thumb-point thing. Then, JR goes "I still say RVD is the greatest athlete to have never won the World Heavyweight Title. But the Intercontinental Title. So prestigious."

 

Hey, I'm no JR fan at all, but let's hate him for the stuff he ACTUALLY says. He's been giving RVD verbal blowjobs lately, surprisingly, so I wouldn't bash him on it.