kkktookmybabyaway Posted October 1, 2003 Report Posted October 1, 2003 Frankly, I could care less about this story. I just found it funny considering the name of the high school. The band director could just say he wanted to re-enact WWII and have the Nazi flag run all over Paris again (high school, that is). Of course, the bigger question is who in their right mind would pull this kind of stunt in Texas of all places and be shocked at the reaction this performance caused?... http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/na...ation-headlines Texas Band Chief Apologizes for Nazi Flag DALLAS -- A high school band director has apologized for a halftime performance that included "Deutschland Uber Alles," the anthem closely associated with Adolf Hitler, and a student running across the field with a Nazi flag. Charles Grissom, Paris High School's band director, said his intention was to have a historical performance featuring the flags and music of the nations that fought during World War II. The show, titled "Visions of World War II," nearly caused a melee at Friday night's football game at Dallas' Hillcrest High School. "We were booed," Grissom said Monday. "We had things thrown at us. We were cursed." Paris' assistant coaches were even targeted as they made their way through the bleachers to a press box after halftime. "The assistant coaches ... got blasted, cursed," said Brent Southworth, Paris' head football coach. Grissom said he never intended to offend anyone, and he apologized repeatedly. "We had an error in judgment," Grissom told The Dallas Morning News in an interview published Tuesday. "Our intent was never to cause any harm." The show was performed in Paris, about 100 miles northeast of Dallas, a week earlier after the homecoming game against Athens. The band, which began working on the show in August, planned to perform it at the University Interscholastic League contest Oct. 15. The show also includes the flags and music of France, Britain, Japan and the United States. The flags were raised in intervals that corresponded with the music of the nations. An announcement over loudspeakers before the performance explained the school was trying to do a "historical, accurate depiction of the event." Mark Briskman, regional director for the Anti-Defamation League, said his organization received many calls and e-mails expressing shock "that in 2003, this type of insensitivity would occur." "This can serve as an educational tool that there are certain tools and certain symbols that still carry ... an amount of hurt," Briskman said. "It was a mistake, and they've apologized for it, and we basically accept their apology."
Hogan Made Wrestling Posted October 1, 2003 Report Posted October 1, 2003 That's a pretty funny coincidence. As for the event itself, while I can appreciate what they were trying to do, there are some things that simply shouldn't be paraded around regardless of the context.
Guest El Satanico Posted October 1, 2003 Report Posted October 1, 2003 What is this...a redneck version of The Producers?
MrRant Posted October 1, 2003 Report Posted October 1, 2003 Huh... didn't know that many Jews lived in Texas.
Guest Cerebus Posted October 1, 2003 Report Posted October 1, 2003 I see because only Jews are offended by the Nazi flag. (For the record there are 140,000 Jews in Texas)
Guest El Satanico Posted October 1, 2003 Report Posted October 1, 2003 Well yes...why would others be upset about a nazi flag...they only hate jews.
The Metal Maniac Posted October 1, 2003 Report Posted October 1, 2003 But...didn't the Nazi's essentially hate everyone who wasn't a perfect blonde-haired, blue-eyed member of the Aryan race? And didn't they just START with Jews? And weren't there a lot of dead Gypsies too?
Firestarter Posted October 1, 2003 Report Posted October 1, 2003 Yes, and cripples, Christians (especially the Confessional Church, Jehovah's Witnesses, and uncooperative clerics in general), homosexuals, mulattos, Poles, other Slavs, anyone with mental or physical genetic defects, and any "perfect blonde-haired, blue-eyed members of the Aryan race" who refused to divorce their Jewish husbands or wives.
Guest MD2020 Posted October 1, 2003 Report Posted October 1, 2003 Bonus item about this story: It was during Yom Kippur. You'd think someone would look at a calander and go "Hmmmm. Jewish holiday...great time for a Nazi flag!!"
Guest El Satanico Posted October 1, 2003 Report Posted October 1, 2003 But it was the master race...YOU WILL RESPECT THE MASTER RACE! um...HHH is an aryan...give him your attention...there's nothing to see here Complete hatred that doesn't discriminate...I can relate with that. However, then there's that whole business about wanting to kill entire races...I can't relate with that.
MrRant Posted October 1, 2003 Report Posted October 1, 2003 I see because only Jews are offended by the Nazi flag. (For the record there are 140,000 Jews in Texas) Apparently sarcasm is lost on you with out a smiley of some type.
Firestarter Posted October 1, 2003 Report Posted October 1, 2003 I see because only Jews are offended by the Nazi flag. (For the record there are 140,000 Jews in Texas) Apparently sarcasm is lost on you with out a smiley of some type. The sarcasm was lost on me as well. You've made other posts in the past complaining about Jews being "oversensitive" to inappropriate reminders of the Holocaust, so maybe adding a smiley of some type would help.
Jingus Posted October 1, 2003 Report Posted October 1, 2003 a student running across the field with a Nazi flag. Ya know, if your halftime show could ever be described with the words "and then the Nazi flag was presented on the field", you deserve whatever you get. The show also includes the flags and music of France, Britain, Japan and the United States. Where were the flags for Italy, Russia, China, and all the other nations that participated in WWII on a major scale? The flags were raised in intervals that corresponded with the music of the nations. An announcement over loudspeakers before the performance explained the school was trying to do a "historical, accurate depiction of the event." How is simply displaying some flags and playing some music considered a "historical, accurate depiction" of a World War which spanned the entire globe, killed over fifty million people, and took almost a decade to finish?
Guest MikeSC Posted October 2, 2003 Report Posted October 2, 2003 a student running across the field with a Nazi flag. Ya know, if your halftime show could ever be described with the words "and then the Nazi flag was presented on the field", you deserve whatever you get. The show also includes the flags and music of France, Britain, Japan and the United States. Where were the flags for Italy, Russia, China, and all the other nations that participated in WWII on a major scale? The flags were raised in intervals that corresponded with the music of the nations. An announcement over loudspeakers before the performance explained the school was trying to do a "historical, accurate depiction of the event." How is simply displaying some flags and playing some music considered a "historical, accurate depiction" of a World War which spanned the entire globe, killed over fifty million people, and took almost a decade to finish? Of course, the OBVIOUS question is: When the Nazi flag came out, did the person holding the French flag surrender and goose-step next to him? -=Mike --- Who wonders why the kids didn't ask WTF was up with this?
MrRant Posted October 2, 2003 Report Posted October 2, 2003 I would wonder also where they got the Nazi flag.
Guest MikeSC Posted October 2, 2003 Report Posted October 2, 2003 I would wonder also where they got the Nazi flag. Let's just say that at that school, you should avoid any "mystery meat" type dishes. -=Mike
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted October 2, 2003 Report Posted October 2, 2003 I would wonder also where they got the Nazi flag. Let's just say that at that school, you should avoid any "mystery meat" type dishes. -=Mike Mike, that's just awful.
Guest MikeSC Posted October 2, 2003 Report Posted October 2, 2003 I would wonder also where they got the Nazi flag. Let's just say that at that school, you should avoid any "mystery meat" type dishes. -=Mike Mike, that's just awful. Nah. If I said that you shouldn't ask why the school flag looks weird, then THAT would be awful. -=Mike
Firestarter Posted October 2, 2003 Report Posted October 2, 2003 I would wonder also where they got the Nazi flag. Let's just say that at that school, you should avoid any "mystery meat" type dishes. -=Mike Mike, that's just awful. Nah. If I said that you shouldn't ask why the school flag looks weird, then THAT would be awful. -=Mike ... I don't get it. Am I just being really slow tonight?
Guest MikeSC Posted October 2, 2003 Report Posted October 2, 2003 I would wonder also where they got the Nazi flag. Let's just say that at that school, you should avoid any "mystery meat" type dishes. -=Mike Mike, that's just awful. Nah. If I said that you shouldn't ask why the school flag looks weird, then THAT would be awful. -=Mike ... I don't get it. Am I just being really slow tonight? Nazis would skin Jews and use their skin for lampshades and various other things. -=Mike --- sick, but true
Firestarter Posted October 2, 2003 Report Posted October 2, 2003 (edited) Oh yeah. Hmm. I read a while ago in a book by Michael Shermer (Why People Believe Weird Things) that the story about soap made from human fat wasn't really true - and the author is very far from a Holocaust denier or revisionist; in fact, he's debated them several times on television to refute their claims, and he doesn't share any of their beliefs or conclusions regarding the extent of the Nazi crimes - over 6 million dead &c, all the generally accepted facts, he has no problem with. Just a few things which he says are myths (and he has some fairly convincing documentation to support his conclusions). I don't know if this skin-lampshade thing is another such case, but it does sound like it. EDIT: Here's a link to an open letter Dr Shermer wrote to Holocaust revisionists. Edited October 2, 2003 by Cancer Marney
Guest JMA Posted October 2, 2003 Report Posted October 2, 2003 Of course, the OBVIOUS question is: When the Nazi flag came out, did the person holding the French flag surrender and goose-step next to him? -=Mike --- Who wonders why the kids didn't ask WTF was up with this? Always gotta work a jab in at the French, don't ya? Feeling inadequate? Anyway, the school is named "Paris." I think that's worth mentioning again. But enough of that. Historically accurate or not, the Swastika has NO place in this type of demonstration. That's just opening a can of worms and turning it upside down...
Guest fk teale Posted October 2, 2003 Report Posted October 2, 2003 Did you know that "Pariser" is a German term for condom? When in Deutschland you are concerned about dropping homunculi where none should be dropped, you think of the French. And you will cold wilt away. Not that one can blame them I suppose; if one were to scour the universe for a perfect antithesis to male virility, one would probably return sooner or later to the banks of the Seine. Also: more than anyone probably wanted to know about the "human skin lampshade" conundrum.
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted October 2, 2003 Report Posted October 2, 2003 The more times I hear about this story, the less I think it was an accident. It was on Yom Kippur, and it was down south.
Guest MikeSC Posted October 2, 2003 Report Posted October 2, 2003 The more times I hear about this story, the less I think it was an accident. It was on Yom Kippur, and it was down south. Of course. Southerners, obviously, have no problem with Nazism, right? -=Mike
Ripper Posted October 2, 2003 Report Posted October 2, 2003 Right. They're for anyone against RACE MIXIN... *points out that I am from the south and the above comment is SARCASM before I get flamed*
Styles Posted October 2, 2003 Report Posted October 2, 2003 Actually it was during Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur is next week. Same difference though.
Guest deadbeater Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 (edited) Um didn't Tchaiskovsky use the French national anthem as a motif for his '1812 Overture'? That piece was in salute to Prussia's beating back Napoleon, setting up for Waterloo three years later. The bandman made a mistake of playing the whole German national anthem instead of using a snippet for a proposed 'WW2 Overture'. Then he should have used the flags to signify crucial battles like Dunkirk, Moscow, the fall and the liberation of France, D-DAy, the fall of Berlin, Pearl Harbor, Iwo Jima, Midway, The Phillipines, and the massive bombing of Tokyo, then one each to Hirohima and Nagasaki. That is how to be creative. Edited October 5, 2003 by deadbeater
Guest MikeSC Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 Um didn't Tchaiskovsky use the French national anthem as a motif for his '1812 Overture'? That piece was in salute to Prussia's beating back Napoleon, setting up for Waterloo three years later. The bandman made a mistake of playing the whole German national anthem instead of using a snippet for a proposed 'WW2 Overture'. Then he should have used the flags to signify crucial battles like Dunkirk, Moscow, the fall and the liberation of France, D-DAy, the fall of Berlin, Pearl Harbor, Iwo Jima, Midway, The Phillipines, and the massive bombing of Tokyo, then one each to Hirohima and Nagasaki. That is how to be creative. At the risk of sounding rude, what, precisely, is your point? You're like a walking stereotype of the intensely self-interested leftist. I can't tell if you're serious or kidding. -=Mike
Jobber of the Week Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 DALLAS -- A high school band director has apologized for a halftime performance that included "Deutschland Uber Alles," the anthem closely associated with Adolf Hitler, and a student running across the field with a Nazi flag. OH NO ALL THIS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
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