WWE's saddest sight

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Shane McMahon "buys" WcW.

[Guest THE MIGHTY THOR]

The Nature Boy bowing to both HHH AND Orton.

This is the saddest thing because none of them can't even carry Flairs jockstarp, Flair is like the Zeus of pro-wrestling.And Shane-O doing a poor man's Vanterminator.

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Al Wilson - Was there really a point to this? And why would they have Torrie's father die in storyline terms? It's just lame.

Oh God, I'd forgotten about Al Wilson. You bastard. You absolute bastard. Others are sadder and mroe pathetic, but in terms of sheer mind-numbing boredom and pointlessness that has to take it. Why did you have to bring that up?

 

And WHY is Dawn Marie, the woman who killed Al Wilson, now siding with Torrie in an effort to get rid of Shaniqua? they brawled at his FUCKING FUNERAL, for crying out loud...

I already mentioned "any angles involving Torrie." I loathe the bitch.

 

Okay, except for Torrie being Tajiri's geisha love-slave and servant. No wait, that was stupid too because she rebels by...taking off her clothes. Yeah.

 

Okay, maybe except for managing Mr. A--

 

Managing Kid...

 

Fuck, has this bitch every been involved in any angles that didn't suck?

 

Maybe in WC--(remembers Viagra on a Pole, mocking her bulemia).

 

Okay, I give up. I dare anyone to find a Torrie angle that wasn't a sad, pathetic waste of time.

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The only truly "sad" moment that I've ever seen, which truly shocked me and SICKENED me, was the night that Vince McMahon's face was the first thing shown on the final Nitro.

 

The entire show was sad, with WWE's being on it.

 

It made me want to vomit.

[Guest TheArchiteck]

The only truly "sad" moment that I've ever seen, which truly shocked me and SICKENED me, was the night that Vince McMahon's face was the first thing shown on the final Nitro.

 

The entire show was sad, with WWE's being on it.

 

It made me want to vomit.

I have to cosign that statement.

 

That was the last face I wanted to see on Nitro.

[Guest Stunt Granny]

The worst was at the end of the last Nitro. Sting and Flair embrace after closing the book the very feud that defined WCW's good qualities. There was no better way to close out WCW than with those two.

 

And before they have a chance to even say good-bye we cut to Vince in Cleveland cuz he's ready to jack-off in the ring. The man is so going to hell.

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1) Survivor Series '97

2) Over The Edge

3) Last ever Monday Nitro

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I'm still blown away that Vince signed Goldberg before Sting. Sting is getting into the Senior Citizen league kinda quick, but Goldberg represents a REALLY BAD ERA. The first Sting/Hogan match was the point where everything started going wrong.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

It's not the worst but it always bugged me the most. During the Flair/Taker match at 18, Flair ducks something I believe and Taker runs perfectly right into the AA spinebuster. Crowd goes nuts, Arn even looked like he was about to shit himself from pure joy and then Taker proceded to kick out, beat the fuck out of the friggin Horseman and finish Flair clean. Not the worst but always one of those moments that made me wish I hadn't seen it.

Actually, I loved seeing the spinebuster get no sold. It made Taker look like an absolute badass. I mean, it isn't as if WCW hadn't already raped the 4 Horsemen to the absolute limit, anyway. Taker was simply doing then and there what we wanted to see every NWA Babyface of the 80's do: No sell 4 Horsemen interference and destroy Flair.

 

Kinda ironic it happened in the WWE with a face Flair though.

 

 

 

Boss Man killing Pepper - This angle was just uncalled for. It was disgusting and made solely for shock value. It has really tarnished Ray Traylor's legacy, IMO. It also led to the idiotic Kennel in a Cell match.

 

 

Ray Traylor's legacy?

 

 

Oh and that angle was funny as HELL. It wasn't done for shock value (it was a midcard angle, you dolt), it was done because it allowed Bossman to have YET ANOTHER amazingly funny feud.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

1) Survivor Series '97

2) Over The Edge

3) Last ever Monday Nitro

1.) It was pretty sad that Vince had to do all that over a WORKED TITLE. Bobby Heenan was dead one when he said Bret Hart needed to grow up.

 

 

2.) I don't know. The PPV wasn't that great, but the Austin/Dude Love match kinda made up for it.

 

 

3.) Eh, you reap what you sow, children. You reap what you sow.

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I think he was talking about the Owen Hart incident man.

 

If you were kidding, then apologies, but I'm being sure.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I think he was talking about the Owen Hart incident man.

 

If you were kidding, then apologies, but I'm being sure.

Then he should have said Over the Edge '99. Man, why can't you people be specific?

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You were joking weren't you?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

You were joking weren't you?

What do you think, Einstein?

[Guest Anglesault]

Ric Fucking Flair bowing to Suckbag Orton last night as they came out.

[Guest JMA]

Ray Traylor's legacy?

 

 

Oh and that angle was funny as HELL. It wasn't done for shock value (it was a midcard angle, you dolt), it was done because it allowed Bossman to have YET ANOTHER amazingly funny feud.

It was unintentionally funny, though. The "it's so bad it's good" type of mentality. If we go by that mindset, Katie Vick was also a funny angle. And I disagree about it not being done for shock value. Almost all of the Boss Man's angles in the Attitude era were about shock value. Whether he was stealing corpses, killing dogs, or being hung. And it DID tarnish his legacy. It would tarnish ANY wrestler's legacy to be in those angles. WrestleCrap-esque angles are not desirable.

 

And for good reason. A bad angle will always stay with a wrestler.

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I'm still blown away that Vince signed Goldberg before Sting. Sting is getting into the Senior Citizen league kinda quick, but Goldberg represents a REALLY BAD ERA. The first Sting/Hogan match was the point where everything started going wrong.

Goldberg represented a climax in WCW. One of the most over guys in the HISTORY of Pro. Wrestling finally got the world title July 6th, 1998. The ratings durring his reign for the RAW/Nitro war went back and forth every few weeks. The WCW product as a whole had began, and had been for a while, declining while WWF was improving. The strength that WCW had, was weakening, but that was because of the overall product, and the failure to pay off the nWo.

 

The fans loved Goldberg, there is no way that anyone can deny that.

 

The moment that WCW started going wrong, was the night at Starcade 1998. The very MOMENT that Kevin Nash pinned WCW's so-called "golden boy", was the moment that WCW died. It was one of the most pointless things in the history of WCW, and it had the biggest effect. After Kevin Nash won the title, the ratings started a serious slide, and they NEVER improved.

 

Not only that, but having Nash just GIVE the title to Hulk Hogan shortly after didn't help at all. After building up Goldberg for so long, after WCW finally found something the fans cared about once again, they had Nash beat him with a flawed cheating victory, which meant nothing. After Nash FINALLY beat him, just handing the belt to Hogan was very sad.

 

Had WCW allowed Goldberg to truly continue being the champion for a while, and promote some sort of huge Benoit/Goldberg (after proper promotion obviously) or a Bret/Goldberg match in which Goldberg lost, I firmly believe that WCW would still be alive today.

 

So there.

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The Final Nitro Simulcast.

[Guest JMA]

The fans loved Goldberg, there is no way that anyone can deny that.

You're right. The fans did love him. But to be fair, they were kind of being manipulated with the piped in "Goldberg" chants. Then there was his wrestling ability (or lack thereof). Not to mention his ego and opinion of pro wrestling in general. Call me old-fashioned, but people who have no respect for the wrestling business should not be getting World titles.

 

I do agree that Nash beating him and surrendering the title to Hogan was crap, though.

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The fans loved Goldberg, there is no way that anyone can deny that.

You're right. The fans did love him. But to be fair, they were kind of being manipulated with the piped in "Goldberg" chants. Then there was his wrestling ability (or lack thereof). Not to mention his ego and opinion of pro wrestling in general. Call me old-fashioned, but people who have no respect for the wrestling business should not be getting World titles.

 

I do agree that Nash beating him and surrendering the title to Hogan was crap, though.

First off, I could give two shits and a pissed when it comes to what the "boys" opinion on anything is at all. If they can get in the ring and entertain me in SOME way, I'm cool with them.

 

I'm willing to bet that there are quite a few guys who you'd instantly HATE if you cared what they thought about certain things, and if they let them known. As for Goldberg, I don't care what he thinks. All I know is that while he was in WCW, and to a MUCH lesser (but it's growing) extent in WWE, he entertains me.

 

I was at quite a few shows which had Goldberg on the card from the night he won the title to the night that Nash "gave" the title to Hogan, and every single time I was there, the fans were just simply going APE SHIT over the guy. I've never seen anything like it, it was unreal every single time.

 

I don't care why they were into him, but they were. The fans just CRAVED to see the guy, and when they did they were hooked from begining to end.

 

Like him or not, but Goldberg could have kept WCW in business, as long as they allowed other workers to be up there with him. It's too bad Nash had to have a power trip and to take the title from Goldberg. I'd love to have seen what would've happened had Nash never beat Goldberg, and guys like Bret and Benoit were able to be in there with him, instead of Nash.

[Guest Redhawk]

The fans did love him. But to be fair, they were kind of being manipulated with the piped in "Goldberg" chants. Then there was his wrestling ability (or lack thereof).

 

Wrestling ability? The fans don't give a rat's fat ass about wrestling ability. Tell me, who is the most popular wrestler ever in the history of wrestling?

 

Hulk Hogan. So there ya go.

 

And as far as the crowd being manipulated with chants, they didn't have to chant along. And there was manipulation with Hogan too: He never lost, and who is gonna boo a guy with "Real American" as his theme song?

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And there was manipulation with Hogan too: He never lost, and who is gonna boo a guy with "Real American" as his theme song?

I don't know, but it sure wont be THIS guy...

 

 

....oh yeah!

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Ray Traylor's legacy?

 

 

Oh and that angle was funny as HELL. It wasn't done for shock value (it was a midcard angle, you dolt), it was done because it allowed Bossman to have YET ANOTHER amazingly funny feud.

It was unintentionally funny, though. The "it's so bad it's good" type of mentality. If we go by that mindset, Katie Vick was also a funny angle. And I disagree about it not being done for shock value. Almost all of the Boss Man's angles in the Attitude era were about shock value. Whether he was stealing corpses, killing dogs, or being hung. And it DID tarnish his legacy. It would tarnish ANY wrestler's legacy to be in those angles. WrestleCrap-esque angles are not desirable.

 

And for good reason. A bad angle will always stay with a wrestler.

Necrophilia with a human corpse and the off-screen killing of a dog are two very different things. But in the context of the show: the angle worked. It was funny as hell (yes in the so bad it's good way)

 

Katie Vick wasn't funny that way because:

 

A.) It was Main Event

 

B.) It was BORING

 

Bossman is NEVER boring. That shit was brilliant.

 

Pisu, where was the shock value? The dog was killed OFF CAMERA.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Oh, and the Bossman's angles in the Attitude era if anything ENHANCE his legacy as the Ed Wood of professional wrestling. You just don't get it, man. There comes a point where it becomes so outragous that you can't take it seriously THAT'S what this was. It wasn't relaistic it was never presented as such. It wasn't about "shock value" it was about CAMP value.

[Guest Sakura]

Well, the necrophilia with a human corpse was off screen too. It may not have even happened, it was just Crips saying it did.

 

That angle's "shock value" is exgarated. How could be honestly be "shocked" and "offended" by it? Kane didn't actually do anything! Crips just accused him of it, and it came off like he was just trying to be an ass.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Well, the necrophilia with a human corpse was off screen too.

No I SAW HHH dry humping a dummy. That was ON CAMERA.

 

The human corpse thing refers to Sunshine here comparing the cooking of Pepper (which was darkly comedic) to Katie Vick (which was just embarrassing)

[Tawren 0]

And there was manipulation with Hogan too: He never lost, and who is gonna boo a guy with "Real American" as his theme song?

Um, I don't know, maybe everyone not from America. Ya know, all 5+ billion of us.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Yeah, well JMA here is exaggerating the "shock value" of Bossman/Snow. It was done for a laugh there was no shock value there.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

And there was manipulation with Hogan too: He never lost, and who is gonna boo a guy with "Real American" as his theme song?

Um, I don't know, maybe everyone not from America. Ya know, all 5+ billion of us.

Yeah, when the WWF/WWE comes to you guys more then twice a year (except you people in Canada who cheer Hogan ANYWAY) maybe someone will give a damn what you think.

 

Oh and there aren't 1 Billion people in the United States, there's only 365 Million or so.

[Tawren 0]

And there was manipulation with Hogan too: He never lost, and who is gonna boo a guy with "Real American" as his theme song?

Um, I don't know, maybe everyone not from America. Ya know, all 5+ billion of us.

Yeah, when the WWF/WWE comes to you guys more then twice a year (except you people in Canada who cheer Hogan ANYWAY) maybe someone will give a damn what you think.

 

Oh and there aren't 1 Billion people in the United States, there's only 365 Million or so.

That's why I said 5+, not 5.