The one and only California recall thread

[Jobber of the Week 0]

3. The Democrats really doesn't have anyone to hold a candle to Arnold, especially if a new recall suffers a huge backlash from your average Californian.

You do realize that a recall requires voter signatures, do you not?

 

You do realize that although Davis narrowly defeated Simon, the people who voted for Simon did not appear in droves for this recall initially, do you not?

 

You do realize that this recall was not front page news until a millionaire dumped money into it like mad, do you not?

 

Money, backing, and voter dissatisfaction on this recall (trust me, a lot of people voted for the recall but were not nuts with the idea of having one) casts a large shadow of doubt on having another.

[NoCalMike 0]

I also feel that Arnold won because the general population really felt they were getting an idepedent thinking mind in him, which I really disagree with.

Maybe, maybe not, but I do hope this gives the pro-choice, pro-gay rights people in the party the "I told ya so" that they need to break the fundies' power grip on the party.

 

I know as a Democrat that's a bad thing since it makes Republicans more electable, but at the same time if it keeps fundies' candidates from running, it means they don't risk winning and fucking us up even more.

I dunno. Most supporters of Arnold on the conservative side had said assinine things such as, "social issues, don't matter in this election" so it will be interesting to see what happens the first time one comes up where Arnold is supposedly against the majority of his party.

[NoCalMike 0]

3. The Democrats really doesn't have anyone to hold a candle to Arnold, especially if a new recall suffers a huge backlash from your average Californian.

You do realize that a recall requires voter signatures, do you not?

 

You do realize that although Davis narrowly defeated Simon, the people who voted for Simon did not appear in droves for this recall initially, do you not?

 

You do realize that this recall was not front page news until a millionaire dumped money into it like mad, do you not?

 

Money, backing, and voter dissatisfaction on this recall (trust me, a lot of people voted for the recall but were not nuts with the idea of having one) casts a large shadow of doubt on having another.

Actually, the sigs on the recall petition don't have to be people that have ever voted or even registered to vote. That is a shame.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Prop 54 is defeated.

thank goodness.

thats good

[NoCalMike 0]

Cruz Bustamante speaking on the end of prop 54 on MSNBC right now.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Bustamante's speech is so stupid that Chris Matthews laughed until he had a bellycramp or something it looked like.

[Guest Cerebus]

3. The Democrats really doesn't have anyone to hold a candle to Arnold, especially if a new recall suffers a huge backlash from your average Californian.

You do realize that a recall requires voter signatures, do you not?

 

You do realize that although Davis narrowly defeated Simon, the people who voted for Simon did not appear in droves for this recall initially, do you not?

 

You do realize that this recall was not front page news until a millionaire dumped money into it like mad, do you not?

 

What does all that crap have to do with not having a viable Democratic canidate able to go against Schwarzenegger? And for the record, I did recognize that the recall requires voter signatures which is why I put this:

 

1. Since the amount of voters in this election were much higher than the one in 2002, the Democrats will need more signatures to get a recall going. This means more time and more money.

 

And you mention :

 

Money, backing, and voter dissatisfaction on this recall (trust me, a lot of people voted for the recall but were not nuts with the idea of having one) casts a large shadow of doubt on having another.

 

which is why i wrote this:

2. Most Californians hate the recall provision despite the fact that they were voting in it. The fact of the matter is, voters hate the idea of recall but took advantage of it while available. Basically, after this race they are sick of recalls. I don't think they'd be too keen on another one in the near future.

[Guest JMA]

Well, I'm glad Arnold won. He doesn't pander to the Religious Right, he's pro-choice, and he supports gay rights (just not calling it "marriage").

[Guest Cerebus]

[NoCalMike 0]

Well, I'm glad Arnold won. He doesn't pander to the Religious Right, he's pro-choice, and he supports gay rights (just not calling it "marriage").

Can you really say this confidently? He has never served office before. He has no history to back up his claims. I am pretty sure he can skate on being pro-choice, since the majority of the entire country/government is, but everything else is up in the air. Also if social issues are as much of a non-factor republicans claimed before the election, than what does it matter about those three issues you listed? The Republicans are going to want payback for spinning him into office and throwing all support and backing behind him. Once again, let me remind you, Arnold was running as a republican, not as an independent.

[Internet Warfare 0]

WE MUST TERMINATE...THE TERMINATER!

 

(orchetrates no recall chant.)

[NoCalMike 0]

Has Arnold spoken yet? Davis just got done congradulating Arnold, so I guess Arnold will be on soon.

[NoCalMike 0]

Wow, Pete Wilson on TV speaking on people voting against special interests, bwahaha, the nerve. How dare that fuckhead talk about the deteriation of CA, he played a big fucking part of it.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

He has no history to back up his claims.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...08/MN175872.DTL

 

Arnold on Taxes: "I still believe in lower taxes -- and the power of the free market. I still believe in controlling government spending. If it's a bad program, let's get rid of it."

 

Arnold on Guns: "I don't run around every day with a gun in my hand. So I want kids to understand the difference: One is make-believe, like we do in movies. But in reality, I'm for gun control. I'm a peace-loving guy."

 

Arnold on Gays: "I have no sexual standards in my head that say this is good or this is bad. 'Homosexual' -- that only means to me that he enjoys sex with a man and I enjoy sex with a woman. It's all legitimate to me."

 

Arnold on Gays, pt 2:"When it comes to sex, I don't give a shit what anyone's trip is."

 

Arnold on cloning: "At the moment, they're dealing with it by putting the religious spin on it. I understand that; there are some people who are religiously fanatic, that feel uncomfortable with it. But I think that's also a mistake."

 

I am pretty sure he can skate on being pro-choice, since the majority of the entire country/government is, but everything else is up in the air.

 

He's been pretty consistant on these things though. Most if not all the quotes I put up above are made before he decided to run. I know the guns and gay and cloning ones are.

 

The Republicans are going to want payback for spinning him into office and throwing all support and backing behind him.

 

The Republicans in this state are at the very best split on these issues. A number agree with Arnold's positions but don't have the funding. There will quite a lot of Republicans welcoming Arnold's stated positions and expecting him to keep them.

 

Really, not every Republican here is pro-life and hardcore social conservatives. It's just that the ones who are have a lot of friends.

[NoCalMike 0]

JotW, I am not saying he has never taken a stance or given an opinion. However, I meant he never had to make actual political decisions when it counted. I am not gonna write the guy off yet, but I am just not sure how much he is willing to rock the boat that helped sail him into the governor's seat.

[NoCalMike 0]

Arnold's speech is actually impressive so far.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

After reading those quotes, I'm going to shut my mouth (It hasn't been opened here but it has just about everywhe else) and give the man a chance. Wow, am I actually warming up to the idea of ARNOLD in office?

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

with 45.8% of the vote in.. Gary Coleman has passed Bill Simon and moved into 9th place with 4,750 votes.

 

Coleman has a stronghold in Los Angeles county..

 

results from LA county

 

Arnold - 47%

Cruz - 36%

McClintock- 10%

Camejo - 2%

Arianna - 6,193 votes

Ueberroth - 2,049 votes

Coleman - 1,117 votes

Flynt - 1,026 votes

Schwartzman - 631 votes

Mary Carey - 566 votes

 

I like Gary's chances of overtaking Schwartzman and making a run for 7th place

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

The following counties have not sent in any returns

 

Alameda county (Oakland)

Tulare county

 

"Recall" is leading by 70 votes in Solano county and by 572 votes in LA county

 

http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/recall/mapN4.htm

 

the left coast of California is against the recall, but the rest is for it.

 

and currently in last place in the recall.. Robert A. "Butch" Dole.

[Guest JMA]

Man, that Darrell Issa guy really gives off the "slimeball in a suit" vibe (AKA the Sean Hannity vibe). I saw him talking to Wolf along with Arianna Huffington. He did the classic "INTERUPTION~!" Not that I'm a Huffington fan, but Issa came off as a total douchebag.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

with 45.8% of the vote in.. Gary Coleman has passed Bill Simon and moved into 9th place with 4,750 votes.

I'm not a NASCAR fan, but I've talked to people who are. They told me that even when the race is decided early on, there are a lot of "mini-races" between other cars going on in hopes of getting a higher-placed finish.

 

The Calif. "mini-races" between established political figures and pop figures may be more entertaining than the Big 3.

 

Go Gary...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

You best look out, Gallagher could take the damn thing.

[Firestarter 0]

I made a mark in the R box. Someone give me a drink or something.

If you're ever in DC, look me up and I will. Gladly.

 

Welcome to the Dark Side, young Jedi.

 

It looks like it is going to be a landslide. The Democrats should have bailed on Davis and put their efforts solidly behind another D candidate like Bustamante. They probably would have done better then. I know I couldn't figure out whether Dems wanted Bustmante or Davis as governor. They can't both be governor and confusion doesn't get votes.

Indeed. The schizophrenic "No on recall, yes on Bustamante" slogan parrotted by our own Tyler McClelland is probably responsible for a large portion of Schwarzenegger's votes. Thanks, guys!

[Jobber of the Week 0]

If you're ever in DC, look me up and I will. Gladly.

 

Welcome to the Dark Side, young Jedi.

Eh.. It's temporary. Wait until 2004 and then come over here and let me buy you a drink. Trust me, you're going to need one. (unless Lieberman or Clark wins it anyway. Clark is startin' to bug me because he's coming close to the Dem version of RINO)

 

Indeed. The schizophrenic "No on recall, yes on Bustamante" slogan parrotted by our own Tyler McClelland is probably responsible for a large portion of Schwarzenegger's votes. Thanks, guys!

 

Actually, Davis should have just friggin' resigned and let Bustamante take his job. But the two guys talked one time since re-election, and dislike each other enough (Davis even took Cruz's exclusive parking spot away one time in a spat that made newspapers for some reason) that they killed their own party.

 

A party that has a million-plus voter edge against a party that was split amongst two candidates.

 

Fucking hell. If I was Art Torres or Terry McAuliffe, I'd be chopping necks right now.

[Firestarter 0]

If you're ever in DC, look me up and I will. Gladly.

 

Welcome to the Dark Side, young Jedi.

Eh.. It's temporary.

That's what they all say.

 

Wait until 2004 and then come over here and let me buy you a drink. Trust me, you're going to need one.

No... no, I don't think I shall. I think 2004 will go by the numbers.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Meanwhile.. Coleman has moved into 8th place with 12,000 votes.

 

Here's your celeb/gimmick results

 

Larry Flynt- 14,775 (7th)

 

Gary Coleman - 12,261 (8th)

 

Mary Carey - 9,515 (10th)

 

Bruce Margolin, Marijuana legalization attorney - 7,689 (11th)

 

Gallagher - 4,646 (16th)

 

Georgy Russell - 1,898 (33rd)

 

Cigarette guy/leading Libertarian Ned Roscoe - 1,888 (34th)

 

and currently in last place with 165 votes, Todd Lewis.

 

It must suck to be in last place in a 131-candidate election

[Guest Cerebus]

So what now? Most ppl are calling Arnold Governor-Elect so when does he get sworn in?

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Nov. 15th, after the votes are finalized

[Highland 0]

Flame me for being ignorant, but why did WW2 spring us out of the depression, but our recent wars in Afgahanistan and Iraq failed to yield a similar result with our sagging economy?

WW2 was a direct threat to the country, unlike the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The economic and military buildup of the US after Pearl Harbor is what really launched the US out of the Depression, not the New Deal.

[Guest MikeSC]

3) He ran for office in 1944 when he knew he shouldn't. He also killed off the unspoken 2-term rule that people like Washington, who could've been President PERMANENTLY had he wished, followed.

So? He was under no obligation to NOT run again. None whatsoever.

 

The stupid thing is that the Republicans were so scared about this that they implemented the 2 term rule into law. Every President we've had since then that we like so much we'd probably keep them around for more than 2 terms has been Republican.

If 2 terms was enough for George Freakin' Washington, it should've been enough for FDR.

 

And I don't like term limits whatsoever.

-=Mike