bob_barron Posted October 18, 2003 Report Posted October 18, 2003 Okay Mike- we'll just agree to disagree to here. I see your point about expecting nothing going in. I would've given the match ****1/4 regardless but I just got more joy out of it since I did not expect anything going in. Zsasz- You know my feelings about HBK and even I was marking out like a bitch when he was attacking HHH and JR was screaming about the match being non sanctioned
bob_barron Posted October 18, 2003 Report Posted October 18, 2003 But Triple H isn't exactly a poster boy for good health either. Booker's a good solid worker- He won't give you a MOTYC but put him in there with someone good and you'll get a good match. But you can't deny that the way they booked the feud- Booker T had to win
Guest The Real Nosferatu Posted October 18, 2003 Report Posted October 18, 2003 Wow...Hogan/Rock was WORSE than HBK/HHH in storylines? Hogan/Rock = Legend vs. verge of Legend status at the biggest show of the year. HHH/HBK: HHH taking up a whole Raw looking for HBK's attacker, and revealing it to be himself. How fucking original. Actually, I'd agree with 1inch here. The crowd going batshit for Hogan destroyed the "passing of the torch" thing. And Hogan tried to KILL ROCK WITH AN AMBULANCE. HBK/HHH had a tremendous build, and one of the best moments of 2002 on RAW: When HBK ran down to the ring and started whipping ass, tell me you didn't cheer. I'll agree, I went nuts went HBK beat up HHH (and at the time my #1 hated wrestler Brock Lesnar). But the build (from HHH's side) was pretty eh. The Hogan/Rock ambulance thing was dumb because Rock no sold it by being perfect healthy 10 days later. It woulda worked better if it happend in like November, have Rock off t.v for 4 months, then build to a feud. Hogans untimely signing left little time for that so they had to rush.
Guest The Real Nosferatu Posted October 18, 2003 Report Posted October 18, 2003 Wrestlemania was FIVE months before Bookers injury. And he's back already after less than two months. HHH has been injured all fucking year, wrestling mainly tag matches as the World Champion, and killing the heat of everyone...no matter if its RVD Booker or Steiner, he killed the heat from people he fought, making them worth shit. Steiner sucks, sure, but he could have had a REAL win over HHH and not a weak DQ finish.
tommytomlin Posted October 18, 2003 Report Posted October 18, 2003 Who has HHH feuded with in the past 3 years? The only feud he SHOULD have lost, really, is Jericho and Angle --- and those were in 2000. Two bad ones --- but by and large, he is stuck in the ring with slugs. I mean, you want him to job to Scott Steiner? Kevin Nash? Heck, much as I love Booker T, he isn't exactly a world-beater. And RVD doesn't deserve it, much as many here hate to see it. -=Mike Face Foley or Rock at WM 2000, face Jericho before then, face Kane (this is the best example of when Triple H should have swallowed his pride instead of Vince's semen. Kane's character had been tarnished so much by the Katie Vick shit that the World Title was the only thing that could have saved him. I don't get the logic in making Kane a necropheliac murderer and having him LOSE the feud.), face Booker (the fact that Booker suffered a back injury two months later is no reason why he had to job at Wrestlemania, the place where faces are meant to go over). I don't see how you can justify a three year long period where Triple H never lost a feud.
The Dames Posted October 18, 2003 Report Posted October 18, 2003 Heck, much as I love Booker T, he isn't exactly a world-beater. What the fuck is a world-beater? It sounds DEVASTATING. Dames
Fökai Posted October 18, 2003 Report Posted October 18, 2003 Face Foley or Rock at WM 2000 Winning the MATCH and winning the FEUD are two different things. Hunter won the Wrestlemania 2000 match, but he ultimately lost the feud (which most would assume was at King of the Ring 2000). Foley wasn't contractually obligated to stay as an active wrestler past Wrestlemania anyway. face Jericho before then When was this? face Kane (this is the best example of when Triple H should have swallowed his pride instead of Vince's semen. Kane's character had been tarnished so much by the Katie Vick shit that the World Title was the only thing that could have saved him. I don't get the logic in making Kane a necropheliac murderer and having him LOSE the feud.) Kane won the FEUD, once again. He won the casket match on RAW, which was the blowoff to their feud., face Booker (the fact that Booker suffered a back injury two months later is no reason why he had to job at Wrestlemania, the place where faces are meant to go over). And who would face champion Booker be programmed with post-Mania? Not saying I AGREE with keeping Trips as champion, but I understand why they kept the belt on a heel. You had an easy program with two "new" faces in the title scene (Nash, Goldberg), while you had HBK, Kane, RVD and Booker behind them.
Guest Salacious Crumb Posted October 18, 2003 Report Posted October 18, 2003 Triple H didn't even get pinned when Rock finally won the title at KOTR2000. He had to pin McMahon.
Fökai Posted October 18, 2003 Report Posted October 18, 2003 Triple H didn't even get pinned when Rock finally won the title at KOTR2000. He had to pin McMahon. So when the feud really end, then? At KOTR 2000, where the final title change between Rocky and HHH happened? Or at Summerslam 2000, where Rocky pinned HHH once and for all? (even though HHH had a semi-program with Angle at the time)
Guest Salacious Crumb Posted October 18, 2003 Report Posted October 18, 2003 I don't think there was really ever a proper end to the feud. Rock got the belt but he ultimately didn't have to beat Triple H for it.
bob_barron Posted October 18, 2003 Report Posted October 18, 2003 And who would face champion Booker be programmed with post-Mania? Not saying I AGREE with keeping Trips as champion, but I understand why they kept the belt on a heel. You had an easy program with two "new" faces in the title scene (Nash, Goldberg), while you had HBK, Kane, RVD and Booker behind them. That's simple. You can do a feud with Triple H, a feud with Jericho, a feud with heel Rock and you could always do face v. face with RVD. Booker had lots of opponents he could've faced. There is no excuse for not putting the belt on him
Guest TheGame2705 Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 I understand why they shouldn't get behind Booker T now but back when he came in even The Rock didn't put him over. It seems ever since Booker got the new hairdo he hasn't been the same. Triple H beat him in a "black people suck" storyline. The Rock made him look like crap in his first feud. I mean you know there's definite bad blood with Booker if even The Rock who has put over Snow, Henry, Hurricane, etc. won't put him over.
The Thread Killer Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 As unlikely as this might seem to those who know our history...I agree with The Game2705. While I was at 411, I wrote a column about this very topic. (Which I'm sure The Game here would be glad to tell you sucks, since he's such a HUGE fan of my writing.) The way the WWE handled Booker T, and that angle in particular was nothing short of a disgrace, and pretty much set the table for his subsequent burial.
MrRant Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 In regards to the better worker argument if I were to talk currently who is better? Jarrett. Healthy HHH vs. Healthy Jarrett? HHH.
King Cucaracha Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 He still carried the match, it says so right there Oh my god...I thought you were joking about SK until that...
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Posted October 21, 2003 Report Posted October 21, 2003 In regards to the better worker argument if I were to talk currently who is better? Jarrett. Healthy HHH vs. Healthy Jarrett? HHH. Too fucking Right Oh my god...I thought you were joking about SK until that... I have all his stuff printed out, and I religously read it
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