Jobber of the Week Posted November 26, 2003 Report Posted November 26, 2003 So John Kerry says he's going back to Washington to vote on that Medicare bill. John Edwards does the same. Kerry appears on the floor and talks against it. Then comes the final vote. Edwards votes against it, but Kerry is.... Heading back to Iowa? The only two senators to miss the final vote on landmark Medicare legislation were Democratic presidential candidates John Kerry and Joe Lieberman, who returned to the campaign trail Tuesday. Kerry and Lieberman had canceled campaign appearances Sunday and Monday to support a filibuster of the bill, but after a pair of procedural votes Monday failed to stop it, both senators skipped the final vote. They said passage of the $395 billion measure was a foregone conclusion. The Senate cleared the bill, 54-44, and sent it to President Bush for his signature. The two Democratic candidates said there was no point in staying in Washington after losing the critical vote to halt the bill's progress by invoking arcane budget rules. "There was no question about the passage," said Kerry, who was stumping in Iowa on Tuesday. "The vote was not going to make a difference in the outcome." The Massachusetts senator had gone to great lengths to be in Washington, even participating by satellite in a Democratic presidential debate in Iowa Monday afternoon. But after the two-hour debate ended, Kerry flew to Iowa, saying it was more important for him to "take the fight for real, affordable prescription drug relief to the country as I run for president." Lieberman spokeswoman Casey Aden-Wansbury said the Connecticut senator's position against the Medicare bill was widely known. "He was present for the most critical vote," she said. Lieberman campaigned in Arizona Tuesday. The bill gives private insurers a large new role in health care for seniors and adds a prescription drug benefit to Medicare. It is the most sweeping change since the program was created in 1965. Another presidential candidate, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, also participated in the Monday afternoon presidential debate in Iowa by satellite so he could stay in Washington for the procedural votes. Edwards voted against the bill Tuesday. Rival Howard Dean's campaign couldn't resist chastising Kerry for missing the final vote after the senator spent a significant portion of Monday's debate challenging Dean's position on Medicare. In an e-mail to reporters, Dean's campaign cited a series of newspaper headlines about Kerry returning to Washington to take part in the filibuster of the bill, then missing the final vote. During the debate, Kerry repeatedly asked Dean whether, if elected, he would act to "slow the rate of growth of Medicare." After dodging the question, Dean declared, "We will not cut Medicare in order to balance the budget." http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politic...s-medicare.html So while Kerry bashes Dean at the debate, the Medicare issue he's so passionate about... He doesn't vote for! No wonder Kerry is losing by so many points in the state he's been a part of politics in for 20 years.
Guest Choken One Posted November 26, 2003 Report Posted November 26, 2003 I'm more concerned about Kerry's Eyebrows... WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON with them?
kkktookmybabyaway Posted November 26, 2003 Report Posted November 26, 2003 It will all be forgotten next week. Besides, John Kerry served in Vietnam, so don't you dare question his commitment to Medicare...
Jobber of the Week Posted November 26, 2003 Author Report Posted November 26, 2003 It will all be forgotten next week. I'm sorry, I just thought it was ass-backwards that he abandoned his constituency so that he could continue his Presidential run.
kkktookmybabyaway Posted November 26, 2003 Report Posted November 26, 2003 I'm agreeing with you on this -- it's just that I don't think it's that a big deal in regards to it hurting his chances at winning the Democrat nomination...
KingPK Posted November 27, 2003 Report Posted November 27, 2003 I'm agreeing with you on this -- it's just that I don't think it's that a big deal in regards to it hurting his chances at winning the Democrat nomination... ....which he's doing a fine job of in other ways. Put it this way: he isn't even the top nominee in MASSACHUSETTS anymore, according to a Boston Herald poll (I'll find the link). Dean has overtaken him. Hell, even Dukakis had the support of the Massholes.
Guest MikeSC Posted November 27, 2003 Report Posted November 27, 2003 It will all be forgotten next week. I'm sorry, I just thought it was ass-backwards that he abandoned his constituency so that he could continue his Presidential run. I thought I read somewhere that he's missed about 80% of all votes since his campaign started. I could be wrong, though. -=Mike
Guest MikeSC Posted November 27, 2003 Report Posted November 27, 2003 It will all be forgotten next week. Besides, John Kerry served in Vietnam, so don't you dare question his commitment to Medicare... WHAT? JOHN KERRY SERVED? Get the heck outta town! -=Mike ...What next? Did McCain serve or something?
Guest MikeSC Posted November 27, 2003 Report Posted November 27, 2003 I'm agreeing with you on this -- it's just that I don't think it's that a big deal in regards to it hurting his chances at winning the Democrat nomination... ....which he's doing a fine job of in other ways. Put it this way: he isn't even the top nominee in MASSACHUSETTS anymore, according to a Boston Herald poll (I'll find the link). Dean has overtaken him. Hell, even Dukakis had the support of the Massholes. Completely irrelevant, but I LOVE the whole Torgo from "Manos: Hands of Fate" avatar (MST 3K RULES!). Where the heck did you get it? -=Mike
Jobber of the Week Posted November 27, 2003 Author Report Posted November 27, 2003 WHAT? JOHN KERRY SERVED? Get the heck outta town! -=Mike ...What next? Did McCain serve or something? So it's not just a rumor...
BX Posted November 27, 2003 Report Posted November 27, 2003 It will all be forgotten next week. Besides, John Kerry served in Vietnam, so don't you dare question his commitment to Medicare... WHAT? JOHN KERRY SERVED? Get the heck outta town! -=Mike ...What next? Did McCain serve or something? What is this, the third time you've cracked that "joke"?
Guest MikeSC Posted November 27, 2003 Report Posted November 27, 2003 It will all be forgotten next week. Besides, John Kerry served in Vietnam, so don't you dare question his commitment to Medicare... WHAT? JOHN KERRY SERVED? Get the heck outta town! -=Mike ...What next? Did McCain serve or something? What is this, the third time you've cracked that "joke"? Wow, quick on the uptake, are ye? -=Mike
kkktookmybabyaway Posted November 27, 2003 Report Posted November 27, 2003 Third in this thread perhaps. You jumped on the train late...
Guest Choken One Posted November 27, 2003 Report Posted November 27, 2003 ANSWER MY QUESTION FUCKERS! Why in the blue hell is going on with Kerry's Eyebrows? He might just be the only person Ive ever seen with VERTICAL wrinkles.
BX Posted November 27, 2003 Report Posted November 27, 2003 (edited) I get this mental image of Mikey typing out his blather, sitting back, and laughing at his latest masterpiece of logic, wit and "no-spin" verity, perhaps patting himself on the back like that Horowtiz guy. Then I think of this comic strip by Tom Tomorrow, and I have to laugh. Just thought I'd clarify. Edited November 27, 2003 by B-X
kkktookmybabyaway Posted November 27, 2003 Report Posted November 27, 2003 Eh, that didn't do much for me. But I do like a bunch of Tom's stuff...
Jobber of the Week Posted November 27, 2003 Author Report Posted November 27, 2003 Then I think of this comic strip I've been laughing pretty hard tonight, and this just made it worse. Thanks.
KingPK Posted November 27, 2003 Report Posted November 27, 2003 I'm agreeing with you on this -- it's just that I don't think it's that a big deal in regards to it hurting his chances at winning the Democrat nomination... ....which he's doing a fine job of in other ways. Put it this way: he isn't even the top nominee in MASSACHUSETTS anymore, according to a Boston Herald poll (I'll find the link). Dean has overtaken him. Hell, even Dukakis had the support of the Massholes. Completely irrelevant, but I LOVE the whole Torgo from "Manos: Hands of Fate" avatar (MST 3K RULES!). Where the heck did you get it? -=Mike MST3K.org, not many images up yet, but there are a good amount from Manos.
snuffbox Posted November 27, 2003 Report Posted November 27, 2003 It will all be forgotten next week. Besides, John Kerry served in Vietnam, so don't you dare question his commitment to Medicare... WHAT? JOHN KERRY SERVED? Get the heck outta town! -=Mike ...What next? Did McCain serve or something? What is this, the third time you've cracked that "joke"? Wow, quick on the uptake, are ye? -=Mike 'he fought in a war....hahahaha!'
Cartman Posted November 27, 2003 Report Posted November 27, 2003 He's right though, there was no point for him to vote since as he said repeatedly there was no chance it would get shot down. Fortunately Bush signing this bill will cost him PLENTY of votes in the upcoming election due to the wide population of Seniors that are pissed about this bill.
Guest Cerebus Posted November 27, 2003 Report Posted November 27, 2003 Does anyone else find it hilarious that they showed up for the FILLABUSTER and not the VOTE.
Jobber of the Week Posted November 27, 2003 Author Report Posted November 27, 2003 He's right though, there was no point for him to vote since as he said repeatedly there was no chance it would get shot down. It's the principle of the thing.
Vyce Posted November 28, 2003 Report Posted November 28, 2003 It will all be forgotten next week. Besides, John Kerry served in Vietnam, so don't you dare question his commitment to Medicare... WHAT? JOHN KERRY SERVED? Get the heck outta town! -=Mike ...What next? Did McCain serve or something? What is this, the third time you've cracked that "joke"? Joking about Kerry's military service has become a running gag ever since Kerry began to use it as a crutch against any criticism thrown his way. Thus meaning it's been a running gag for several MONTHS now.
BX Posted November 28, 2003 Report Posted November 28, 2003 I understand that, but I still think that it was A, ill-timed and B, stupid. By your logic, I could have gone into the "Bush goes to Iraq secretly" thread and quipped, "Good for Bush, but I hope he doesn't snort away all of that free press like he did that coke back in the 70's ROFLWTFIAMGOD." It's all a matter of timing.
Guest MikeSC Posted November 28, 2003 Report Posted November 28, 2003 I get this mental image of Mikey typing out his blather, sitting back, and laughing at his latest masterpiece of logic, wit and "no-spin" verity, perhaps patting himself on the back like that Horowtiz guy. Then I think of this comic strip by Tom Tomorrow, and I have to laugh. Just thought I'd clarify. Nice to know you spend your free time visualizing me. I don't know if I should be flattered or creeped out. -=Mike
Guest MikeSC Posted November 28, 2003 Report Posted November 28, 2003 He's right though, there was no point for him to vote since as he said repeatedly there was no chance it would get shot down. Fortunately Bush signing this bill will cost him PLENTY of votes in the upcoming election due to the wide population of Seniors that are pissed about this bill. Actually, the AARP supports it --- though the GOP is WAY overplaying their importance now (AARP's endorsement is a "gold medal" or something for these kinda of bills --- might cause problems when the AARP disagrees in the future). Prescription drugs shouldn't be covered anyway --- but Kerry needs to actually show up for these votes. He DOES have a job he's getting paid to do. -=Mike
BX Posted November 28, 2003 Report Posted November 28, 2003 I get this mental image of Mikey typing out his blather, sitting back, and laughing at his latest masterpiece of logic, wit and "no-spin" verity, perhaps patting himself on the back like that Horowtiz guy. Then I think of this comic strip by Tom Tomorrow, and I have to laugh. Just thought I'd clarify. Nice to know you spend your free time visualizing me. I don't know if I should be flattered or creeped out. -=Mike You should be creeped out. Because I'm coming for you.
Guest MikeSC Posted November 28, 2003 Report Posted November 28, 2003 I get this mental image of Mikey typing out his blather, sitting back, and laughing at his latest masterpiece of logic, wit and "no-spin" verity, perhaps patting himself on the back like that Horowtiz guy. Then I think of this comic strip by Tom Tomorrow, and I have to laugh. Just thought I'd clarify. Nice to know you spend your free time visualizing me. I don't know if I should be flattered or creeped out. -=Mike You should be creeped out. Because I'm coming for you. Please, leave your ejaculatory references to yourself. -=Mike
Jobber of the Week Posted November 28, 2003 Author Report Posted November 28, 2003 Actually, the AARP supports it --- though the GOP is WAY overplaying their importance now (AARP's endorsement is a "gold medal" or something for these kinda of bills --- might cause problems when the AARP disagrees in the future). If all seniors vote the way the AARP tells them to, does that mean all blacks vote the way Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and BET and the NAACP tell them to? I think you're oversimplifying here.
Cartman Posted November 28, 2003 Report Posted November 28, 2003 The AARP supports is, right. Which is why over 10,000 seniors have dropped memberships to the AARP. That was my point earlier.
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