Damaramu 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 So they're announcing the Top 5 Canidates tonight. Who does everyone expect will actually win the Heisman on Saturday? From what I understand it is expected that Jason White will get ALL 10 first place votes. Who do you believe deserves it? Personally I would say White. His numbers as a quarterback are tremendous and he's taken basically the same team as last year that had to work under Nate Hybl and turn it into the team that it is today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Philip Rivers really ought to get into the top 5, but I doubt he will. He's the only reason NC State has those 7 wins this year. You're probably right - Larry Fitzgerald was close all year, but Pitt's not even in the top 25 anymore. I'll be stunned if he gets it. White is the easy choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Only four finalists were announced with no surprises: Jason White, Larry Fitzgerald, Eli Manning, and Chris Perry. Most of the ballots were sent in before last Saturday so White is pretty much a lock. From what I understand it is expected that Jason White will get ALL 10 first place votes. Ummm there are A LOT more than 10 people vote who vote on the Heisman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Only four finalists were announced with no surprises: Jason White, Larry Fitzgerald, Eli Manning, and Chris Perry. Most of the ballots were sent in before last Saturday so White is pretty much a lock. From what I understand it is expected that Jason White will get ALL 10 first place votes. Ummm there are A LOT more than 10 people vote who vote on the Heisman. Well god dammit what the hell was that 10 number I heard on ESPN? *hunts down Sportscenter guys* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Let me guess...Dama watched PTI this afternoon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Let me guess...Dama watched PTI this afternoon. Yes......yes he did........ Who do YOU think will win the Heisman? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Probably White. None of the other finalists are really close...someone would've needed to have a really blowaway year, and no one else did that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Kevin Jones. ... ... *wakes up* Larry Fitzgerald will probably get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 White will and should win the award. Fitzgerald in a solid 2nd place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cran Da Maniac 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 I so hope that Perry gets it, being from the same hometown as me, but I know White's probably the shoo-in this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ANKLELOCK 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Fitzgerald is the best player in football, but he might not get it. White has mastered the art of the 5 yard out which Clayton turns into a 70 yard score padding White's stats. Fitzgerald Perry White Manning Rivers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Fitzgerald is the best player in football, but he might not get it. White has mastered the art of the 5 yard out which Clayton turns into a 70 yard score padding White's stats. Fitzgerald Perry White Manning Rivers Keep telling yourself all of this...and OU might just suck next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Austin3164life 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 I think Chris Perry should get it, but for some reason I see either Fitzgerald or Eli Manning getting the trophy. I'm a big RB fan, and I wouldn't mind seeing another great RB in the NFL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 The Heisman Trophy is supposed to go to the best player in college football. With that being said, Larry Fitzgerald should win the award. He probably won't for two reasons: 1.He's a sophomore 2.Pitt slumped a bit towards the end of the season Still, he's the best player in America, while White isn't the best player on his team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 The Heisman Trophy is supposed to go to the best player in college football. With that being said, Larry Fitzgerald should win the award. He probably won't for two reasons: 1.He's a sophomore 2.Pitt slumped a bit towards the end of the season 3. Heisman voters don't favor receivers (three winners in however many years) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 How is White not the best player in the country? The AP the thing which you swear by to determine the #1 team in the country has declared him the College Player of the Year. Plus he's got one of the most impressive records of any quarterback that's ever won the Heisman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Even though I'm a huge college football fan I so don't care about the Heisman. After the year Gino Toretta beat out Garrison Hearst, think it was '92 or '93, I realized how pointless and overhyped the award really was. Also the Heisman Trophy show that ESPN does has to be one of the most boringest hour in television. Just announce the damn winner and get it over with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Some dude from USA Today had a good idea on the Tony Kornheiser show this morning: Give the award after the bowls are played. What if whoever wins the Heisman bombs in their bowl game and causes their team to suffer humiliating defeat? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 What if whoever wins the Heisman bombs in their bowl game and causes their team to suffer humiliating defeat? No, I can't <coughCrouchcough> say that <coughGeorgecough> I've ever <coughWeinkecough> seen that in my <coughTorretacough> life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spicy McHaggis 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Jason White SUCKED in OU's biggest game of the year. Notwithstanding his superb numbers, real Heisman players don't choke like that. My rankings: 1. Chris Perry 2. Larry Fitzgerald 3. Darren Sproles 4. Jason White 5. Eli Manning The fan in me wants Fitzgerald. The sportswriter in me wants Perry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 What I don't understand is why Perry is even UP here when he wasn't even the best running back in the nation. Chris Perry is an outstanding running back but the Heisman Trophy obviously doesn't take into account the best players in college football, just the players with the best PR staff. Let's look at some of the numbers across the nation for these guys -Jason White: #1 in Passing rating (167.99), #5 in yards passing (3744), and #2 in touchdowns (48 with 8 INTS) so he has the creds to be here. Good call. -Larry Fitzgerald: #1 in receiving yards (1595), #1 in the nation in scoring (132), #7 in receptions (87), #1 in touchdowns for receivers (22). Definately deserves to be there. -Chris Perry: #4 in rushing yards (1589), #81 in yards per carry (5.0), and #7 in touchdowns (17). So why exactly is Perry even here? Oh, he's a senior....nevermind. I like Perry but he wasn't even the best RB in the country. Talented but not the best. -Eli Manning: #22 in QB rating (147.5, wasn't even the highest rated Eli), #12 in touchdowns (27 with 9 INTS), and #12 in yards (3341). Never has a last name earned so much respect for such average numbers for a quarterback. Advantage: Jason White over Fitzgerald Ok, so let's take into account the records as well, to be fair Jason White: 12-1 Larry Fitzgerald: 8-4 Chris Perry: 10-2 Eli Manning: 9-3 Advantage: Jason White It looks like White has got it wrapped up but I have some guys who got dissed and dissed badly -Darren Sproles RB K-State: #1 in rushing yards (1948), #9 in Yards per carry (6.6), and #11 in touchdowns (15) on just 293 carries. Sproles, a JR, SHOULD be back next year and SHOULD be the favorite to win it since he can't this year -Phillip Rivers QB NC-ST: #2 in ratings (166.7), #4 in yards (4016), #8 in touchdowns (29 with 7 INTS). What killed Rivers? His teams record of 7-5 but without Rivers they don't win one game. Not only that but Rivers hit 71% of his passes, second in the nation. Should be there instead of Eli Manning. -Ben Roethlisberger QB Miami (OH): #7 in rating (163.5), #2 in yards (4110), #6 in touchdowns (33 with 10 INTS). Lead Miami (OH) to a 12-1 record in his JUNIOR season, while completing 69.5% of his passes and winning the MAC title. If returns, should be a leading Heisman candiate with Sproles next season. My final five would have been: Jason White Larry Fitzgerald Ben Roethlisberger Darren Sproles Phillip Rivers However, of the NCAA final four I think Jason White is the obvious choice with Fitzgerald second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Yeah, they do openly say that you have to mount an actual campaign if you want to win the Heisman. It's supposed to be about skill not popularity goddammit. (votes MANNING~) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conspiracy_Victim 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 What if whoever wins the Heisman bombs in their bowl game and causes their team to suffer humiliating defeat? No, I can't <coughCrouchcough> say that <coughGeorgecough> I've ever <coughWeinkecough> seen that in my <coughTorretacough> life You forgot <coughDetmercough >. I still grin when I think about that Holiday Bowl against Texas A&M when he got knocked around and then outplayed by Bucky Richardson. As for this year I seriously believe Fitzgerald should win it. He was one of the only offensive weapons for a medicore/good Pitt team and faced at least double coverage all year and STILL managed to do what he did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 (edited) Yeah, they do openly say that you have to mount an actual campaign if you want to win the Heisman. It's supposed to be about skill not popularity goddammit. (votes MANNING~) Jason White has all the skill in the world. It's not just that he has a good team. It's that he IS THAT GOOD. Look at his numbers and watch him play. He's the best quarterback in college football. And that's a reason I like the BCS. It isn't biased to "what have you done for me lately?" like the human polls are. I am thankful it looks at the season as a whole and takes into account everything that's being done. I mean you could lose to the very last ranked team in a fucking blowout and still be ranked higher than someone that lost to the #2 ranked team in a close game with the human polls....just because the losses are at different times. Look at the big picture guys. Pay attention to what White and The Sooners have done all season. Not recently. Take everything into account. Don't be narrow minded. Edited December 12, 2003 by The Mighty Damaramu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 What if whoever wins the Heisman bombs in their bowl game and causes their team to suffer humiliating defeat? No, I can't <coughCrouchcough> say that <coughGeorgecough> I've ever <coughWeinkecough> seen that in my <coughTorretacough> life You forgot <coughDetmercough >. And, now that I remember, I also forgot <coughHowardcough> when Michigan got owned by Washington. Maybe it's the Michigan fan in me repressing this memory, although those Huskies were a hell of a team. Also there was Andre Ware, who didn't even go to a bowl game at all. As I look through the records here, there was a four season stretch where UHouston had a great record but didn't go to a bowl. Were they on probation? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ANKLELOCK 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 Hey, ELI~! won the Maxwell player of the year award. Hopefully they won't screw him out of the Heisman like they did his big brother. I mean come on. CHARLES WOODSON?!?! However, if Fitzgerald wins it then I will be fine. He really is the best player in the nation. BY FAR. I mean not even close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 Hey, ELI~! won the Maxwell player of the year award. Hopefully they won't screw him out of the Heisman like they did his big brother. I mean come on. CHARLES WOODSON?!?! However, if Fitzgerald wins it then I will be fine. He really is the best player in the nation. BY FAR. I mean not even close. Then why does Jason White have a better record than him? Jason White is by far the best quarterback in the country and deserves it...especially after he went down with the injury and came back to prove to everyone why he was the best. Oh btw...Jason White was also named the AP Player of the Year.....what's this.......two players of the year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 Stop thinking about record. That's the whole reason the Heisman is a ridiculous award. It's not about the best player in the country, as they advertise - it's about the best player in the country on one of the best teams. Jason White definitely deserves to be up there as he IS one of the best QB's in the nation and definitely the best QB on a great team, but I'd rather have Philip Rivers on my squad any day. Jason White'll be a good choice when he wins, but unfortunately it'll continue the precedent of a team having to be top 10 for their man to have a chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JHawk 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 The Heisman trophy has been a joke for at least ten years (someone mentioned Toretta over Hearst already), but any credibility it might have had was completely destroyed when Eric Crouch won it two years ago by throwing more interceptions than touchdown passes for an overrated Nebraska team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 The nominees this year are good enough for it to NOT be a joke. I swear....everything these days is a joke. Next thing you know winning the super bowl will be a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
