Alright, What the Fuck

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I still don't think Holly has been officially on a wrestlemania card, dispite being one of the longest working wrestlers for the promotion.

 

Me, I like Hardcore and his mini-feud with Brock - but not over Benoit. Never over Benoit. Fuck Holly.

[Guest MikeSC]

I still don't think Holly has been officially on a wrestlemania card, dispite being one of the longest working wrestlers for the promotion.

 

Me, I like Hardcore and his mini-feud with Brock - but not over Benoit. Never over Benoit. Fuck Holly.

I'll just mention ONE thing:

 

Eddy Guerrero v Brock Lesnar --- World Title match --- Survivor Series.

 

Remember THAT rumor?

 

Keep your panties out of your cracks for a little while and relax.

-=Mike

[spman 0]

On the one hand, yeah Holly really isn't a good worker, and doesn't really deserve the main event spot. On the other hand, it's refreshing to see some changeup int he main event, rather then Benoit vs A-Train or Undertaker or Angle or any of the other guys we've seen him fight a million times. Im undecided on whether this is good or bad, I'll wait to see where it goes before making my decision.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Why are you mentioning that when quoting me? I never bought into that rumour for a second and found it rather silly. Me, I'm basing this on the WWE's inability to do the right thing.

[Guest MikeSC]

Why are you mentioning that when quoting me? I never bought into that rumour for a second and found it rather silly. Me, I'm basing this on the WWE's inability to do the right thing.

Because I'm having huge problems with this board (that "board message" message ad nauseum) and your post was one of the few I was able to reply to without the problem.

 

I hate that message.

-=Mike

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

The winner of the Royal Rumble will definitely be one of the following:

 

Batista

Randy Orton

Chris Jericho (face)

Chris Benoit

John Cena

Steve Austin

Undertaker

Ric Flair

PISH!

 

Flair, Benoit, Jericho, Austin and Taker will NOT win. It'll be Batista or Orton.

Goldberg will win the Royal Rumble, be traded to Smackdown for the Undertaker, and go on to get a shot at Brock at WM. This will also put Taker on the same show as Kane so he can get his revenge.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

*reads the report

 

*clears throat

 

FUCK YOU, WWE!

 

I still don't think Holly has been officially on a wrestlemania card, dispite being one of the longest working wrestlers for the promotion.

 

He won the Hardcore Title at both WM 15 and 16.

[NYU 0]

I still don't think Holly has been officially on a wrestlemania card, dispite being one of the longest working wrestlers for the promotion.

Holly was in the Tag Team Battle Royal at WrestleMania XIV. He wrestled in a Triple Threat match for the Hardcore title at WrestleMania XV with Al Snow and Billy Gunn. And at WrestleMania 2000, he won that Hardcore Time Limit Battle Royal thing to get the Hardcore Title.

 

There, Holly's not only got 1 WrestleMania match, but three. Time for him to get the hell out already.

[Gert T 0]

Me, I like Hardcore and his mini-feud with Brock - but not over Benoit. Never over Benoit. Fuck Holly.

I agree. Sure maybe he can't bring it in the ring, but the build has been good. It's a simple reason to feud. One man broke the other's neck.

[Nevermortal 0]

The premise of the Holly feud is terriffic. Its very old school.

 

But it Bob Fucking Holly. The guy who drove cars. The guy who was a superheavyweight. The guy who was never above the midcard, ever. Fuck him.

[SamoaRowe 0]

Wow, some SD match being booked for RR. Speaking on Benoit for a sec, and since Foley is back, I still remember the 2 TITLE wins Benoit had.....for about 3 seconds, when Foley appeared and said he cheated and to start the match over again.

Yeah, I'm amazed that I still like Foley at all after he did that.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

With the way things are, I dont have a problem with Bob Holly wrestling Brock Lesnar for the Title at Royal Rumble. I probably would have saved it for the throw away No Way Out Smackdown PPV in february, but it really doesn't matter.

[Kurt Angle Mark 0]

I probably would have saved it for the throw away No Way Out Smackdown PPV in february, but it really doesn't matter.

I disagree. I would have Brock and Holly at Royal Rumble since the main selling point of the PPV is the Rumble match itself.

 

Save Brock vs. Benoit for No Way Out since the Smackdown PPV's have had really low numbers, thanks to the McMahons. Therefore they need to give the fans a reason to order.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

hmm, I distinctly remember reading something on WWE.com about Holly and not being on Wrestlemania.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

You know, in 2000, Bob Holly was my favourite wrestler.

 

I'm dead fucking serious. I love the Big Shot gimmick.

 

Today, he's not my favourite wrestler, but he's up there.

 

I think he's got a great character currently (he's just a jackass, which is great, because everyone thinks he's a jackass anyway) and I really like the feud with Brock.

 

As someone said, it's so old-school. "You broke my neck, you bastard." It's refreshing to have a feud that isn't based on some stupid crap, but some real, down-to-earth, old-school WRESTLING angles.

 

But seriously, what's the problem? It's PAINFULLY obvious that Benoit WILL get a title shot at Brock. Personally, I think it's kinda obvious right now that he's gonna win the Rumble, and go on to Mania, though that could easily change in the next few months.

 

But seriously, what's the problem with the guy main-eventing ONE fucking PPV? Hell, he won't even be in the main event. Hell, it might not even be the semi-main event - The World Title and RR matches will probably be after it.

 

Holly wrestling Lesnar is not going to make the Rumble draw less. The Rumble will draw, because it's the Rumble. Period.

 

Also, it'd look dumb for them to just throw this feud away. Hardcore comes back from a serious injury, cheap-shots Brock at every chance, and suddenly just fades away? No thanks. I like angles with conclusions.

 

I look at it this way: It gives Lesnar someone different to wrestle, on one PPV, where the focus will NOT be on that match, while Benoit is built up to wrestle Brock for the match that matters.

 

I don't think it's a big deal, really, and I think you're all freaking over a throw-away match for no real reason.

[res37618 0]

You know, in 2000, Bob Holly was my favourite wrestler.

 

I'm dead fucking serious. I love the Big Shot gimmick.

 

Today, he's not my favourite wrestler, but he's up there.

 

I think he's got a great character currently (he's just a jackass, which is great, because everyone thinks he's a jackass anyway) and I really like the feud with Brock.

 

As someone said, it's so old-school. "You broke my neck, you bastard." It's refreshing to have a feud that isn't based on some stupid crap, but some real, down-to-earth, old-school WRESTLING angles.

 

But seriously, what's the problem? It's PAINFULLY obvious that Benoit WILL get a title shot at Brock. Personally, I think it's kinda obvious right now that he's gonna win the Rumble, and go on to Mania, though that could easily change in the next few months.

 

But seriously, what's the problem with the guy main-eventing ONE fucking PPV? Hell, he won't even be in the main event. Hell, it might not even be the semi-main event - The World Title and RR matches will probably be after it.

 

Holly wrestling Lesnar is not going to make the Rumble draw less. The Rumble will draw, because it's the Rumble. Period.

 

Also, it'd look dumb for them to just throw this feud away. Hardcore comes back from a serious injury, cheap-shots Brock at every chance, and suddenly just fades away? No thanks. I like angles with conclusions.

 

I look at it this way: It gives Lesnar someone different to wrestle, on one PPV, where the focus will NOT be on that match, while Benoit is built up to wrestle Brock for the match that matters.

 

I don't think it's a big deal, really, and I think you're all freaking over a throw-away match for no real reason.

Totally agreed. . . you've taken the words right outta my mouth.

 

Everyone bitches and moans because the storylines are so bad, and finally they come up with an old-school "I'm gonna kick your ass for breaking my neck" angle, and you bitch about that too. I'd almost bet that the Lesnar/Holly match won't even main event the Rumble anyway, so what the hell will it hurt to do the payoff match of their feud on PPV? Who knows, it may even surprise you . . .

 

Your beloved Benoit will get his title shot soon enough, I'm sure. God, I really think some of you guys lose sleep over Benoit's supposed "mistreatment" by Vince . . . would even bet some of you are on prescribed medication because of severe depression and suicidal tendencies because of the "Great Benoit Conspiracy of 2003". Hell, I want to see Benoit wrestle Lesnar (and hopefully wrest the title from him) as much as the next guy. But c'mon, you're acting like ONE match (and a blowoff, probable semi-main-event match at that) is gonna just bankrupt the company or something. At least give them credit for booking a semi-sensible, old-school angle that doesn't involve wrestling over a useless GM's job, announcer's job, or something else equally as retarded.

 

In other words, lighten up.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Fuck lightening up. I invest both my time, thoughts and emotions into Benoit's quest for the title and I don't want to see it get fucked up by THIS or anything else.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

You hit the nail right on the head, Rudo.

 

His QUEST for the title.

 

Now, around this time of the year, when do quests for the title begin?

 

Right, the Royal Rumble.

 

When do they end? Wrestlemania.

 

So how is Holly wrestling Lesnar in what is basically a placeholder match (Lesnar's finishing off this feud because there's not really many other guys for him to just squash at the RR to make him look strong) ruining Benoit's quest for the title?

 

His quest is coming. But not right now.

 

I mean, it wouldn't be much of a quest if it was right now, now would it?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Benoit is not winning the title at Mania. Benoit isn't a Mania type of guy. Wrestlemania is about glitz and glamour; it's the showcase of the immortals. Benoit is very human.

 

The Royal Rumble is perfect for a Benoit title-win as it was the event where he last came closest to winning the gold. It's where he tapped out to Kurt Angle.

 

Benoit's Quest has been going on FOR YEARS. There is nothing else to really do, plot-wise, in Brock vs. Benoit that hasn't already been established. Benoit has Brock's number. Benoit has made Lesnar tap. Brock can't make Benoit tap. Benoit would rather die than Tap. Surrounding that you can throw in some Benoit history and motivation, that's it. It's not a feud that requires heavy overbooking and twists and turns - it's simple. The Holly/Lesnar storyline should only be used to compliment Benoit/Lesnar - where Holly and Benoit are contrasted in their desires and their succcess is different because of it. Holly/Lesnar is hurting Benoit because in-the-meantime, Benoit has to do shit like wrestle Chuck Palumbo and kills any momentum and support he had.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

If you think about it, they're pretty much recycling the Lesnar angle from earlier this year for Benoit.

[Ultra Violence 0]

Personally I think the match should be next week on "IraqDown" in a landmine match.

 

oh well

 

Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

Holly looses

[eirejmcmahon 0]

I'd forgive im anything if they give Chris the title at Mania.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

I'm still not convinced that this is a big deal that's going to ruin Benoit's career or whatever.

 

If, after the RR, Benoit is still treated like shit, then I may see your viewpoint; Until then, I still see this as a mere placeholder match, while they get the Benoit plan in action.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

If you think about it, they're pretty much recycling the Lesnar angle from earlier this year for Benoit.

 

Wow, welcome to last week where this was already established.

 

If, after the RR, Benoit is still treated like shit, then I may see your viewpoint; Until then, I still see this as a mere placeholder match, while they get the Benoit plan in action.

 

It's already happened before - infact, it happened last year. After the RR match they had Benoit in limbo where he didn't really *do* anything for, oh I dunno, 6 FUCKING MONTHS!

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

I said it before in another thread, but Holly/Lesnar would just be stupid. If they put on that match in Philly, it is going to result in a face turn for Brock. I don't see why they would put Brock in a position to get cheered.

That is the most, STUPID, ASANINE statement I've read here for awhile, and I've even read the new HHHate threads. I don't know man, that comment was made in an attempt to be too smarkish or something. It was just dumb as fucking hell. Have you seen the pops Holly has gotten since his return? Have you seen the heat Brock has gotten over the past few weeks? So, do tell, HOW will Brock Lesnar get cheered over Holly? The fans have no problem with this angle, the only people who do post here. Hmmmmmmm, why am I not surprised? This folder is a vapid wasteland of wrestling fans as talentless as the hosses they criticize. Just a bunch of poor man's Scott Keiths running around here I see.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

I said it before in another thread, but Holly/Lesnar would just be stupid.  If they put on that match in Philly, it is going to result in a face turn for Brock.  I don't see why they would put Brock in a position to get cheered.

That is the most, STUPID, ASANINE statement I've read here for awhile, and I've even read the new HHHate threads. I don't know man, that comment was made in an attempt to be too smarkish or something. It was just dumb as fucking hell. Have you seen the pops Holly has gotten since his return? Have you seen the heat Brock has gotten over the past few weeks? So, do tell, HOW will Brock Lesnar get cheered over Holly? The fans have no problem with this angle, the only people who do post here. Hmmmmmmm, why am I not surprised? This folder is a vapid wasteland of wrestling fans as talentless as the hosses they criticize. Just a bunch of poor man's Scott Keiths running around here I see.

Many people get pops when they return after a year layoff, but will Holly be able to sustain that heat? I don't think so. Rhyno didn't. Benoit didn't. And Holly sure as hell won't. Thats a lame-ass excuse. "Did you hear his pops?" Well the Philly fans aren't as forgiving, and I gaurentee the match will be flat

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Seeing as how Holly has been back for a month or so, he seems to be doing a pretty good job. Besides, THAT was not my point, which you conveniently looked over. My point is that the fans will not turn on Holly in favor of Brock, and I don't give a fuck if they are Philly or French fans.

[Guest Goodear]

IF Holly bashes Brock's skull in with a chair, Philadelphia will lap that stuff up in a heartbeat. If there was ever a match to break out the old hardcore rules over this would be it regardless if they blow it off on Smackdown (please, for the love of God) or the Rumble. Putting this thing into a hardcore match will cover a lot of Holly's problems while give Brock a good environment to toss Hardcore down once and for all.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

I said it before in another thread, but Holly/Lesnar would just be stupid.  If they put on that match in Philly, it is going to result in a face turn for Brock.  I don't see why they would put Brock in a position to get cheered.

That is the most, STUPID, ASANINE statement I've read here for awhile, and I've even read the new HHHate threads. I don't know man, that comment was made in an attempt to be too smarkish or something. It was just dumb as fucking hell. Have you seen the pops Holly has gotten since his return? Have you seen the heat Brock has gotten over the past few weeks? So, do tell, HOW will Brock Lesnar get cheered over Holly? The fans have no problem with this angle, the only people who do post here. Hmmmmmmm, why am I not surprised? This folder is a vapid wasteland of wrestling fans as talentless as the hosses they criticize. Just a bunch of poor man's Scott Keiths running around here I see.

From SD spoilers:

 

Hardcore Holly is backstage with Josh Matthews and he tells us he has no other choice but to be there tonight to wrestle to save his career. Crowd sort of pops for Holly

Granted, that is 1 guy's report, but I can't see Holly maintaining huge face heat.

 

My point is that the fans will not turn on Holly in favor of Brock, and I don't give a fuck if they are Philly or French fans.

MSG turned on Rock in favor of Brock, and Holly is nowhere near as liked as Rock.

[haVoc 0]

Seeing as how Holly has been back for a month or so, he seems to be doing a pretty good job.

Last night was his first match and who knows how long he was in the ring.