Alec Baldwin... Idiot

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But associating with PETA, I want most of them screwed harshly up the rear by a horse.

I'm pretty sure for Pam Anderson it wouldn't be the first time. And besides you don't want the horse to catch STDs do you?

 

Your right, I am shamed.

I wasn't thinking of the poor horses having to get near any member of PETA.

 

Also, as bad as these food companies are...we do know in advance the animals will die. I don't like it, but they are dead anyway.

 

But PETA has no right to talk with them killing cats that would go to good homes more than likely just because they don't think people should have pets. I know with my cats, we opened the door and if they wanted in they came in.

 

PETA and all of their members can rot in hell.

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LOS ANGELES (AFP) - Hollywood star Alec Baldwin (news) has appealed to Pope John Paul (news - web sites) II asking him to condemn "shocking cruelty" to animals on factory farms that produce food products, activists said.

I'm sure Alec would love defending his views on unborn human beings to the Church...

[Guest MikeSC]

But associating with PETA, I want most of them screwed harshly up the rear by a horse.

I'm pretty sure for Pam Anderson it wouldn't be the first time. And besides you don't want the horse to catch STDs do you?

To steal a Norm MacDonald line, Pamela's child is only the fourth largest item to pass through her birth canal.

-=Mike

[NoCalMike 0]

I like Mahr, I really wish he would throw out whatever relationship he has with PETA though.

[Some Guy 0]

"They (the animals in factories) are never shown any kindness at all, and any compassionate person can only be appalled at the conditions under which they live and die," the actor wrote

 

Just a question: How much kindness are cows normally shown?

 

Another question: If, according to PETA animals should be free to be wild and live as they normally do why are they adopting stray cats or dogs and then locking them up in their houses while feeding them canned food? Why not let the stray cats live out in the wild like they "should be"?

 

I think PETA should make a stance against having a pet. It would seem consistant with their ficked up and convoluted line of thinking.

 

And another thing, when the Pope talks I don't listen so Alec find someone who has at least a tiny bit of credibilty left to try to get on your side. Someone who presidesover a religion who's preists molest children and then refuses to punish them isn't going to protect animals....well on second thought I guess the Pope oppose the wars on Iraq and Afganistan.

[Kinetic 0]

I'd have to say that owning a domesticated animal would fall under the heading of "ethical," whereas the unapologetic barbarism that takes place in slaughterhouses and various other places where animals are stored prior to being murdered for human consumption would not.

 

What's more, I totally agree with Bill Maher's statement about Christopher Reeves. The fact that he's paralyzed is unfortunate, but he lost that particular battle of wills between himself and the horse. The fact that some people revere him as a hero just because he broke his neck is the real outrage.

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The fact that some people revere him as a hero just because he broke his neck is the real outrage.

 

What I can't stand about ol' Chris is that, during the stem-cell research debate, he blamed Bush for keeping him in his wheelchair.

 

I hope you rot in that chair...

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I'd have to say that owning a domesticated animal would fall under the heading of "ethical," whereas the unapologetic barbarism that takes place in slaughterhouses and various other places where animals are stored prior to being murdered for human consumption would not.

 

What's more, I totally agree with Bill Maher's statement about Christopher Reeves. The fact that he's paralyzed is unfortunate, but he lost that particular battle of wills between himself and the horse. The fact that some people revere him as a hero just because he broke his neck is the real outrage.

He's revered as a hero, not because "he broke his neck", you insensitive fuck, but because of the way he's handled himself since then. They way he came back from such a life shattering tragedy and continued to support the causes he felt strongly for shows a HELL of a lot more intestinal fortitude than anyone on this board has got.

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

I'd have to say that owning a domesticated animal would fall under the heading of "ethical," whereas the unapologetic barbarism that takes place in slaughterhouses and various other places where animals are stored prior to being murdered for human consumption would not.

Animals cannot be murdered, under any conditions... only people can be murdered.

[Guest MikeSC]

"They (the animals in factories) are never shown any kindness at all, and any compassionate person can only be appalled at the conditions under which they live and die," the actor wrote

 

Just a question: How much kindness are cows normally shown?

 

Another question: If, according to PETA animals should be free to be wild and live as they normally do why are they adopting stray cats or dogs and then locking them up in their houses while feeding them canned food? Why not let the stray cats live out in the wild like they "should be"?

Actually, they'd probably just euthanize them if they are an irritance. Nobody said PETA was consistent.

I think PETA should make a stance against having a pet.  It would seem consistant with their ficked up and convoluted line of thinking.

Don't make jokes. They might be reading and might take you seriously.

And another thing, when the Pope talks I don't listen so Alec find someone who has at least a tiny bit of credibilty left to try to get on your side. Someone who presidesover a religion who's preists molest children and then refuses to punish them isn't going to protect animals....well on second thought I guess the Pope oppose the wars on Iraq and Afganistan.

Well, I imagine Alec disagrees with the Pope on almost every issue --- so we're supposed to take him seriously when he agrees with him on one particular issue?

-=Mike

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he came back from such a life shattering tragedy and continued to support the causes he felt strongly for

Yeah, like all his donations to research centers for paralysis and spinal cord injuries before 1995.

 

Please don't make me laugh. Reeve's "support" for the "cause" is purely self-interested and about as praiseworthy as Magic Johnson's interest in a cure for AIDS. Don't ask me to admire them, don't ask me to give a flying fuck about their activism, and unless you think pissing yourself when you see death looming on the horizon is an exercise in courage, shut up about their "intestinal fortitude."

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

he came back from such a life shattering tragedy and continued to support the causes he felt strongly for

Yeah, like all his donations to research centers for paralysis and spinal cord injuries before 1995.

 

Please don't make me laugh. Reeve's "support" for the "cause" is purely self-interested and about as praiseworthy as Magic Johnson's interest in a cure for AIDS. Don't ask me to admire them, don't ask me to give a flying fuck about their activism, and unless you think pissing yourself when you see death looming on the horizon is an exercise in courage, shut up about their "intestinal fortitude."

And if the research he funded led the way to a cure it would ONLY bene fit him, right? He'd hide the secret away forever and never let the others suffering from paralysis in the world get better, huh?

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Hasn't Reeve already found the cure for paralysis through sucking the stem cells out of a fetus? Hasn't he already been banned to the outskirts of the universe in the Kryptonian flying glass square?

[Firestarter 0]

And if the research he funded led the way to a cure it would ONLY bene fit him, right? He'd hide the secret away forever and never let the others suffering from paralysis in the world get better, huh?

How relevant... oh wait, it's not.

 

Christopher Reeve decided to fund research into spinal paralysis when HE was paralysed by a spinal cord injury. Your pretense that his decision to fund spinal paralysis research was a product of his "intestinal fortitude," and that

he came back from... a life shattering tragedy and continued to support the causes he felt strongly for

is a joke. A stupid, ignorant, and baseless joke. "Continued to support" means that he supported "the causes he felt strongly for" BEFORE his "life shattering tragedy." He didn't. He never had anything to do with "the causes (you claim) he felt strongly for" before his "life shattering tragedy." He didn't feel strongly about research into spinal paralysis. He feels strongly about it now because HE'S GOT IT.

 

Jesus Christ, I don't know how much simpler I can make it. But it's not about that, is it? You understand the point very well. You're just pretending you don't because your massive ego can't stand being proven wrong.

 

Too bad, kid. You've already been hung out to dry, so try to take it like a man.

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What I can't stand about ol' Chris is that, during the stem-cell research debate, he blamed Bush for keeping him in his wheelchair.

 

I hope you rot in that chair...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Reeve's "support" for the "cause" is purely self-interested and about as praiseworthy as Magic Johnson's interest in a cure for AIDS.

Or Nancy Reagan's interest in finding a cure for Alzheimer's.

 

 

Oh, TAG!

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I can not believe all the hate for Bill Maher. Doesn't anybody know that he was just trying to be funny. It is called politically incorrect humor. I think Maher is a very funny man and share his views on many issues. You shouldn't just label him as a left wing nut. For those who do, I suggest you read his book When You Ride Alone You Ride With Bin Laden after reading it you will see he is a liberal who loves the United States and has many interesting ideas to improve it.

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Then you didn't read the ARTICLE I posted which it will inform you that he attends PETA events and appears in their ads.

 

Jesus Christ.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

If you ever looked at Maher's message boards, you'd find a lot of PETA-bashing and flaming, actually.

[MrRant 0]

Also.. Christopher Lee can rot in hell.

 

Spokesperson - Christopher Lee - Actor appearing most recently in the "Lord of the Rings" and "Star Wars" trilogies ; Spokesperson for PETA's campaigns against the American Heart Association and the British Heart Foundation

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Some more on PETA from ActivistCash.com:

 

 

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

 

"If we really believe that animals have the same right to be free from pain and suffering at our hands, then, of course we’re going to be, as a movement, blowing things up and smashing windows … I think it’s a great way to bring about animal liberation … I think it would be great if all of the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories, and the banks that fund them exploded tomorrow. I think it's perfectly appropriate for people to take bricks and toss them through the windows ... Hallelujah to the people who are willing to do it."

— Bruce Friedrich, PETA’s vegan campaign coordinator, at the “Animal Rights 2001” conference

 

"Serving a burger to your family today, knowing what we know, constitutes child abuse. You might as well give them weed killer. "

— Toni Vernelli, then-coordinator of PETA’s European operations

 

"Even if animal tests produced a cure for AIDS, we’d be against it."

— PETA president and co-founder Ingrid Newkirk, in the September 1989 issue of Vogue

 

"… the Shining Path of activist groups."

— CNN "Crossfire" host Tucker Carlson

 

"Our nonviolent tactics are not as effective. We ask nicely for years and get nothing. Someone makes a threat, and it works."

— Ingrid Newkirk, in the April 8, 2002 issue of US News & World Report

 

"It may have been ELF, but then, I sometimes get them confused with ALF, the Animal Liberation Front. And then there's Earth First! and PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals). There's a lot of cross-pollination between them, and some people here are probably members of two of those groups, or more."

— Santa Cruz Police Lt. Joe Haebe, speculating about those responsible for a crime spree, in the San Francisco Chronicle, April 11, 2003

 

"We are complete press sluts."

— Ingrid Newkirk, in The New Yorker, April 14, 2003

 

"I will be the last person to condemn ALF [the Animal Liberation Front]."

— Ingrid Newkirk, in the New York Daily News, December 7, 1997

 

"Our campaigns are always geared towards children and they always will be"

— PETA vice president Dan Matthews, on the Fox News Network (December 19, 2003)

 

Background

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has been described as “by far the most successful radical organization in America.” The key word is radical. PETA seeks “total animal liberation,” according to its president and co-founder, Ingrid Newkirk. That means no meat or dairy, of course; but it also means no aquariums, no circuses, no hunting or fishing, no fur or leather, and no medical research using animals. PETA is even opposed to the use of seeing-eye dogs.

 

Amidst the dozens of animal rights organizations, PETA occupies the niche of -- in Newkirk’s own words -- “complete press sluts.” Endlessly seeking media exposure, PETA sends out dozens of press releases every week.

 

In the past, PETA has handled the press for the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), a violent, underground group of fanatics who plant firebombs in restaurants, destroy butcher shops, and torch research labs. The FBI considers ALF among America’s most active and prolific terrorist groups, but PETA compares it to the Underground Railroad and the French Resistance. More than 20 years after its inception, PETA continues to hire convicted ALF militants and funds their legal defense. In at least one case, court records show that Ingrid Newkirk herself was involved in an ALF arson.

 

PETA has even begun to adopt the tactics of an ALF offshoot known as SHAC (Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty). This group is notorious for taking protests outside the boardroom and into the living room, attacking their targets at their homes.

 

PETA began to do this in 2003 when its representatives targeted a fast-food restaurant company. Not content to write letters and picket the chain restaurant’s offices, PETA’s leaders met with the CEO’s pastor, and visited his country club and the manager of one of his favorite restaurants. PETA activists, one dressed in a chicken suit, even protested at the church of two executives, annoying worshipers by driving a truck with giant screens of slaughterhouse video back and forth along the street.

 

In an effort to win more media exposure, PETA has adopted the counter-intuitive tactic of buying stock in restaurant and food companies that serve and sell meat. After buying just enough shares to qualify, PETA’s pattern is to introduce shareholder resolutions that would require animal-rights-oriented practices in the way animals are handled and slaughtered.

 

PETA’s goal as a shareholder, of course, is not to turn a profit. Its resolutions, if passed, would increase the cost of doing business and lower the value of everyone’s investment. The group has claimed that it’s “not trying to remove meat from the menu.” But with a stated long-term goal of “total animal liberation,” pushing for animal-welfare changes is just a first step. PETA’s short-term goals are to economically cripple these companies, force them to increase the retail price of meat, and nudge consumers toward eating less of it.

 

PETA collected more than $16 million in donations in 2002 alone, but few donors understand exactly where their money is going. During the past ten years, PETA has spent four times as much on criminals and their legal defense than it has on shelters, spay-neuter programs, and other efforts that actually help animals.

 

From both a moral and a legal standpoint, there are far too many objectionable things about PETA to list here in detail. But the following “top ten list” is a good start:

 

* PETA is not an animal welfare organization.

PETA spends less than one percent of its multi-million dollar budget actually helping animals. The group euthanized (killed) more than 1,300 cats and dogs in 1999 alone, preferring to spend its money on cheap publicity stunts and criminal defense, rather than finding the animals suitable homes.

 

* PETA assaults common decency.

PETA’s leadership has compared animal farmers to serial killer (and cannibal) Jeffrey Dahmer. They proclaimed in a 2003 exhibit that chickens are as valuable as Jewish Holocaust victims. They announced with a 2001 billboard that a shark attack on a little boy was “revenge” against humans who had it coming anyway. They have branded parents who feed their kids meat and milk “child abusers.” In 2002 PETA organized a campaign to sabotage a popular Thanksgiving hotline, which provides free advice about cooking turkeys. The group has even contemplated (literally) dancing on the grave of Kentucky Fried Chicken’s Colonel Sanders.

 

* PETA receives rock-bottom ratings from charity watchdogs.

Charity Navigator, the nation’s largest nonpartisan evaluator of non-profit organizations, gives PETA a rating of one-star (“poor”). It says PETA “fails to meet industry standards and performs well below most charities in its cause.” PETA’s “Foundation to Support Animal Protection” -- now doing business as “The PETA Foundation” -- was one of just 23 organizations nationwide to receive zero stars (“exceptionally poor”).

 

* PETA peddles its “animal liberation” food agenda through a medical front group that pretends to offer objective nutritional advice.

A group misleadingly named the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) has duped the press into believing that it is an association of conscientious doctors promoting good nutrition. In fact, it is a PETA front group. PCRM and PETA share money, offices, and staff. The American Medical Association calls PCRM a “pseudo-physicians group,” has demanded that PCRM stop its “inappropriate and unethical tactics used to manipulate public opinion,” and argues that PCRM has been “blatantly misleading Americans” and “concealing its true purpose as an animal ‘rights’ organization.”

 

Taking a page out of PETA’s press book, PCRM has labeled U.S. school lunches “weapons of mass destruction” because they include meat and milk. PCRM’s president, a psychiatrist named Neal Barnard, recently duped Newsweek into covering his “study” (of seven people) supposedly demonstrating that a vegan diet helped prevent type-2 diabetes. In 2002, PCRM was cited in major newspapers more than 550 times. It was identified as an animal-rights organization in only a handful of those cases.

 

* PETA exploits sick people.

PETA famously suggested that drinking milk causes cancer, in an advertisement mocking then-NYC Mayor Rudy Guliani with the words “Got Prostate Cancer?” PETA has also erected a billboard reading: “Got Sick Kids? Drinking milk contributes to colic, ear infections, allergies, diabetes, obesity, and many other illnesses.” In 2003 the group held a demonstration in front of a Toronto-area hospital that was under a SARS-related quarantine, spuriously alleging that animal husbandry has something to do with the epidemic’s spread. Upon hearing that Charlton Heston had fallen ill with Alzheimer’s Disease, Ingrid Newkirk suggested that PETA would “toy with the idea that both Alzheimer’s and CJD [Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease] are related to meat consumption.” According to a profile in The New Yorker, she considered “renting billboards that would display a large picture of a gaunt Charlton Heston foaming at the mouth.”

 

* PETA propagandizes children.

PETA’s website for kids puts a skull and crossbones next to the logo of Disney’s Animal Kingdom and tells the horror story of a fast food restaurant employee who “had taken a patty into the potty with her, then returned and said she had peed on it.” It hands out trading cards to kids that allege drinking milk will make them fat, pimply, flatulent, and phlegm-ridden. PETA also has a child-themed website, and a kiddie-oriented magazine, called GRRR! Kids Bite Back. The name is significant, as it is intended to prep children to identify with the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), which has long-used the phrase “bite back” in its promotional materials. In fact, as early as 1991, convicted ALF arsonist and PETA grantee Rodney Coronado was calling his own crime spree “Operation Bite Back.” PETA also sends “humane education lecturer” Gary Yourofsky into high schools -- and even middle schools -- to promote the “animal liberation” agenda. Yourofsky is a convicted ALF criminal who has said he would support burning down medical research labs even if humans were trapped in the flames.

 

* PETA distorts religious teachings.

Not only does PETA oppose the age-old Jewish tradition of Kosher slaughter, but the group’s leaders maintain that Jews have misinterpreted their own sacred texts on the subject. They also claim, ignoring mountains of scripture to the contrary, that Jesus was a vegetarian. PETA celebrated Easter in 2003 with a billboard depicting a pig, reading “he died for your sins.” PETA also insists (again, selectively ignoring contradictory evidence) that Muhammad “was not a meat-eater.” In his speeches to adolescents, Gary Yourofsky regularly compares himself to Gandhi and Jesus Christ. PETA’s in-school presentations include the application of “do unto others as you would have them do unto you” to birds and turtles -- not people.

 

* PETA opposes life-saving medical research.

PETA has repeatedly attacked groups like the March of Dimes, the Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and the American Cancer Society, for conducting animal testing to find cures for birth defects and life-threatening diseases. When asked if she would oppose an experiment on five thousand rats if it would result in a cure for AIDS, Newkirk responded: “Would you be opposed to experiments on your daughter if you knew it would save fifty million people?” In addition to opposing any and all medical research that uses animals, PETA also insults medical professionals by arguing, with a straight face, that animal testing is a counterproductive means of finding cures for human diseases.

 

* PETA devalues human life.

PETA’s efforts to treasure every mosquito and cockroach invariably lead them to hate human beings for using bug spray and RAID. Ingrid Newkirk argues that as human beings, “we’re the biggest blight on the face of the earth.” For more on how PETA devalues human life, click on “Motivation.”

 

* PETA openly supports violence and terrorist activity.

PETA has long-standing ties to militant groups like the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF). The FBI calls these criminal groups a “serious terrorist threat.” For specifics on how PETA supports violence, click on “Black Eye.”

 

Black Eye

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals provides aid and comfort for the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) and the Animal Liberation Front (ALF). The two groups are responsible for more than 600 crimes since 1996, causing (by a very conservative FBI estimate) more than $43 million in damage. ALF’s “press office” brags that in 2002, the two groups committed “100 illegal direct actions” -- like blowing up SUVs, destroying the brakes on seafood delivery trucks, and planting firebombs in restaurants.

 

The FBI calls ALF and ELF the nation’s “most serious domestic terrorism threat.” Bruce Friedrich, PETA’s “vegan campaign director” and third-in-command, didn’t seem to care when he addressed the Animal Rights 2001 convention in Virginia, telling a crowd of over 1,000 activists that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation.”

 

“It would be great,” he added, “if all the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories and the banks who fund them exploded tomorrow.”

 

PETA’s connections to ALF and ELF are indisputable. “We did it, we did it. We gave $1,500 to the ELF for a specific program,” PETA’s Lisa Lange admitted on the Fox News Channel. PETA has offered no fewer than eight different explanations of what the “specific program” was, but law enforcement leaders have noted that since the Earth Liberation Front is a criminal enterprise, it has absolutely no legal “programs” of any kind.

 

PETA also has given $2,000 to David Wilson, then a national ALF “spokesperson.” The group paid $27,000 for the legal defense of Roger Troen, who was arrested for taking part in an October 1986 burglary and arson at the University of Oregon. It gave $7,500 to Fran Stephanie Trutt, who tried to murder the president of a medical laboratory. It gave $5,000 to Josh Harper, who attacked Native Americans on a whale hunt by throwing smoke bombs, shooting flares, and spraying their faces with chemical fire extinguishers. All of these monies were paid out of tax-exempt funds, the same pot of money constantly enlarged by donations from an unsuspecting general public.

 

Most ominously, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk was involved in the multi-million-dollar arson at Michigan State University that resulted in a 57-month prison term for Animal Liberation Front bomber Rodney Coronado. At Coronado’s sentencing hearing, U.S. Attorney Michael Dettmer said that PETA’s Ingrid Newkirk arranged ahead of time to have Coronado send her a pair of FedEx packages from Michigan -- one on the day before he burned the lab down, and the other shortly afterward.

 

The first FedEx, according to the Sentencing Memorandum, was delivered to a woman named Maria Blanton, “a longtime PETA member who had agreed to accept the first Federal Express package from Coronado after being asked to do so by Ingrid Newkirk.” The FBI intercepted the second package, which had been sent to the same address. It contained documents that Coronado stole before lighting his firebombs, as well as “a videotape of the perpetrator of the MSU crime, disguised in a ski mask.” Since Coronado was convicted of the arson, we now know that he himself was that masked man. “Significantly,” wrote U.S. Attorney Dettmer, “Newkirk had arranged to have the package delivered to her days before the MSU arson occurred.” (emphasis in the original)

 

A search warrant executed at Blanton’s home turned up evidence that PETA’s other co-founder, Alex Pacheco, had also been planning burglaries and break-ins along with Rodney Coronado. The feds seized “surveillance logs; code names for Coronado, Pacheco, and others; burglary tools; two-way radios; night vision goggles; [and] phony identification for Coronado and Pacheco.”

 

Shortly after Coronado’s arrest, PETA gave $45,200 to his “support committee” and “loaned” $25,000 to his father (the loan was never repaid and PETA hasn’t complained). Now free from jail, with an expired parole, and with the benefit of an expired Statute of Limitations on his many earlier arsons (to which he readily confesses in his standard stump speech), Coronado stood before a crowd of hundreds of young people at American University in January 2003 and demonstrated how to turn a milk jug into a bomb. A few days later, ALF criminals tried to burn down a McDonald’s restaurant in Chico, California, using a firebomb that matched Coronado’s recipe.

 

The following month, Ingrid Newkirk told ABC News that Rodney Coronado is “a fine young man.”

 

Newkirk wrote a book called Free the Animals! The Untold Story of the U.S. Animal Liberation Front and Its Founder, ‘Valerie.’ In it she writes: “The ALF has, over the years, trusted People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) to receive copies of the evidence of wrongdoing … I have also become somewhat used to jumping on a plane with copies of freshly purloined documents and hurriedly calling news conferences to discuss the ALF’s findings.” Indeed, PETA has held such press conferences just hours after ALF arsons and other break-ins.

 

PETA has published a leaflet called “Animal Liberation Front: the Army of the Kind.” In another pamphlet, “Activism and the Law,” PETA openly offers advice on “burning a laboratory building.”

 

“I will be the last person to condemn ALF,” says Newkirk. And in another interview: “I find it small wonder that the laboratories aren’t all burning to the ground. If I had more guts, I’d light a match.” In ALF’s publication Bite Back (yes, this terrorist group has a newsletter), Newkirk has said: “You can’t have all politeness and patience, all potlucks and epistles … Some people will never budge unless [they are] pushed to budge.”

 

Perhaps Newkirk’s most telling comment, though, came in a 2002 U.S. News & World Report feature. “Our nonviolent tactics are not as effective,” she admitted. “We ask nicely for years and get nothing. Someone makes a threat, and it works.”

 

 

Motivation

According to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, human beings are just another animal species, no more special or important than a snail darter or dairy cow. The group believes, as one commentator put it, that “animal trainers, hunters, fishermen, cattlemen, grocers, and indeed all non-vegetarians are the moral equivalent of cannibals, slave-owners, and death-camp guards.” Newkirk insists that the world would be a better place without people: “Humans have grown like a cancer. We’re the biggest blight on the face of the earth.”

 

While valuing livestock over people may be an indefensible argument, it’s typical of PETA’s overall strategy: to stake out extreme, ridiculous, offensive, and often laughable positions, in order to constantly redefine the edge of what’s considered “acceptable” philosophy and protest activity. Ten years ago, throwing fake blood on a fur coat, agitating for vegan cafeteria food, or objecting to Biology-class dissection were unusual behaviors. Today, these are commonplace -- the radical line is now defined by firebombs, grand theft, stalking of scientists, and bloody physical assaults. For this, PETA deserves much of the blame; its habit of upping the ante of bad taste and shock value has redefined misanthropy and bad taste.

 

For instance, when PETA learned that the photographs of Holocaust victims displayed in its roving exhibit -- entitled “The Holocaust on Your Plate” -- included Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel as a young man at the Buchenwald concentration camp, it shrugged. “Six million people died in concentration camps,” laments Ingrid Newkirk, “but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughterhouses.”

 

When terrorists struck on September 11, 2001, PETA issued a press release emphasizing the “animals left orphaned” and the dogs and cats in nearby buildings who would be “highly traumatized.” The press release berated Mayor Giuliani for his “poor record when it comes to animals” and urged him expend time, energy, and human resources “to set up a task force to locate and rescue animals” at Ground Zero.

 

When Newkirk heard that Palestinian militants had strapped explosives to a donkey in the hopes of exploding it in a crowded Jerusalem street, she faxed a letter to Yasser Arafat, pleading with him to “leave the animals out of it.”

 

When a grisly killing spree in Vancouver left 15 women dead, PETA tried to purchase full-page ads in local papers suggesting that this carnage was no worse than the killing of animals for food.

 

When Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh decided to refrain from eating meat during his last meal, PETA’s Bruce Friedrich told reporters: “Mr. McVeigh’s decision to go vegetarian groups him with some of the world’s greatest visionaries, including Albert Schweitzer, Mohandas Gandhi, Leo Tolstoy and Albert Einstein.”

 

And when images of American POWs brutalized by Saddam’s regime came back from the war zone -- reminding us of mankind’s capacity for barbarism -- PETA loudly fretted that the hens used by the army to detect chemical weapons “never enlisted” and that the dolphins locating deadly mines in the Persian Gulf “have not volunteered.”

 

Having proclaimed the life of a roaster chicken to be as valuable as that of a person trapped inside a collapsing skyscraper or imprisoned in a death camp, a murder victim, a federal worker in Oklahoma City, or an innocent Israeli civilian, PETA continues to place greater value on a dolphin than on a ship packed with American soldiers. “I don't believe that people have the right to life,” Newkirk has said. “That’s a supremacist perversion. A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy.”

 

In this sense, Timothy McVeigh and Osama bin Laden may be seen as heroes to PETA. By taking thousands of humans out of the food chain, they saved far more chickens and cows than they killed people.

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Spokesperson - Christopher Lee - Actor appearing most recently in the "Lord of the Rings" and "Star Wars" trilogies ; Spokesperson for PETA's campaigns against the American Heart Association and the British Heart Foundation

Looking at the web page for that campaign, it seems to be a lot less controversial and nasty than their recent stuff. Mostly just being the voice of a radio spot.

[Hektik 0]

Yeah, he loves animals. Look, I do not really have a stance on animal rights as it is something that I do not look into. I am coming in defense of Maher because I like him and agree with a lot of his views. The only thing I know about PETA is that they are against cruelty to animals and hold a lot of protests. With all that said, can somebody give me a straight answer on why they hate PETA and why they would be referred to as terrorists?

 

Someone posted info about PETA, forget my questions about them.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

With all that said, can somebody give me a straight answer on why they hate PETA and why they would be referred to as terrorists?

PETA has previously given money to the ELF group that set a bunch of car dealerships on fire and other such crap. They also do campaigns that are offensive and an injustice to free speech, such as comparing chicken coops to nazi camps.

 

Comparitively, the ASPCA does more to actually assist animals and less crazy publicity stunts, but almost nobody can remember them outside of Bob Barker reminding people to spay and neuter their pets. PETA is more commonly remembered by the average American but it's done by making everyone associated with PETA look like a slobbering neanderthal.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

When Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh decided to refrain from eating meat during his last meal, PETA’s Bruce Friedrich told reporters: “Mr. McVeigh’s decision to go vegetarian groups him with some of the world’s greatest visionaries, including Albert Schweitzer, Mohandas Gandhi, Leo Tolstoy and Albert Einstein.”

 

Did this leap out to anyone else as particularly offensive and unbelievable, even when dispersed among all those other stories of PETA insanity?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Some more on PETA from ActivistCash.com

Did anyone manage to find a conservative group on that site? Anyone?

[MrRant 0]

At ActivistCash.com, we follow the money -- for you.

 

This site, a part of the ConsumerFreedom.com network, is committed to providing detailed and up-to-date information on where anti-consumer organizations and activists get their money. We have analyzed over 400,000 pages of IRS documents to create this database, and will be adding more information every month.

 

The organizations we track on this site are tax-exempt nonprofits. That means you have the right to know what they're up to -- and tax-exempt foundations are paying their bills.

 

As you read through the site, you may be surprised at some of the connections between these groups and individuals, forming a web of anti-consumer activism -- promoting false science, scare campaigns, inflated public health causes, and sometimes violent anti-consumer "direct actions."

 

But you may be even more shocked at where some of them get their cash:

 

* People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) is using a private foundation called the Foundation to Support Animal Protection to funnel as much as $432,000 to the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), another animal rights group. PCRM in turn falsely promotes itself incorrectly as a medical organization.

 

* Media mogul Ted Turner does more with his money than pay salaries for the Atlanta Braves. His own foundation lavishes over $40 million per year on anti-consumer activist groups including, those who advocate confrontation with police.

 

* The Ben and Jerry's Foundation has given $10,000 to Mothers for Natural Law, a radical anti-food-technology group operated by disciples of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

 

* The Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy, a Minnesota-based activist group, has accepted a $75,000 grant from the Foundation for Deep Ecology for -- and we quote -- "a campaign to end industrial agriculture."

 

* The Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) repeatedly attacks groups for taking industry funding to conduct research. But CSPI itself took $50,000 from the Helena Rubenstein Foundation to fund an attack campaign against the fat substitute Olestra.

 

How do they get away with it? And how do they dupe foundations into handing over the loot?

 

Sometimes the foundations aren't to blame. Grant requests may be sufficiently vague to convince donors to pay for politicized polemics under the guise of "research." But many times, the foundations are not what you would expect them to be.

 

Though they carry names like "Ford," "Hewlett," or "Pew," in reality most of them are no longer controlled by the businesses and families that created them. Well-paid social engineershave since taken the reins. They have their own political agendas -- and often direct big bucks to their friends in the activist world.

 

Sometimes foundation money flows through its initial recipients, and on to others. The Pew Charitable Trusts (money from the Sun Oil Company) and the David and Lucille Packard Foundation (Hewlett-Packard wealth) are just two of the financers of the Tides Foundation -- which in turn funds many of the organizations tracked on this site.

 

There's another reason groups are able to take the money and run: Nobody's been watching them and providing this level of research. Until now.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Yeah, but you missed my point, which is all these family value and other socially conservative groups. I only scratched the surface, but everything I saw when I visited the site was scrutinizing groups with progressive agendas

[Guest JMA]

Shouldn't Rupert Murdoch be on that list?

[MrRant 0]

MADD is on there as well as various activist groups. Also there are different foundations etc.