UBL must have jury trial

[Firestarter 0]

"I've resisted pronouncing a sentence before guilt is found," Dean said in the interview. "I will have this old-fashioned notion that even with people like Osama, who is very likely to be found guilty, we should do our best not to, in positions of executive power, not to prejudge jury trials."

Dean added he is certain most Americans agree with that sentiment.

- CNN story

 

Unfuckingbelievable. He's certain most Americans agree with his sentiments? He's out of his friggin' mind. I think most Americans want UBL slowly pumped full of thousands of very small calibre bullets by President Bush on live television and the tattered corpse nuked a few hundred times. Forget the comparisons to McGovern, forget the comparisons to Mondale. This guy is going to set the new standard for suffering the most crushing defeat in electoral history.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

"...who is very likely to be found guilty" - gee, ya think?

 

He should have went the whole nine yards and called him "Mr. Bin Laden".

 

I think I almost dropped my dinner plate when I heard/saw that.

[Guest Wildbomb 4:20]

Unfuckingbelievable. He's certain most Americans agree with his sentiments? He's out of his friggin' mind. I think most Americans want UBL slowly pumped full of thousands of very small calibre bullets by President Bush on live television and the tattered corpse nuked a few hundred times. Forget the comparisons to McGovern, forget the comparisons to Mondale. This guy is going to set the new standard for suffering the most crushing defeat in electoral history.

 

I think, and dear God hope he does too, that Dean means that the country will put the man to trial, and then punish him with death thousands of times over. Seems similar as to what will eventually happen with ole Saddam. As much as I would pay to see Osama (Usama, however the hell he wants his name spelled this week) murdered in cold blood, I think it's just the way the system works. Nuremburg Trials, I think, would be the legal precedent.

 

As for the most crushing defeat? Nah. Least I hope not.

[Vern Gagne 0]

"...who is very likely to be found guilty" - gee, ya think?

 

He should have went the whole nine yards and called him "Mr. Bin Laden".

 

I think I almost dropped my dinner plate when I heard/saw that.

I wasn't suprised by the comments. Dean obviously wants to get destroyed by Bush, which is why he has no intention of trying to seriously campaign for middle of the road voters.

You say something like this, forget about discussing your faith. That won't make a bit of difference.

[JHawk 0]

Um, I'm confused...

 

Isn't it kind of like American policy that you're innocent until proven guilty?

 

And yet you people chastise Dean, you know, saying we shouldn't be hypocritical about that?

 

Not that Bin Laden isn't guilty as hell, of course, but damn.

[Vern Gagne 0]

If Bin Laden is captured alive, personally I think he should stand trial in front of a military tribunal. So forget about a jury trial. Let the military sentence the bastard to the gallows.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Um, I'm confused...

 

Isn't it kind of like American policy that you're innocent until proven guilty?

 

And yet you people chastise Dean, you know, saying we shouldn't be hypocritical about that?

 

Not that Bin Laden isn't guilty as hell, of course, but damn.

Bin Laden would be a POW not a regular criminal. A jury trial would be putting lots of people in danger. Bin Laden also is not a citizen.

[Styles 0]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The man is NUTS! Looney! Insane! Unstable! Unelecetable!

Edited December 27, 2003 by Jeff Jarrett, God

[Guest JMA]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The man is NUTS! Looney! Insane! Unstable! Unelecetable!

You mean he's like Pat Buchanan?

[Styles 0]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The man is NUTS! Looney! Insane! Unstable! Unelecetable!

You mean he's like Pat Buchanan?

Yup. They're from opposite sides of the spectrum but similar in personality...

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The man is NUTS! Looney! Insane! Unstable! Unelecetable!

You mean he's like Pat Buchanan?

It depends.

 

If Dean loses in the primary, throws a temper tantrum and then still runs as an independent then yes.

[Styles 0]

Just to contain the Dean bashing to one thread, I find this funny for no other reason than the pictures: http://www.wafflepoweredhoward.com/

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Man.

 

He's almost as bad as Clark is with the flip flopping. How does he expect to win a national election when he can't even remember what he stands for?

[teke184 0]

Hey Dean... care to set the record for the least number of electoral votes carried by a Democrat?

 

At least Mondale carried Minnesota and Shriver got Massachussets. Dean will be lucky to pick up Vermont at this rate, no matter HOW much people hate Bush in some areas.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Hey Dean... care to set the record for the least number of electoral votes carried by a Democrat?

 

Nah, there's enough screwed-up states like NY and CA which will go Democrat no matter what.

 

But with that aside, please, please, please let Howie win the Democrat nomination...

[Firestarter 0]

"Libyan leader Moammar Khaddafi has decided to end his weapons of mass destruction program and allow inspectors into his country. Which is of course good news for President Bush: in one week he's disarmed Saddam, Moammar, and Howard Dean."

- Jay Leno, 12/23/03

 

Almost right. The GOP is pretty much out of his range now, but Dean's words are still blowing up in his own face and he keeps shooting himself in the foot with one hand while hacking apart any chance the Democrats might have of winning any offices anywhere in the country with the other. It's like being a witness to a train wreck - it's loud, awful, and inevitable, yet somehow I can't look away. At this point I'm simply watching in a stunned sort of awe, waiting for his next grandly self-destructive gesture. It's not even really schadenfreude. I'm too incredulous and amazed to enjoy this. How can one man be so goddamn stupid in so many ways? Where's our inside man at the campaign, Tyler McClelland? Tyler, is your guy drinking really heavily or something? Did his dog just die? Did he hire Rush Limbaugh's maid? What the hell is going on?

 

Can't you people at least pretend to be marginally electable so we can get some sense of satisfaction from winning?

Edited December 27, 2003 by Cancer Marney

[Lando Griffin 0]

A funny side note: I saw the latest National Review in the store today. The cover has a picture of Dean with the words "Please nominate this man".

[Firestarter 0]

Here it is.

 

[Guest Wildbomb 4:20]

I'd love to read the article too.

 

I do support Dean, but I can't defend everything he does. Everybody screws up. It just seems he does it a lot more often.

 

I really don't want to see Bush in office for yet another term. He had NOTHING going for him until 9/11. Tragic event? Yes. But also gave Bush something to base the rest of his term on. I won't belittle that event; I lost friends on the flights into the Towers. I just don't know what Bush would be able to use as his platform for 2004-2008 if he were re-elected, because I don't think the United States could afford to lose more allies.

 

Anyways, if anybody has a subscription to the National Review, if they'd post the article or PM it to me, it'd be appreciated.

[Dr. Tom 0]

Amazing. A jury trial for Usama bin Laden indeed. A terrorist piece of shit like him doesn't deserve any kind of a trial: he deserves to be executed at halftime of the Super Bowl and have his head mounted on a pike and paraded up and down the streets of NYC and DC. At this point, I don't know if Dean will even get his party's nomination, and I would have considered him a lock a few weeks ago.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

If Bin Laden is captured alive, personally I think he should stand trial in front of a military tribunal.

Sorry, I don't agree with this, or with the Gitmo crap. Not so much for the idea, but because it's just part of how the Executive branch has been muscling it's way around the Judicial branch lately.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean (news - web sites) says the Bush administration missed an opportunity to soften the impact of the country's first mad cow scare and that the American beef industry should receive federal aid to weather the crisis.

 

n a wide-ranging interview with The Associated Press, Dean also said Friday he wants Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) to get the death penalty, seeking to minimize fallout from a New Hampshire newspaper story in which he was quoted as saying the terror leader's guilt should not be prejudged.

 

"As a president, I would have to defend the process of the rule of law. But as an American, I want to make sure he gets the death penalty he deserves," Dean told the AP in a phone interview.

 

The former Vermont governor, who solidly leads the field of Democratic presidential candidates in both polls and money, said he was simply trying to state in The Concord Monitor interview that the process of trying bin Laden needs to be fair and credible.

 

In that interview published Friday, Dean was quoted as saying, "I still have this old-fashioned notion that even with people like Osama, who is very likely to be found guilty, we should do our best not to, in positions of executive power, not to prejudge jury trials."

 

Dean told the AP that sentiment doesn't mean he sympathizes in any way with the al-Qaida leader. "I'm just like every other American, I think the guy is outrageous," he said.

 

 

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ean_interview_6

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"As a president, I would have to defend the process of the rule of law. But as an American, I want to make sure he gets the death penalty he deserves... I'm just like every other American, I think the guy is outrageous"

As an American, I'd hope that any President of mine would act first and foremost as a fellow American, and that he wouldn't see any conflict between acting as an American and acting as President.

 

And "outrageous?" My stars, he's really going out on a limb there! But whoa, hold on. He didn't answer the $64 million question: is UBL truly outrageous, like Jem and the Holograms?!

 

Jesus Christ. "Outrageous" is the best he could do? How about something, anything, that would give a basic idea of whether or not he understands the reality of evil? Shades of Michael Dukakis in the second presidential debate...

 

Bernard Shaw: "Governor, if Kitty Dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer?"

Michael Dukakis: "No I don't, Bernard. I think you know that I've opposed the death penalty during all of my life. I don't see any evidence that it's a deterrent, and I think there are better and more effective ways to deal with violent crime. We've done so in my own state."

 

So I'm confused, JotW, were you trying to come to Dean's rescue here or damn him even more thoroughly than he already has been?

[Firestarter 0]

it's just part of how the Executive branch has been muscling it's way around the Judicial branch lately.

Sorry, could you remind me which court has jurisdiction over international state-sponsored terrorism, and going to war to fight it? Slipped my mind.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

He didn't answer the $64 million question: is UBL truly outrageous, like Jem and the Holograms?!

You have won the thread.

 

Also, I don't think those who AREN'T dead set to vote against him are going to care.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Amazing. A jury trial for Usama bin Laden indeed. A terrorist piece of shit like him doesn't deserve any kind of a trial: he deserves to be executed at halftime of the Super Bowl and have his head mounted on a pike and paraded up and down the streets of NYC and DC. At this point, I don't know if Dean will even get his party's nomination, and I would have considered him a lock a few weeks ago.

I hope Usama gets brought to justice as much as the next guy but killing him would only make him a Marytr.

[Guest SP-1]

Amazing.  A jury trial for Usama bin Laden indeed.  A terrorist piece of shit like him doesn't deserve any kind of a trial: he deserves to be executed at halftime of the Super Bowl and have his head mounted on a pike and paraded up and down the streets of NYC and DC.  At this point, I don't know if Dean will even get his party's nomination, and I would have considered him a lock a few weeks ago.

I hope Usama gets brought to justice as much as the next guy but killing him would only make him a Marytr.

I tend to agree here. While some form of justice is in order here, I'm not sure killing him would do very much to move toward putting terrorism down. Any kind of public execution (and with today's media, it would be exactly that no matter what you call it) would probably serve to ignite a severe hellstorm all over our troops over there.

[2GOLD 0]

Amazing.  A jury trial for Usama bin Laden indeed.  A terrorist piece of shit like him doesn't deserve any kind of a trial: he deserves to be executed at halftime of the Super Bowl and have his head mounted on a pike and paraded up and down the streets of NYC and DC.  At this point, I don't know if Dean will even get his party's nomination, and I would have considered him a lock a few weeks ago.

I hope Usama gets brought to justice as much as the next guy but killing him would only make him a Marytr.

I tend to agree here. While some form of justice is in order here, I'm not sure killing him would do very much to move toward putting terrorism down. Any kind of public execution (and with today's media, it would be exactly that no matter what you call it) would probably serve to ignite a severe hellstorm all over our troops over there.

 

I hate to agree, but I do. We can't kill him if we catch him. We just can't do it.

 

Our best bet? Hope he gets killed by some other country and not us. I know most of us want to watch him die, but we can't do it without making it pure hell on Earth over there.

 

Dean is insane. He's unpredictable. He's a scary scary man. I dunno, I kinda like him for it. I need a good laugh and nothing would make me laugh more than an insane man vs an idiot.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Everyone deserves a trial by jury. Everyone.

 

According to the UN it's a basic human right (see: United Nations' Declaration of Human Rights), and it only makes the United States of America look BETTER to put him to death after a fair trial. I don't understand why anyone would be AGAINST this, it's not like there's some legal loophole that F. Lee Bailey's gonna find to keep his ass from hanging.

[BX 0]

::waits for typical "BLAH BLAH FOOEY UN" retort::