Guest Bottled Black Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 As pointed out earlier by LooseCannon, the Linesman had reported in as eligible, so they blew that call.But the Pass Interference should have stood and since the game can't end on a defensive penalty, they wouldve had another shot at the kick.. Of course they probably wouldve screwed up anyway
Big McLargeHuge Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Jeez, they botched an easy game winning FG. They were meant to lose.
Drury37 Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Jeez, they botched an easy game winning FG. They were meant to lose. This coming from a guy with a San Francisco Giants avatar yeah that team who had the 2002 World Series all rapped up before they forgot to play the rest of Game 6!!! Thanks.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 He's not the one bitching about a bad call.
Guest Salacious Crumb Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Funny to hear so many people bitch about 1 call in the 9ers/Giants game last year. Maybe if your team had scored just one more touchdown in the 2nd half and not let the 9ers make a huge comeback, kicked the field goal right and not offset T.O.'s personal fouls with ones of your own then maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Guest FrigidSoul Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 actually a game can end on off setting penalties.
Guest Salacious Crumb Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 actually a game can end on off setting penalties. Yeah.......... I believe a game can only not end on a defensive penalty.
Drury37 Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 actually a game can end on off setting penalties. Yeah.......... I believe a game can only not end on a defensive penalty. No that is why the NFL apologized because a game cannot end on off setting penalites and people are just bitching about this because this is what this topic is all about!!! Thanks.
CanadianChris Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 actually a game can end on off setting penalties. Yeah.......... I believe a game can only not end on a defensive penalty. No that is why the NFL apologized because a game cannot end on off setting penalites and people are just bitching about this because this is what this topic is all about!!! Thanks. Right. Offsetting penalties, by definition, include a defensive penalty, so the game continues.
Guest FrigidSoul Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 They off-set one another, play is ruled dead. I have seen a game end where there were off-setting penalties.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Damn yankees! vs. Red Sox, ALCS Oct. 1999 Second baseman Chuck Knoblauch stole this series with two plays he didn’t make. In Game 1, he dropped the toss on a 10th-inning force-out at second—but umpire Rick Reed ruled that he had full control of the ball that was, well, rolling on the ground. The next batter hit into an inning-ending double play, and the Yanks went on to win 4–3. In Game 4, the Sox were Knobbed again when Chuck missed a tag on Boston’s Jose Offerman like Skylab missed Manhattan, but ump Tim Tschida made the “out” call anyway. The result? An inning-ending double play, another win for the Yanks. Beantown boiled over, and pissed fans showered the field with beer and garbage. vs. Orioles, ALCS Oct. 1996 Umpire Richie Garcia turned a fly ball into a home run and a 12-year-old into a household name. With Baltimore clinging to a 4–3 lead in the eighth of Game 1, Derek Jeter hit a fly to right that looked catchable to outfielder Tony Tarasco—and everybody else with eyes. Suddenly, seventh-grader Jeffrey Maier reached over the fence and deflected the ball into the stands for a home run, tying the game and sending the Orioles into cardiac arrest. A frantic protest was ignored, though Garcia later admitted that the ball probably wouldn’t have been a home run. Bernie Williams’ no-doubt dinger in the 11th won the game. The Yanks went on to the championship, Maier went on Letterman and Tarasco went on and on complaining, “I didn’t even have to jump to catch it.” Blah, blah, blah… vs. Royals July 1983 At least this one was rescinded. Trailing 4–3 with two outs in the ninth against Kansas City, Royal pain George Brett bitch-slapped Yankee Goose Gossage for a two-run jack. Sometimes-not-drunk Yankee skipper Billy Martin asked rookie ump Tim McLelland to check Brett’s bat. Sure enough, the pine tar extended beyond the 18-inch limit from the knob—a thoroughly common practice. (Martin later admitted he’d been saving this gem for the right occasion.) The ump nullified the homer, and Brett shot out of the dugout like a howitzer. The league eventually KO’d the homer, and the Royals returned to the Bronx, finished the ninth and logged the official win. vs. Dodgers, World Series Oct. 1978 With the Dodgers leading the Series 2–1 and ahead 3–1 in Game 4, Yank Reggie Jackson put his ass on the line—literally—to break up a crucial double play. With one out in the sixth, Thurman Munson was on second and Jackson was on first. Lou Piniella lined a shot to Dodgers shortstop Bill Russell, who alertly dropped and retrieved the ball, stepped on second to force Jackson and fired to first. But Reggie stuck his BUTT out to deflect the throw. The ball careened into right field, enabling Munson to lumber home. The dumbstruck Dodgers went down 4–3 and lost the next four straight. Someone has Yankee issues. I love how he just kind of glosses over the fact that The Royal Pain was in fact breaking a rule
CanadianChris Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Source: http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2003/0106/1488196.html (January 6, 2003) Mike Pereira, the league's director of officiating, said that Okeafor should have been called for pass interference against Giants guard Rich Seubert on the pass after the botched snap. The officiating crew threw three flags against Giants offensive lineman Tam Hopkins for being downfield illegally on the pass, but none on the pass interference. Pereira said if the flag had been thrown for interference there would have been offsetting penalties. The Giants then would have had another opportunity to attempt a game-winning field goal.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Damn yankees! vs. Red Sox, ALCS Oct. 1999 Second baseman Chuck Knoblauch stole this series with two plays he didn’t make. In Game 1, he dropped the toss on a 10th-inning force-out at second—but umpire Rick Reed ruled that he had full control of the ball that was, well, rolling on the ground. The next batter hit into an inning-ending double play, and the Yanks went on to win 4–3. In Game 4, the Sox were Knobbed again when Chuck missed a tag on Boston’s Jose Offerman like Skylab missed Manhattan, but ump Tim Tschida made the “out” call anyway. The result? An inning-ending double play, another win for the Yanks. Beantown boiled over, and pissed fans showered the field with beer and garbage. vs. Orioles, ALCS Oct. 1996 Umpire Richie Garcia turned a fly ball into a home run and a 12-year-old into a household name. With Baltimore clinging to a 4–3 lead in the eighth of Game 1, Derek Jeter hit a fly to right that looked catchable to outfielder Tony Tarasco—and everybody else with eyes. Suddenly, seventh-grader Jeffrey Maier reached over the fence and deflected the ball into the stands for a home run, tying the game and sending the Orioles into cardiac arrest. A frantic protest was ignored, though Garcia later admitted that the ball probably wouldn’t have been a home run. Bernie Williams’ no-doubt dinger in the 11th won the game. The Yanks went on to the championship, Maier went on Letterman and Tarasco went on and on complaining, “I didn’t even have to jump to catch it.” Blah, blah, blah… vs. Royals July 1983 At least this one was rescinded. Trailing 4–3 with two outs in the ninth against Kansas City, Royal pain George Brett bitch-slapped Yankee Goose Gossage for a two-run jack. Sometimes-not-drunk Yankee skipper Billy Martin asked rookie ump Tim McLelland to check Brett’s bat. Sure enough, the pine tar extended beyond the 18-inch limit from the knob—a thoroughly common practice. (Martin later admitted he’d been saving this gem for the right occasion.) The ump nullified the homer, and Brett shot out of the dugout like a howitzer. The league eventually KO’d the homer, and the Royals returned to the Bronx, finished the ninth and logged the official win. vs. Dodgers, World Series Oct. 1978 With the Dodgers leading the Series 2–1 and ahead 3–1 in Game 4, Yank Reggie Jackson put his ass on the line—literally—to break up a crucial double play. With one out in the sixth, Thurman Munson was on second and Jackson was on first. Lou Piniella lined a shot to Dodgers shortstop Bill Russell, who alertly dropped and retrieved the ball, stepped on second to force Jackson and fired to first. But Reggie stuck his BUTT out to deflect the throw. The ball careened into right field, enabling Munson to lumber home. The dumbstruck Dodgers went down 4–3 and lost the next four straight. Someone has Yankee issues. I love how he just kind of glosses over the fact that The Royal Pain was in fact breaking a rule Maybe they're busy concentrating on how the Yankees FAILED to win the game. In all seriousness though, KO is a really bad choice of words. It makes it seem like they disallowed it, when in fact they allowed it (I think). The incident reminds me of a tale sometime back (don't remember the year) where a player exploited a technicality in the rulebook which didn't specify that a runner had to go back to the base after a foul ball. The runner promptly set up five feet from home, and scored on the play
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 I'd also add that AL president Lee MacPhail felt the regulation was too vauge.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Damn yankees! vs. Red Sox, ALCS Oct. 1999 Second baseman Chuck Knoblauch stole this series with two plays he didn’t make. In Game 1, he dropped the toss on a 10th-inning force-out at second—but umpire Rick Reed ruled that he had full control of the ball that was, well, rolling on the ground. The next batter hit into an inning-ending double play, and the Yanks went on to win 4–3. In Game 4, the Sox were Knobbed again when Chuck missed a tag on Boston’s Jose Offerman like Skylab missed Manhattan, but ump Tim Tschida made the “out” call anyway. The result? An inning-ending double play, another win for the Yanks. Beantown boiled over, and pissed fans showered the field with beer and garbage. vs. Orioles, ALCS Oct. 1996 Umpire Richie Garcia turned a fly ball into a home run and a 12-year-old into a household name. With Baltimore clinging to a 4–3 lead in the eighth of Game 1, Derek Jeter hit a fly to right that looked catchable to outfielder Tony Tarasco—and everybody else with eyes. Suddenly, seventh-grader Jeffrey Maier reached over the fence and deflected the ball into the stands for a home run, tying the game and sending the Orioles into cardiac arrest. A frantic protest was ignored, though Garcia later admitted that the ball probably wouldn’t have been a home run. Bernie Williams’ no-doubt dinger in the 11th won the game. The Yanks went on to the championship, Maier went on Letterman and Tarasco went on and on complaining, “I didn’t even have to jump to catch it.” Blah, blah, blah… vs. Royals July 1983 At least this one was rescinded. Trailing 4–3 with two outs in the ninth against Kansas City, Royal pain George Brett bitch-slapped Yankee Goose Gossage for a two-run jack. Sometimes-not-drunk Yankee skipper Billy Martin asked rookie ump Tim McLelland to check Brett’s bat. Sure enough, the pine tar extended beyond the 18-inch limit from the knob—a thoroughly common practice. (Martin later admitted he’d been saving this gem for the right occasion.) The ump nullified the homer, and Brett shot out of the dugout like a howitzer. The league eventually KO’d the homer, and the Royals returned to the Bronx, finished the ninth and logged the official win. vs. Dodgers, World Series Oct. 1978 With the Dodgers leading the Series 2–1 and ahead 3–1 in Game 4, Yank Reggie Jackson put his ass on the line—literally—to break up a crucial double play. With one out in the sixth, Thurman Munson was on second and Jackson was on first. Lou Piniella lined a shot to Dodgers shortstop Bill Russell, who alertly dropped and retrieved the ball, stepped on second to force Jackson and fired to first. But Reggie stuck his BUTT out to deflect the throw. The ball careened into right field, enabling Munson to lumber home. The dumbstruck Dodgers went down 4–3 and lost the next four straight. Someone has Yankee issues. I love how he just kind of glosses over the fact that The Royal Pain was in fact breaking a rule Maybe they're busy concentrating on how the Yankees FAILED to win the game. In all seriousness though, KO is a really bad choice of words. It makes it seem like they disallowed it, when in fact they allowed it (I think). I'm fairly sure he meant "OK'd"
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Ah. That makes much more sense.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 I'd also add that AL president Lee MacPhail felt the regulation was too vauge. Wasn't the rule that pine tar can't extend more than eighteen inches from the handle? Isn't that kind of straight forward?
Spaceman Spiff Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 How about the pass interference in the Fiesta Bowl between Miami and Ohio State? I'm surprised no bitter Hurricanes fan has mentioned it yet. It was probably a penalty, but the refs had been calling a pretty loose game, and letting the players play. Add in the fact that the ref had to think.....think......think.....wait.......wait......and then throw a flag. If it was such an obvious call, throw the flag right away. If you've got to re-play the play in your head to decide, don't throw the flag, because there's a chance you could get the details wrong. Grrrrrr......
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 I'd also add that AL president Lee MacPhail felt the regulation was too vauge. Wasn't the rule that pine tar can't extend more than eighteen inches from the handle? Isn't that kind of straight forward? I don't have all the details, but besides the issue of pine tar, the penalty of the rule could be in doubt. I'd really have to take a detailed look into the incident.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 I'd also add that AL president Lee MacPhail felt the regulation was too vauge. Wasn't the rule that pine tar can't extend more than eighteen inches from the handle? Isn't that kind of straight forward? I don't have all the details, but besides the issue of pine tar, the penalty of the rule could be in doubt. I'd really have to take a detailed look into the incident. http://www.thebaseballpage.com/past/pp/bre...rge_pinetar.htm Acknowledging that Brett had pine tar too high on the bat, McPhail explained that it was the league's belief that "game's should be won and lost on the playing field-not through technicalities of the rules." Good to know.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 I have to agree. Did the pine tar really help Brett hit that home run?
Rob E Dangerously Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 I think another issue with that is the fact that Martin waited until that homer to mention it. When in fact, he knew it all along. Also, the pine tar rule was put into place not as a way to stop cheating, but a cost-cutting manuever when it came to baseballs. One interesting thing in the chaos, Royals pitcher Gaylord Perry was ejected after trying to leave with the bat. Perry was more successful in hiding his 'sharp curve'
Guest Anglesault Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 I have to agree. Did the pine tar really help Brett hit that home run? Does an emery ball really help the pitcher's chances? The point is the rule is there for some reason. It should always be enforced, not just when the AL President feels like it. If he wanted to dump the rule, he should have let the umpire's decision stand and then made his statement about how rules are just a hindrance and from that point on wouldn't be acknowledged. I think another issue with that is the fact that Martin waited until that homer to mention it. When in fact, he knew it all along. Is there a rule in the book similar to the Torre/Orioles thing this year that prevents that?
JHawk Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 How about the pass interference in the Fiesta Bowl between Miami and Ohio State? I'm surprised no bitter Hurricanes fan has mentioned it yet. It was probably a penalty, but the refs had been calling a pretty loose game, and letting the players play. Add in the fact that the ref had to think.....think......think.....wait.......wait......and then throw a flag. If it was such an obvious call, throw the flag right away. If you've got to re-play the play in your head to decide, don't throw the flag, because there's a chance you could get the details wrong. Grrrrrr...... Should I even mention the bullshit call that led to the Miami field goal that sent the game into overtime in the first place? If they get that one right, the Buckeyes would have won before that call was ever made.
The Amazing Rando Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 I hadn't read this thread till just now... but I am glad to see "The Great Snow Con" make the list... I actually laughed for a good 10 minutes the first time I saw that.
Guest Bottled Black Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Does an emery ball really help the pitcher's chances? Actually yes it does by altering the surface of the ball it affects the rotation of the pitch which can make the ball do all types of ridiculous movement.
LooseCannon25 Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 How about the pass interference in the Fiesta Bowl between Miami and Ohio State? I'm surprised no bitter Hurricanes fan has mentioned it yet. Damnitt.....you're right. That was one of the biggest bullshit callas ever. To top it off they took about 4 hours to throw the flag when Miami is already celebrating. It's a travesty when a referee can take a National Championship away from you with a dumb call like that.
Big McLargeHuge Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 Jeez, they botched an easy game winning FG. They were meant to lose. This coming from a guy with a San Francisco Giants avatar yeah that team who had the 2002 World Series all rapped up before they forgot to play the rest of Game 6!!! Thanks. Why bring the SF Giants up? I wasn't being malicious. It's the truth. And I didn't even watch the Series that year (02) because I was very much aware that we were gonna lose. All the powers in the universe weren't gonna bring us a WS championship.
Drury37 Posted January 12, 2004 Report Posted January 12, 2004 Jeez, they botched an easy game winning FG. They were meant to lose. This coming from a guy with a San Francisco Giants avatar yeah that team who had the 2002 World Series all rapped up before they forgot to play the rest of Game 6!!! Thanks. Why bring the SF Giants up? I wasn't being malicious. It's the truth. And I didn't even watch the Series that year (02) because I was very much aware that we were gonna lose. All the powers in the universe weren't gonna bring us a WS championship. You started it pal but we can drop it. Thanks.
Agent_Bond34 Posted January 12, 2004 Report Posted January 12, 2004 Jeez, they botched an easy game winning FG. They were meant to lose. This coming from a guy with a San Francisco Giants avatar yeah that team who had the 2002 World Series all rapped up before they forgot to play the rest of Game 6!!! Thanks. No need for you to bring up something completely irrelevant to what he was talking about. Besides, he's right. If you botch a game-winning FG like that, you deserve to lose. On top of that, the Giants didn't even deserve to win that game anyways, given the fact that they blew a 24-point-lead. Any time you do shit like that, you deserve the loss.
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