the biggest question...

[Guest Mosaicv2]

WATS THE FUCKIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RAP & HIP HOP?!!! REPLY NOW REPLY NOW!!

[Nighthawk 0]

Hip hop is the entire culture, encompasing rap, breakdancing, graffiti (although that's more of a Latino thing) ... clothes, hair, whatever, the whole thing. Rap is the music of the hip hop culture.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

But don't they give awards for like, Best Hip-Hop whatever?

 

I could be wrong, but I thought they did...

[Nighthawk 0]

The term is often used to talk about the music, but sort of incorrectly. It's right in a way, because hip hop music is rap.

[razazteca 0]

There is no difference its the same thing. It's like saying whats the difference between rock and metal.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

No it's not, because I can almost guarantee you that in at least 20 minutes, Laz will have posted a 7-paragraph rant describing all the subtle differences between rock and metal.

 

To be less subtle - Metal is heavier and (generally speaking) less mainstream. There is a difference.

 

The worst part is, I *knew* someone was going to bring that up....

Edited January 21, 2004 by The Metal Maniac

[Guest Krazy Karter]

To add to the conversation:

 

Why is "Rhythm & Blues" used to describe Beyonce, Mary J. Blige, etc.?

[razazteca 0]

To add to the conversation:

 

Why is "Rhythm & Blues" used to describe Beyonce, Mary J. Blige, etc.?

Bouncy is Pop and Mary is New Jack.

[Guest Krazy Karter]

To add to the conversation:

 

Why is "Rhythm & Blues" used to describe Beyonce, Mary J. Blige, etc.?

Bouncy is Pop and Mary is New Jack.

I know, but going by the grammy award nominations and music charts.

[razazteca 0]

My point is there is no need to argue over little differences of the splinter groups in genres. Today there are so many artists combining several different influences, that it is getting harder to define an artist as _______.

 

Rap is a part of the bigger genre of Hip-Hop.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Yeah, but if I told someone like, say, AoO that there was this band I listen to, called Blind Guardian, and they were a metal band, he'd have to waste all that time going out, downloading their tracks, and listening to them before he realized that they were power metal..

 

It's much faster to just say that they're power metal.

 

Genres and sub-genres are necessary to a degree.

[razazteca 0]

To me there are 3 types of metal:

 

1)glam hair

2)angry yelling where you cannot understand the lyrics

3) Nu-metal Linkin Park types.

[Ravenbomb 0]

next big genre: Death Polka

[razazteca 0]

I saw a budweiser commercial that had a Tex-Mex band play metal...

[Red Baron 0]

To me there are 3 types of metal:

 

1)glam hair

2)angry yelling where you cannot understand the lyrics

3) Nu-metal Linkin Park types.

Lets see where Iron Maiden fits what are Raz descriptions.

 

 

1.) Glam Metal: Um...no. Iron Maiden was big in the 80's but were never associated with the Glam Metal, but some of the so call "writers" like to lump them with Poison, Ratt and Motley Crue. Iron Maiden was never about, party, girls, and catchy pop songs.

 

2.) Bad Un-hearable vocals: Well can you understand what Bruce is singing about?

 

3.) Nu-Metal/Linkin Park poseurs: Hah.

[razazteca 0]

Iron Maiden is the bench mark of early 80's metal no need to label them as anything else other than metal.

 

As for Rap its either gangsta/thug or regional.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

As for Rap its either gangsta/thug or regional.

So what do you do with Public Enemy, Mos Def, Tribe Called Quest, Run-DMC, Rakim, and a million others? Would they just be "general rap," like you put Maiden as general metal?

 

I don't think rap really needs many classification beyond a few particular aesthetic labels, but strictly classifying as gangsta or East Coast/Dirty South/etc. leaves a lot out. I mean, I'd put Dr. Dre down as both West Coast style and gangsta. Run-DMC couldn't really be called either, unless you want to call them East Coast just cause they live there.

[ant_7000 0]

Shit, I had posted what I was going to say then it erased. But anyway, Im Hip Hop so I could answer any other questions on it. Hip Hop Culture consists of imo:

 

Rapping

Dj'ing

Break Dancing/other forms of dancing

graffitti

Fashion

weed smoking

language/slang

singing, I guess since R&B is linked to hip hop

 

Rap has Sub genres:

 

Gangsta/Hardocore Rap

Conscious/Social Political Rap

Mainstream/Pop Rap

Crunk Rap

Horrorcore Rap

 

Styles of Rap:

 

East Coast Rap: more focus on the Fundemental aspects of rap

 

West Coast Rap: P-Funk influenced, lay back style

 

Southern Rap: Bounce and heavy on bass.

 

Midwest: Speed Rap delivery

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Pretty much agree with IDRM and ant on this, although when did "Midwest rap" get its own section -- I've been out of the game for a few years now.

 

BTW: What's your favorite "area" of rap? (Doesn't mean you have to hate the other styles.) I've always been partial to East Coast...

[Red Baron 0]

Crunk?

 

I don't even think i've even heard of that word

 

 

 

elaborate it to me

[ant_7000 0]

Crunk?

 

I don't even think i've even heard of that word

 

 

 

elaborate it to me

I've explained it before in here somewhere, Crunk is a Southern (now universal) slang for Party term to anything Party related. Crunk music is Party themed subject matter, Lil Jon says Crunk Rap is similar to Punk Rock, Crunk music consists of Heavy Bass beats, alot of Chanting, Call and Response, and Mosh Pit style dancing.

[razazteca 0]

Crunk?

 

I don't even think i've even heard of that word

 

 

 

elaborate it to me

Lil Jon and the Eastside Boys are the self proclaimed kings of Crunk! Its a Dirty South thing.

 

BTW: What's your favorite "area" of rap? (Doesn't mean you have to hate the other styles.) I've always been partial to East Coast...

I prefer the South myself. ATL and Florida sound has produces such great groups such as Dungeon Family, 2 Live Crew, DJ Magic Mike, Lil Jon. ITS ALL ABOUT THE BOOTY!

 

Midwest: Speed Rap delivery

Cleveland and St. Louis? Bone Thugs, Nelly, Luniz?

[Steviekick 0]

Crunk?

 

I don't even think i've even heard of that word

 

 

 

elaborate it to me

I've explained it before in here somewhere, Crunk is a Southern (now universal) slang for Party term to anything Party related. Crunk music is Party themed subject matter, Lil Jon says Crunk Rap is similar to Punk Rock, Crunk music consists of Heavy Bass beats, alot of Chanting, Call and Response, and Mosh Pit style dancing.

I'd love to see the pit at a crunk show. I didn't know about that.

 

KRS-One best describes the rap/hip hop debate. Here is what he said during an interview I found on theonion.com :

 

he fact that everyone believes that all of hip-hop is rap music, and that, when you say "hip-hop," it's synonymous with rap. That when you say "hip-hop," you should be thinking about breakdancing, graffiti art, or MCing—which is the proper name for rap—DJing, beat-boxing, language, fashion, knowledge, trade. You should be thinking about a culture when you say, "hip-hop." I think that hip-hop should be spelled with a capital "H," and as one word. It's the name of our culture, and it's the name of our identity and consciousness. I think hip-hop is not a product, but a culture. I think rap is a product, but when hip-hop becomes a product, that's slavery, because you're talking about people's souls. To me, that's the biggest problem.

[ant_7000 0]

Crunk?

 

I don't even think i've even heard of that word

 

 

 

elaborate it to me

I've explained it before in here somewhere, Crunk is a Southern (now universal) slang for Party term to anything Party related. Crunk music is Party themed subject matter, Lil Jon says Crunk Rap is similar to Punk Rock, Crunk music consists of Heavy Bass beats, alot of Chanting, Call and Response, and Mosh Pit style dancing.

I'd love to see the pit at a crunk show. I didn't know about that.

 

KRS-One best describes the rap/hip hop debate. Here is what he said during an interview I found on theonion.com :

 

he fact that everyone believes that all of hip-hop is rap music, and that, when you say "hip-hop," it's synonymous with rap. That when you say "hip-hop," you should be thinking about breakdancing, graffiti art, or MCing—which is the proper name for rap—DJing, beat-boxing, language, fashion, knowledge, trade. You should be thinking about a culture when you say, "hip-hop." I think that hip-hop should be spelled with a capital "H," and as one word. It's the name of our culture, and it's the name of our identity and consciousness. I think hip-hop is not a product, but a culture. I think rap is a product, but when hip-hop becomes a product, that's slavery, because you're talking about people's souls. To me, that's the biggest problem.

Yeah, go to a club that'll play alot of Crunk music especially in the South where Crunk is huge, you'll see elbows flying, sholving, and foot stomping. KRS One is right thou Rap industry has become a product and not an artform. Rap is too tainted and saturated now by the labels execs and stylists.

[Steviekick 0]

Damn. I have to go to a crunk club.

[Nighthawk 0]

Yeah, you should go, it's fun. Better than raves anyway.

The south is my favorite rap "area" as well.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Yeah, go to a club that'll play alot of Crunk music especially in the South where Crunk is huge, you'll see elbows flying, sholving, and foot stomping. KRS One is right thou Rap industry has become a product and not an artform. Rap is too tainted and saturated now by the labels execs and stylists.

 

Busta Rhymes also noted in the Leaders of the New School album "TIME" that "Rap is business music -- hip-hop is cultural music."

 

And what has DJ Magic Mike done since Bass Bowl?...

[ant_7000 0]

Yeah, you should go, it's fun. Better than raves anyway.

The south is my favorite rap "area" as well.

Or go to a Lil Jon and Eastside Boyz or a Youngbloodz concert.

[ant_7000 0]

Yeah, go to a club that'll play alot of Crunk music especially in the South where Crunk is huge, you'll see elbows flying, sholving, and foot stomping. KRS One is right thou Rap industry has become a product and not an artform. Rap is too tainted and saturated now by the labels execs and stylists.

 

Busta Rhymes also noted in the Leaders of the New School album "TIME" that "Rap is business music -- hip-hop is cultural music."

 

And what has DJ Magic Mike done since Bass Bowl?...

I haven't heard anything from Dj Magic Mike in a really long time. In Mainstream Rap its all product, Im appreciating Underground Rap even more now then ever. Hell, now rap battles are on Mtv hosted by Carson Daly WTF? Just tainted I tell ya.

[razazteca 0]

I remember back in the day when I 1st heard "Drop the Bass" on the radio............good times.

 

I think the last CD from DJ Magic Mike that I bought was the one single he did with Sir Mix Alot.