Spicy McHaggis 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2004 Yeah, so? If unelectable candidates always win primaries, how is anyone elected? Unelectablae candidates don't always come out of the primaries. Bush beat the more moderate McCain and still beat Gore. I'm just talking about why Lieberman doesn't stand a chance in this current environment. The Dems have 6+ guys to choose from, they've had to sit through 3+ years of torture with George Bush. Do you really think that, in these early goings of the nomination process, that the guy MOST like Bush (Lieberman) is going to fair well among the anrgy left? Oh, I totally agree... I'm just pointing out how stupid the whole process is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2004 Unless the economy tanks again, we got 4 more years of shrubbery HELLO? JOBS? Maybe you missed the part where the stock market took a bit of a dive when analysts expected 100,000 new jobs to be created in the December job report, and it was revealed that only 1,000 were made. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2004 Maybe you missed the part where the stock market took a bit of a dive... Uh... it's at a three year high right now, isn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2004 It's different for a sitting President...the guy's been in office for the last three years. You think people can't form an informed opinion of Bush based on his record? Dean had, what, 40% in Iowa two weeks ago? Two weeks of people questioning his record and it dropped to 18. Do you think Kerry's numbers won't PLUMMET the moment HIS record enters the discussion? -=Mike This is true. Kerry is a VERY liberal Democrat - probably on the level of Kennedy or worse. It's going to be ridiculously easy for Republicans to use his own voting record against him. Of course, when Karl Rove decides to take the gloves off and start pulling out the dirty tricks, Kerry's probably sunk. This is inadvertently hilarious. As if Kerry is sure to win the White House, but for that evil ogre Karl Rove! Curses, foiled again! QUOTE (Jobber of the Week @ Jan 26 2004, 09:18 PM) Maybe you missed the part where the stock market took a bit of a dive... Uh... it's at a three year high right now, isn't it? And Lord knows the market was a good enough indicator of the economy when Clinton was president..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2004 If you like Lieberman because of his stance on the war, then why not just stick with Bush? It's not like Bush is an out of control right winger or anything. I'm a Democrat, but all the other Demo candidates are various combinations of liberal pandering nutcases that it doesn't leave much of a choice. I really like Lieberman because he matches the reasons I like Bush yet also has better positions on the points I disagree with Bush. Lieberman like Bush is strong on defense, fighting the war on terror, support of Iraq/the troops, not pandering to the UN to make decisions, supports a broad middle class tax cut rather than revoking the tax cuts and is a man of character that embraces his religion and is not afraid of supporting faith based programs. At the same time Lieberman also is a strong supporter of Roe v Wade, strong on gun control, strong on the enviornment and protecting our air and reserves and is even open to civil unions (for those of you who seem to care about that type of thing). So as you can see there are many positions, mostly social that Lieberman disagrees with Bush on. Unlike some of the other candidates Joe is a good humored, mild tempered man with the expirience and convictions to run the country. The only big complaint I hear about him around these parts are his sometimes vocal stance against violence in the media, to which I say there is no candidate who would not take that position, and is not going to be something that drastically changes if he became president. So it's really a lot of talk. Anyway, I encourage all Democrats who are not happy with Dean or Kerry, and have more moderate positions to please consider Joe. He proudly campaigns that he has been told by a source that Bush is most afraid to run against him since he can't portray him as weak on defense and weak on morals like he could the other candidates. But, yes, in the most likely scenario that someone else gets the nomination, Bush has my vote. But until then, I'll support Joe! Just as a reference, here are some comaprisons from that AOL poll: Lieberman vs. Bush: http://www.presidentmatch.com/Compare.jsp2...t=7|10&invoker= Lieberman vs. Kerry: http://www.presidentmatch.com/Compare.jsp2...t=5|7|&invoker= Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2004 I have a hard time voting for enviro or antigun wackos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2004 Maybe you missed the part where the stock market took a bit of a dive... Uh... it's at a three year high right now, isn't it? Isn't the stock market connected, at best, tangentially to the state of the economy-as-a-whole? I seem to remember this from AP Macro. The place where this administration is vulnerable on the economy is perception - people are still out of work. We can say that technically the economy is on an upswing, but it won't mean a lot to many people until they're actually seeing results. The tax cut was nice, but it's not going to be enough for most people - job growth is there, but it's very, very slight. This is of course anecdotal - I haven't followed much polling - but with people leaving the workforce and attempting to start up their own businesses, most of which will fail within 3 years, the public seems to be taking notice of the problems, trying to solve them, and perhaps not having that much luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2004 Maybe you missed the part where the stock market took a bit of a dive... Uh... it's at a three year high right now, isn't it? Isn't the stock market connected, at best, tangentially to the state of the economy-as-a-whole? I seem to remember this from AP Macro. Yeah, pretty much. But he referenced a dive that was easily regained today, and hell, Alan Greenspan agrees that the outsourcing has happened before with Japan and Mexico and that we'll recover those jobs soon enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2004 Maybe you missed the part where the stock market took a bit of a dive... Uh... it's at a three year high right now, isn't it? Isn't the stock market connected, at best, tangentially to the state of the economy-as-a-whole? I seem to remember this from AP Macro. Yeah, pretty much. But he referenced a dive that was easily regained today, and hell, Alan Greenspan agrees that the outsourcing has happened before with Japan and Mexico and that we'll recover those jobs soon enough. It has, but it hasn't been so many white-collar jobs. Sounds elitist, but it's a big deal. Though really, I don't think the outsourcing problem is really the fault of the Bush administration. To create any sort of subsidy that would really incentivize companies to keep jobs here would require a lot of ambition and a shitload of help from Congress. I think the biggest problem is that what this administration has done so far to fix it hasn't succeeded on the nearly the level desired. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 27, 2004 What do you mean by this, Mike? Lieberman is campaigning on the fact that unlike the other Dems he's stuck to his positions and because he is the most moderate, Bush is the most afraid of running against him. BEFORE 2000, he was VERY MUCH for school choice. He turned on that when he ran with Gore. He was for MSA --- he changed that. He was Social Security privitization --- he changed that. He sold his soul when he ran with Gore. 2000 has KILLED his legitimacy --- and his embracing of censorship is ANOTHER problem. If anything Clark is the one with no core principals. Lieberman is a man of principles, it's just some happen to be similar to those of the president but instead of embracing that as a startegy to win, the party is looking to go in the opposite direction. Clark is just as bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Mr. Dean, a former Vermont senator, has been the most outspoken in his opposition to the Iraq war, but the issue has also been hammered home by other candidates. Wow, that's some good reporting. It should've read: Dr. Dean, a former Vermont governor, has been the most outspoken in his opposition to the Iraq war, but the issue has also been hammered home by other candidates. Someone needs a new fact checker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
