Why so many German suplexes?

[Guest KidKrash]

Is Benoit unoriginal for taking the crossface from Dean, headbut from Dynamite and Sharpshooter from Stu Hart?

When Dean and Benoit were in the same fed one of Dean's signature moves wasn't a crossface. I don't recall Benoit and Dynamite being around at the same time together and Benoit's said before that Dynamite was his idol so it was a tribute. Benoit never used it at the same time Bret did I believe and now he does it as a tribute to the Harts.

 

Angle started doing it right after Benoit left and still does it now. It was cute when he did it when they were feuding but...

[Guest Anglesault]

Is Benoit unoriginal for taking the crossface from Dean, headbut from Dynamite and Sharpshooter from Stu Hart?

When Dean and Benoit were in the same fed one of Dean's signature moves wasn't a crossface. I don't recall Benoit and Dynamite being around at the same time together and Benoit's said before that Dynamite was his idol so it was a tribute. Benoit never used it at the same time Bret did I believe and now he does it as a tribute to the Harts.

How can we tell when something is a tribute and something's just a rip off?

 

And Kurt is unoriginal because he does the Germans and....?

[Guest KidKrash]

Is Benoit unoriginal for taking the crossface from Dean, headbut from Dynamite and Sharpshooter from Stu Hart?

When Dean and Benoit were in the same fed one of Dean's signature moves wasn't a crossface. I don't recall Benoit and Dynamite being around at the same time together and Benoit's said before that Dynamite was his idol so it was a tribute. Benoit never used it at the same time Bret did I believe and now he does it as a tribute to the Harts.

How can we tell when something is a tribute and something's just a rip off?

 

And Kurt is unoriginal because he does the Germans and....?

How can we tell? Gee I dunno, maybe when Benoit has said profusely that he admires Bret and Dynamite.

 

Kurt's unoriginality and ripping off of the multiple germans not only kills the move, creates this unecessary repetition, and it takes away from the originality of another superstar just to make him look good.

 

I really wish Kurt WOULD retire. I wouldn't miss him a damn bit. I'm sick of him crying about his neck every other minute about how serious it is. If it was that serious the guy would be gone like Austin.

[Guest Anglesault]

Is Benoit unoriginal for taking the crossface from Dean, headbut from Dynamite and Sharpshooter from Stu Hart?

When Dean and Benoit were in the same fed one of Dean's signature moves wasn't a crossface. I don't recall Benoit and Dynamite being around at the same time together and Benoit's said before that Dynamite was his idol so it was a tribute. Benoit never used it at the same time Bret did I believe and now he does it as a tribute to the Harts.

How can we tell when something is a tribute and something's just a rip off?

 

And Kurt is unoriginal because he does the Germans and....?

How can we tell? Gee I dunno, maybe when Benoit has said profusely that he admires Bret and Dynamite.

And Kurt said he admires Chris Benoit.

 

If it was that serious the guy would be gone like Austin.

 

Who stuck around for another couple of years?

 

So, who's te evil unoriginal bastard? Flair or Benoit? Who is making the other look bad by using stiff chops?

[The Metal Maniac 0]

How can we tell when something is a tribute and something's just a rip off?

 

I think it has something to do with who else is using the move, and when.

 

If your favourite wrestler of all-time is starting to get out of the business just as you're getting in, then it's a tribute.

 

If a guy who you respect is retired, and has been for years, then it's a tribute.

 

If a guy who wrestle often goes down with a serious injury, and mere days later you're using a move that no one else ever used on a regular basis (I know others have used it in Japan, but honestly, before Benoit, who did you EVER see use that move?) which happened to be one of his trademark spots (As in, not a finisher, but a move they almost always use to set up a bigger move) then you're a thieving cunt.

 

Oh, and I hate what's happened to the German suplex. It's always done safer now (They go straight up then fall backwards, as opposed to bridging back) which doesn't look as good, and it's being used as a fucking rest spot.

[Guest KidKrash]

Is Benoit unoriginal for taking the crossface from Dean, headbut from Dynamite and Sharpshooter from Stu Hart?

When Dean and Benoit were in the same fed one of Dean's signature moves wasn't a crossface. I don't recall Benoit and Dynamite being around at the same time together and Benoit's said before that Dynamite was his idol so it was a tribute. Benoit never used it at the same time Bret did I believe and now he does it as a tribute to the Harts.

How can we tell when something is a tribute and something's just a rip off?

 

And Kurt is unoriginal because he does the Germans and....?

How can we tell? Gee I dunno, maybe when Benoit has said profusely that he admires Bret and Dynamite.

And Kurt said he admires Chris Benoit.

 

If it was that serious the guy would be gone like Austin.

 

Who stuck around for another couple of years?

 

So, who's te evil unoriginal bastard? Flair or Benoit? Who is making the other look bad by using stiff chops?

Yeah but Kurt should realize that you shouldn't kill one of the moves of the guy you admire when he's wrestling alongside you. I had no problem with it when they were feuding it but they've been done with it for a year now and he's still doing them and killing Edge with them.

 

As far as the stiff chops, everyone has used them. Booker T, Jericho, Bubba Ray, etc.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I would imagine Angle asked Benoit to use the spot and Benoit Ok'd it. Angle doesn't seem like the sort to just disrespect someone - he's a WWE boy; they get taught those sort of things.

 

As for Angle being unoriginal, some of his counters are unique as is the Angle slam... that's about it for originality points.

[Guest Anglesault]

As far as the stiff chops, everyone has used them. Booker T, Jericho, Bubba Ray, etc.

Booker T's chops are not Flair and Benoit's chops.

[Guest KidKrash]

As far as the stiff chops, everyone has used them. Booker T, Jericho, Bubba Ray, etc.

Booker T's chops are not Flair and Benoit's chops.

You're right. Booker T looks at his hand first.

 

MOVE DIFFERENTIATION~!

[Guest Anglesault]

It was a joke.

[Jack_Bauer 0]

Just be thankful that it wasn't Hardcore Holly in the Royal Rumble, because we would have to complain about a FULL NELSON~!

 

That WOULD be a reason to be pissed.

[Coffin Surfer 0]

Yeah but Kurt should realize that you shouldn't kill one of the moves of the guy you admire when he's wrestling alongside you. I had no problem with it when they were feuding it but they've been done with it for a year now and he's still doing them and killing Edge with them.

Benoit's done a pretty good job of devaluing the German's himself. Still, it wouldn't have hurt if Angle used one of his 8000 German Suplexes on Brock in that Iron Man match as a finish.

[Detective Comics 0]

I marked out for the Spike v Regal match... Regal killed him with the half-nelson suplex.

 

Two of my favorite suplexes in WWE only happened once each... when Brock gave Funaki the crotch-plex and when Hardcore Holly did the gas-mask suplex.

 

It looked like Brock was going to go for a T-Bone when Funaki was interviewing him on SD!, but he put both hands under his crotch and threw him overhead.... I guess you could say it was a modified T-Bone.

 

The I can't remember anything about the Gas-Mask suplex except that Holly put his opponents hands on his head, and wrapped his arms around his opponents and then placed his hands on his opponents face, kinda like an inverted nelson. Then he gave him an overhead belly to belly suplex. It was awesome... I was hoping he would do it to Brock...

[clean rob 0]

Test uses the Half-Nelson Suplex from time to time

 

I haven't seen a Double Underhook, Full Nelson Suplex, Dragon Suplex, or a Fisherman's Suplex in forever.

 

Hell, I haven't seen Eddie use a brainbuster in forever too

Eddie and Chavo used watered down brainbusters.

 

 

 

Brock does a delayed fisherman's suplex.

Isn't the move Brock uses a Fisherman's Buster as opposed to a Fisherman's Suplex?

 

FrigidSoul, by Double Underhook Suplex do you mean a Butterfly Suplex? 'Cause A-Train includes those in his repertoire.

 

I agree with everyone about the devaluation of Germans - 3 Germans should equal at the very least a nearfall, and should put away lowercarders and jobbers.

[Toxxic 0]

And Kurt is unoriginal because he does the Germans and....?

Kurt... Ken Shamrock just called. He wants his anklelock back.

[muzz 0]

I imagine there would be so much red tape involved with performing slightly more 'dangerous' moves, that they don't even bother anymore.

 

Especially when your ability to wrestle and innovate doesn't dictate your push up the card.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

I believe Brock does a Fisherman's suplex, not a buster, because he doesn't land them on the top of their head. He just back-bumps.

[Guest Anglesault]

 

And Kurt is unoriginal because he does the Germans and....?

Kurt... Ken Shamrock just called. He wants his anklelock back.

They're not in the same company.

[Toxxic 0]

 

And Kurt is unoriginal because he does the Germans and....?

Kurt... Ken Shamrock just called. He wants his anklelock back.

They're not in the same company.

Yeah, I know. But the fact that it's not as bad as nicking Benoit's string of suplexes because they're in the company together at the same time is downplayed by the fact that a string of suplexes is just that - one move repeated to give it more impact from the same initial position. However, Angle uses the Anklelock as a finisher, as did Shamrock when he was in the WWF. So he's "stolen" a finisher, which I'd view as worse that "stealing" a mid-match spot.

 

[Cue restart of the arguement over the German Trio should be a match-ending spot]

[Guest Anglesault]

When Dean and Benoit were in the same fed one of Dean's signature moves wasn't a crossface. I don't recall Benoit and Dynamite being around at the same time together and Benoit's said before that Dynamite was his idol so it was a tribute. Benoit never used it at the same time Bret did I believe and now he does it as a tribute to the Harts.

 

I was using this paragraph as my basis for that statement.

 

 

One thing: You're not one of those "Shamrock should come back and feud with Angle!" people, are you?

[Toxxic 0]

When Dean and Benoit were in the same fed one of Dean's signature moves wasn't a crossface. I don't recall Benoit and Dynamite being around at the same time together and Benoit's said before that Dynamite was his idol so it was a tribute. Benoit never used it at the same time Bret did I believe and now he does it as a tribute to the Harts.

 

I was using this paragraph as my basis for that statement.

 

 

One thing: You're not one of those "Shamrock should come back and feud with Angle!" people, are you?

Uh... no. It's not like I've even seen Shamrock wrestle - he was (just) before I started watching again. I just know the anklelock was/is his finisher.

[Highland 0]

I think that if someone is retired or doesn't work for that company anymore, then using their finisher is fairgame. Simple.

[Jesse Badass 0]

Cause the WWE don't want the wrestlers to use Overhead belly to belly suplexes anymore. They had a report about these kinds of moves last moth.

[NoCalMike 0]

It seems that whenever a singles match is between two non-wwe children, you will see something different,including variations on suplexes. Maybe it is because they have trained and learn how to take suplexes. This all falls back on WWE worrying more about a promo then their workers knowing how to wrestle.

[Guest KidKrash]

I agree that the ankle lock is fair game.

 

I also agree with banning overhead belly to bellys. As much as I love them, the Steiners really made people wary of that move. All the person who's doing the move has to do is throw you over his head. There's no telling if he could fall akwardly, fall on his knees if he's tossed too high, fall on the top of his head, etc.