All divas...all the time

[Vyce 0]

Oh for the love of god...

 

Do they really need more eye candy? Torrie, Stacy, Dawn Marie, Nidia, Jackie, Shaniqua (well, she doesn't wrestle), and Sable aren't enough? Why not sign more divas that can wrestle rather than sign a bunch that can't wrestle and try to teach them? My head hurts.

Well, if I'm reading the article right the only reason they're signing these women is to make money off the T&A merchandise they can eventually schill off them.

 

I'm not a woman, but if I were, I imagine I'd be offended.

 

My only hope in this is that they're not deprogramming Alexis down there in OVW to get her to work the "WWE Diva Style".

[AndrewTS 0]

I'd rather watch Joshi.

Might as well. Not only would this show be filled with bad wrestling--but worse..."sports entertainment" written by men geared towards men. Ouch.

[CanadianChick 0]

Oh for the love of god...

 

Do they really need more eye candy? Torrie, Stacy, Dawn Marie, Nidia, Jackie, Shaniqua (well, she doesn't wrestle), and Sable aren't enough? Why not sign more divas that can wrestle rather than sign a bunch that can't wrestle and try to teach them? My head hurts.

Because that's not Vince's goal. He wants Diva DVDs and Playboy material. That's where he sees the big bucks.

 

The wrestling is just the window dressing.

But then they feel the need to put these girls, who are 'just' eye candy, in the ring and try to wrestle! Why? How about you just go for the two-in-one deal and get good-looking female wrestlers?

[Guest Markingout]

How about you just go for the two-in-one deal and get good-looking female wrestlers?

Alexis Laree.

 

Isn't Jillian Hall some sort of celebrity. I have heard of her.

[AndrewTS 0]

Why? How about you just go for the two-in-one deal and get good-looking female wrestlers?

 

Silly, you don't hire good looking women who can wrestle reasonably well. You hire bimbos who have never wrestled in their life and probably have no interest in it, and then you have a mediocre female wrestler train them.

 

Funny thing is, joshi girls are as much sex symbols as they are wrestlers a lot of the time. Okay, not girls like Shark, Aja, etc, but the petite, pretty babyfaces like Cutie.

[lomasmoney 0]

Why? How about you just go for the two-in-one deal and get good-looking female wrestlers?

 

Silly, you don't hire good looking women who can wrestle reasonably well. You hire bimbos who have never wrestled in their life and probably have no interest in it, and then you have a mediocre female wrestler train them.

 

Funny thing is, joshi girls are as much sex symbols as they are wrestlers a lot of the time. Okay, not girls like Shark, Aja, etc, but the petite, pretty babyfaces like Cutie.

my point exactly, with women wanting equal independence and shit I am sure portraying them as athletic and yet still feminine and beautiful would be better than the bimbo portryal half of them get. If they took like one diva off tv at a time for like 6 months and had them get extensive training in actually wrestling good technically sound matches, the product would be a lot better because people who don't care about the T and A aspect would still watch for good wrestling

[DangerousDamon 0]

my point exactly, with women wanting equal independence and shit I am sure portraying them as athletic and yet still feminine and beautiful would be better than the bimbo portryal half of them get. If they took like one diva off tv at a time for like 6 months and had them get extensive training in actually wrestling good technically sound matches, the product would be a lot better because people who don't care about the T and A aspect would still watch for good wrestling

well made point, big brother.

[AndrewTS 0]

Why? How about you just go for the two-in-one deal and get good-looking female wrestlers?

 

Silly, you don't hire good looking women who can wrestle reasonably well. You hire bimbos who have never wrestled in their life and probably have no interest in it, and then you have a mediocre female wrestler train them.

 

Funny thing is, joshi girls are as much sex symbols as they are wrestlers a lot of the time. Okay, not girls like Shark, Aja, etc, but the petite, pretty babyfaces like Cutie.

my point exactly, with women wanting equal independence and shit I am sure portraying them as athletic and yet still feminine and beautiful would be better than the bimbo portryal half of them get.

I doubt it is a "portrayal" in Torrie's case (get drunk, talk about sucking dick; classy dame, that one), but in general, yeah, I see your point. That's what the big deal was supposed to be about Sunny. She was hot, and she'd take advantage of her sexuality, but she was smart and would lead guys by the nose. She was in control, not the guy.

 

As opposed to Torrie "The guy I valet...I'm so confident he'll win that I'll fuck you if he loses" Wilson. Her entire character revolves around insatiable craving for male attention, regardless of how degrading she has to act for it.

[Guest Deviant]

Nikita and Alexis are both as good as almost all the current "divas".

 

Is this something that is supposed to be impressive?

 

Not in the slightest, but I'd say it's slightly better than almost all of the other women on that list who are currently on par with Gayda '02 as far as we know. WWE fans have grown accustomed to accepting girls like Victoria, Trish, Molly and such as "good female wrestlers". Alexis can easily fit into the division and at least provide a new face to mix around and produce a few original match ups. She has her use.

 

Comparing WWE women to joshi is just not fair, as WWE will never, ever produce another Akira Hokuto vs Shinobu Kandori because that's just not what they are trying to do.

 

And what is this about Torrie getting drunk and talking about things she probably shouldn't have? Was this an angle I missed, a Howard Stern appearance I missed or what? I have no idea what that's talking about.

[AndrewTS 0]

Nikita and Alexis are both as good as almost all the current "divas".

 

Is this something that is supposed to be impressive?

Not in the slightest, but I'd say it's slightly better than almost all of the other women on that list who are currently on par with Gayda '02 as far as we know.

 

And what is this about Torrie getting drunk and talking about things she probably shouldn't have? Was this an angle I missed, a Howard Stern appearance I missed or what? I have no idea what that's talking about.

Girls Gone Wild PPV.

[Guest Deviant]

Speaking of which, is there somewhere out on the net where I can download that PPV or read a transcript of some of the things said. I'm a pervert, but I'm not pathetic enough to be paying good money for a tape of that show.

[AndrewTS 0]

Speaking of which, is there somewhere out on the net where I can download that PPV or read a transcript of some of the things said. I'm a pervert, but I'm not pathetic enough to be paying good money for a tape of that show.

Well, at least your name isn't misleading.

 

Don't know of a transcript, but here's a recap.

 

 

http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=12896

 

The closest you get is: "During the introduction of the contestants (the show had a beauty pageant theme), Test and Torrie Wilson asked the contestants about their oral sex preferences, lesbian experiences and sexual positions."

[Cuban Linx 0]

I'm sure Vince McMahon's ultimate dream for a third brand would be half Divas wrestling, half Lesbian porno.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Comparing WWE women to joshi is just not fair, as WWE will never, ever produce another Akira Hokuto vs Shinobu Kandori because that's just not what they are trying to do.

 

Not asking for that, just asking for something that doesn't completely expose the business.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

WWE's next brand: AN ALL SHOOT FIGHTING/BOXING BRAND!!

 

Oh wait, they tried that shit with the Brawl For All and it fucked them in the asses in more ways than one.

 

(Cries) GOD DAMN BART GUNN! I wanted to see Dr. Death drop Austin on his head 20 times a match! (sobs)

[AndrewTS 0]

I'm sure Vince McMahon's ultimate dream for a third brand would be half Divas wrestling, half Lesbian porno.

Rue: And Sable...uh...with a legs-around-neck thingy on Torrie.

 

Bischoff: That's a...reverse headscissors. Yeah. But Torrie seems to be taking full advantage of this situation, in this first-ever "I Cum" match. Wait--is Sable faking? No! No! Sable hits the big O! Torrie wins!

[Guest Deviant]

Well, if the WWE chicks are actually doing glorified porn, I'd probably watch, just like I'll click on all the posts of Sable/Torrie's Playboy pics even though I doubt they'll interest me at all.

 

It's the Torries of the world whose only real value to anything is her ability to look good naked trying to be wrestlers that piss me off. If they were just looking good naked, I'd watch. I wouldn't pay money for it (as I've established), but I'd watch.

 

Vince starts holding T&A matches that deliver, he'd have my interest. Hiring talentless models just so they can eventually pose in Playboy, but have to fill time by finding some stupid role for them on that little wrestling show he still does, that's what pisses me off. And it's probably what pisses most people off around here.

[haVoc 0]

Comparing WWE women to joshi is just not fair, as WWE will never, ever produce another Akira Hokuto vs Shinobu Kandori because that's just not what they are trying to do.

 

Not asking for that, just asking for something that doesn't completely expose the business.

Isn't the business already exposed?

[AndrewTS 0]

t's the Torries of the world whose only real value to anything is her ability to look good naked trying to be wrestlers that piss me off. If they were just looking good naked, I'd watch. I wouldn't pay money for it (as I've established), but I'd watch.

I believe just the opposite. If you're a wrestler (as in, actually are one, not pretending to be one), have some role to actually warrant you being on TV, etc. I don't mind.

 

Why is Torrie on TV, from a storyline standpoint? She's not a valet/girlfriend to any wrestlers right now (shock of shocks), she isn't a wrestler, she isn't really doing anything on TV that could be construed at work. What the hell is her job?

 

Furthermore, Torrie looks pathetically generic so her looks do nothing for me, she's a horrible actress (but is slightly better than Linda and Stephammy), in the ring she's worse than Nidia.

 

And ratings have shown if you put her on TV constantly as a recurring character, nobody gives a shit about her and flips the channel. She's no Trish or Lita, who actually have characters and reasons to be cheered. Torrie adds nothing to the show that any of the ho's recruited from the local strip clubs added. Although at least the ho's would be different for each show, thus keeping them from being overexposed.

 

I see zero reason to keep Torrie on the payroll as a full-timer.

[haVoc 0]

I'm not the biggest Steph fan, but she's a better actress then Torrie.

[AndrewTS 0]

I'm not the biggest Steph fan, but she's a better actress then Torrie.

 

I guess you figure that since Steph actually shows emotion, she has the advantage. Although at least Torrie doesn't ham it up like her.

[Guest Deviant]

t's the Torries of the world whose only real value to anything is her ability to look good naked trying to be wrestlers that piss me off. If they were just looking good naked, I'd watch. I wouldn't pay money for it (as I've established), but I'd watch.

I believe just the opposite. If you're a wrestler (as in, actually are one, not pretending to be one), have some role to actually warrant you being on TV, etc. I don't mind.

 

Why is Torrie on TV, from a storyline standpoint? She's not a valet/girlfriend to any wrestlers right now (shock of shocks), she isn't a wrestler, she isn't really doing anything on TV that could be construed at work. What the hell is her job?

 

Furthermore, Torrie looks pathetically generic so her looks do nothing for me, she's a horrible actress (but is slightly better than Linda and Stephammy), in the ring she's worse than Nidia.

 

And ratings have shown if you put her on TV constantly as a recurring character, nobody gives a shit about her and flips the channel. She's no Trish or Lita, who actually have characters and reasons to be cheered. Torrie adds nothing to the show that any of the ho's recruited from the local strip clubs added. Although at least the ho's would be different for each show, thus keeping them from being overexposed.

 

I see zero reason to keep Torrie on the payroll as a full-timer.

Uh, say, how is that the opposite of my opinion? I said that girls who are only good for T&A trying to wrestle pisses me off. I said that if Torrie, for example, was in the proposed "I Cum" match, I'd watch, as part of a 'these girls pretend to wrestle as they remove clothing and doing glorified porn' show, but that since that won't be happening, she has no value.

 

I also see zero reason to be paying Torrie. I fail to see the reason for your post unless you somehow mis-read my posts.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Why is Torrie on TV, from a storyline standpoint? She's not a valet/girlfriend to any wrestlers right now (shock of shocks), she isn't a wrestler, she isn't really doing anything on TV that could be construed at work. What the hell is her job?

 

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I see zero reason to keep Torrie on the payroll as a full-timer.

I'm presuming that she makes the company money off of shilling her merchandise (e.g. Divas videos, magazines, publicity from things like Playboy, etc.). And as much as a lot of people here turn a blind eye to it, the WWE is a business first and a wrestling organization second.

 

She probably brings more to the company - as an employee - than a lot of the skilled male wrestlers do.

[Guest Burning Hammer]

To get back to the topic wouldn't the WWE signing more women up mean that they are more serious about starting the rumored third late night brand? They KNOW that they can't generate another touring brand with just women on the show. Plus the ammount of women that they have signed (that aren't already on tv) aren't nearly a big enough roster to fill an entire 1 hour women's wrestling type show.

On the other hand they do have enough men on the roster to flesh out another show (guys like Kanyon, Dreamer, London, Funaki, O'Hare, Ultimo, Jordan, WGTT etc.) and they could move a few guys from Raw and Smackdown (RVD for one) who are lost in the shuffle (stealing some of the better TNA talent would be a good idea as well) to help give it some star power. Book this show to play smaller venues and build toward 1 ppv that would be positioned when the WWE generally has poor drawing ppv's. For this to really work they would have to keep this late night brand totally seperate from Raw and Smackdown which they wouldn't do but this would generate revenue for them. Hopefully they see it this way and decide to try something like this out.

[AndrewTS 0]

Deviant: I misread, nevermind.

 

I'm presuming that she makes the company money off of shilling her merchandise (e.g. Divas videos, magazines, publicity from things like Playboy, etc.). And as much as a lot of people here turn a blind eye to it, the WWE is a business first and a wrestling organization second.

 

She probably brings more to the company - as an employee - than a lot of the skilled male wrestlers do.

 

In the "Divas" videos, she's just one disposable one among others, and the Divas videos don't sell all that hot, in case you didn't know.

 

Trish's solo DVD wasn't much of a success, so if Torrie got one by herself...I can't see her selling much more than 1/4 of Trish's.

 

During the Playboy publicity crap, her constant appearances got people burned out on her, and when she'd come on TV ratings would decrease. I saw it myself in the long-term ratings breakdown reports of who adds/loses viewers. The characters that usually had a lot of attention put on them, including ol' Vinnie tended to draw viewers. Except...Torrie. Nobody gives a shit about her as a character. They want her to come on TV, strip, and go away. They have no emotional attachment to her "character" as they do a Lita or Trish.

 

I'm sure she got money from the Playboy thing, and that amount was probably split between her and WWE, or WWE got a certain percentage. I don't find it as big a deal as you make it out to be.

 

And the whole Playboy thing...the net gain of viewers, buyrates, ratings? JACK SHIT!

 

Compared to the Divas people care about, she's completely expendable.

 

A whole show of Torries isn't going to make money, it's just going to be money flushed down the crapper to pay a bunch of talentless bimbos.

 

To get back to the topic wouldn't the WWE signing more women up mean that they are more serious about starting the rumored third late night brand? They KNOW that they can't generate another touring brand with just women on the show. Plus the ammount of women that they have signed (that aren't already on tv) aren't nearly a big enough roster to fill an entire 1 hour women's wrestling type show.

 

In other words, just a single, weekly non-touring show?

 

Sure...have it in a big pink room.

[chaosrage 0]

Why is Torrie on TV, from a storyline standpoint?  She's not a valet/girlfriend to any wrestlers right now (shock of shocks), she isn't a wrestler, she isn't really doing anything on TV that could be construed at work.  What the hell is her job?

 

Furthermore, Torrie looks pathetically generic so her looks do nothing for me, she's a horrible actress (but is slightly better than Linda and Stephammy), in the ring she's worse than Nidia.

 

And ratings have shown if you put her on TV constantly as a recurring character, nobody gives a shit about her and flips the channel.  She's no Trish or Lita, who actually have characters and reasons to be cheered. 

Trish kills off even more ratings than Torrie though.

 

Anyway, I don't think Torrie is a good example. I might switch the channel if she was on, but I definitely wouldn't say if Stacy was on. Or Dawn Marie or Stephanie. And Jackie keeps me from turning off Rico matches sometimes. That's why they're on TV.

[Guest deadbeater]

One way a separate could work is to have a period in which wrestlers not have forced storylines. Just have them talk. Trish, Stacy and Ivory are particularly outspoken without prodding. They can also do a little prodding on Molly and Victoria, both of whom are naturally reserved, and have them talk about their outlook on life. Jacqueline and Jazz, Gail can add their perspectives too.

 

The secret of the Divas' success are: the variety of characters, and the wrestlers playing the characters; the comraderie they have, and their willingness to improve their prformances. They know they have a good thing going, and they have more women wanting to be pro wrestlers. They don't want it to flop while they hold the flame.

[Guest Besus]

(whatever happend to that storyline where APA kept saying Shelton Benjamin was her?)

 

It died when Shelton/Shaniqua was in a backstage segment together and Bradshaw saw them both in the hall.

 

I think this was on Velocity.

[Guest Deviant]

It's true, ratings rarely have anything of note to point out, but people are completely sick of Torrie and actually change the channel, even though there is no rival promotion to watch. They just turn off!

 

Ability to look good, but do nothing else = not a ratings draw!

 

I can't believe that ratings actually make sense for once.

[Guest Choken One]

It's true, ratings rarely have anything of note to point out, but people are completely sick of Torrie and actually change the channel, even though there is no rival promotion to watch. They just turn off!

 

Ability to look good, but do nothing else = not a ratings draw!

This is also known as the "Randy Orton Effect"