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john lynch cut by tampa bay!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!?!?

FUCK tampa bay.

 

 

Go get'em Falcons. Go get'em.

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What? I mean, if they cut him to free up room for someone not named Warren Sapp, it could make sense...but Sapp?!?!?! WTF.

 

Cleveland signed a good blocking Fullback yesterday. They've made a lot of improvements.

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Interesting story:

 

Winfield's signing bonus is actually a roster bonus. Minnesota is going to pay the whole thing this year so they don't have to worry about it in the future.

 

Winfield's cap number this year is $15 million :lol:

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Guest The Winter Of My Discontent

Rumor has it that Corey Dillon is going to the Raiders.

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john lynch cut by tampa bay!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!?!?

Mmm'k. I just know the Saints are going to sign him... I KNOW THEY ARE! :(

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Id like to thank the Ravens for resigning Orlando "False Start/Stupid Penalties" Brown to a 5 year contract..ugh.

 

They also resigned Anthony Wright for 2 years.

 

And supposedly if the Owens trade is nixed, the Ravens will offer the Chargers the 2nd round pick for David Boston who still has 6 years left on his 7 year $45 million contract he signed last year.

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Law says Patriots lied to him

 

The "bridge is burned." All-Pro cornerback Ty Law does not want to play another game for the Patriots.

 

 

Citing "irreconcilable differences," Law said he has told Patriots coach Bill Belichick and vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli his desire to play somewhere else after being "lied to" about their intentions, according to the Boston Globe.

 

 

"Right now, it's not about money," Law told the Globe this week. "That bridge is burned. I no longer want to be a Patriot. I can't even see myself putting on that uniform again, that's how bad I feel about playing here."

 

 

Law is under contract with the Pats for two more seasons, and wants an extension that would make him the highest-paid cornerback in the NFL. He is due to earn $6.15 million in salary and a $1 million reporting bonus this year, and $8.75 million in salary plus another $1 million reporting bonus next season.

 

 

He has asked the Pats to allow him to buy out his contract. They have declined, according to the Globe.

 

 

Last month Law called the Patriots' four-year, $26 million offer "an insult" and "a slap in the face." Law told the Globe this week that he thought negotiations would continue, but the team told him they would carry Law's $10 million salary cap figure into next season.

 

 

"They told me they didn't want to insult Ty anymore, so they're not going to submit any more offers," Carl Poston, Law's agent, told the Globe.

 

 

When Poston made the Pats a seven-year, $63 million counteroffer that included $20 million to sign and $28 million over the first three years, Pioli reportedly responded with something to effect of "We can't do that. Save the paper."

 

 

"They told me one thing and did another," Law told the Globe. "They said we were going to talk. All of a sudden, negotiations are off. 'We're just going to keep it the way it is for this year.' No. It ain't going to be 'for this year.' I don't want no 'just for this year.' I don't want no years at all. Actually, I don't want a contract extension anymore because I no longer want to be a New England Patriot. I'm drop-dead serious about not wanting to be a part of this organization anymore."

 

 

This is not the first time Law has asked to be let go. Law told the Globe he asked Belichick to place him on the 2002 expansion list, which was due days after the Pats' Super Bowl XXXVI victory.

 

 

Trading Law or releasing him before June 1 would come with a cap hit of $5.4 million, or the remaining prorated portion of his signing bonus. If the Patriots cut him after June 1, the cap hit this year would be $2.7 million, and the $2.7 million acceleration would be applied to the 2005 cap.

 

 

"I can't do a thing about it but express my displeasure about playing for this organization," Law told the Globe. "I'll go to training camp. I've got bonuses for going to training camp. I'm just saying it won't be a comfortable working atmosphere. It's not a reason to hold out. I get $1 million just to show up. Who wouldn't show up for $1 million? The money ain't the thing, because I have that. Then again, I'm not going to sit here and say I don't want $7 million, either. That's stupid. Hell, we all gotta eat.

 

 

"I'll go out there and play my game. I'm not saying I'm going to be the best guy to be around or your favorite guy to talk to. But I'm not going to hurt my teammates and I'm not going to hurt myself. I'm going to go out there and play football, because if you want to pay $7 million to a guy that really doesn't want to be here, OK, this is business. Fine. You don't have to like your boss to work and do your job well."

 

 

The Patriots' offer essentially would guarantee Law $15.6 million over the next two years ($6.6 million bonus, salaries of $4 million this year and $5 million next year), according to the Globe. His current contract calls for him to earn $16.9 million over the next two seasons.

 

 

"I would be a fool to take less than what I already make," Law told the newspaper. "So you're telling me, if I make $17 million over the next two years, if I'm a Patriot, I'm going to accept $15.6 million? That's a pay cut. I said it a thousand times, I'm not taking no pay cut. No. ... If this is a business and you can't afford to pay me what I deserve to be paid, that's fine. I have no problem with that. But let me go out there and earn the salary that I deserve and let me get the commitment from another team because I deserve more than just a one-year deal."

 

Professional athletes are full of shit. How can he try to say that he's not pissed off about the money?

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I've never had a problem with players not wanting to take paycuts.

 

The team can cut a player from a contract at any time...so I think it's more than fair that a player says "Fuck off" when the team asks for him to take less money.

 

Ty Law is a GREAT player. It's not as if his play fell off and he's worth less than he was when he signed the deal.

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yeah but he wasn't worth the deal in the first place. He was the top paid DB for years, and he may be good but he's not the best. That's why the Pats aren't giving him the extension.

 

if he keeps making noise he'll probably end up stuck on a crappy team like Lawyer Milloy. (no offense bps)

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good thing they drafted another running back. :bonk:

 

anyway, here's profootballtalk.com's take. The're often wrong, but the're at least interesting.

 

"As we see it, the root cause (as it is in so many cases) is the agent. Poston stands to score a huge fee if/when Law gets that $20 million bonus (i.e., $600,000 at a 3 percent rate). But Poston gets nothing if Law is: (1) happy with his circumstances in life; (2) content to make less money in order to be with a winning team; (3) and/or the recipient of more Super Bowls bonuses and rings.

 

So guys like Poston know how to manipulate guys like Law into thinking that it's all about the money while saying with a straight face that it's not about the money.

 

For Poston and others like him, it is about the money; for Law and others like him, the bonus check becomes nothing more than a big, fat carrot to their horse-sized egos.

 

And most players never figure out that they've been played, even after they get burned by agents who aren't putting the clients' interests before their own. Those who are able to connect the dots would never admit that they made a mistake -- since that would be even worse than not getting the coin in the first place.

 

In our view, Law has fallen hook, line, and stinker for Poston's routine. "Carl Poston is, hands down, the best agent in the league," Law said.

 

But is he? Perhaps Law should ask LaVar Arrington, whose new contract is about $6.5 million lighter than it should have been, apparently because Poston failed to read the damn thing before Arrington signed his name to it.

 

See, it's not about whether Poston is a good agent -- it's because he's Law's agent. After all, one way to convince others that you're the best corner in the league is to tell them you've got the best agent.

 

As a result, guys like Law can't even begin to comprehend the long-term value of retiring from football as a New England icon. Sure, he might have to take some less money over the remainder of his career to do so -- but he'll be in a position to make a lot more money and enjoy a lot more lasting fame and adulation during the decades of his life when no one is paying him to play football.

 

Our advice to the Pats would be to get your D-backs in a row and make Law an offer he'd be stupid to refuse at a time when his leverage is at its nadir. Law probably will refuse the offer anyway, but our guess is that he'll eventually be feeling in his gut the same remorse that Lawyer Milloy surely has been experiencing since the final gun sounded at Super Bowl XXXVIII."

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Ty says this every damn season.

And every season he gets on the field, does damage and suddenly starts to love playing for the Patriots.

 

Face it, Bill is a dickhead and when he's not coaching you then you hate his guts. And I don't Ty totally got over that Milloy being released thing since he seemed to be the main guy pissed off.

 

And the Patriots said "We don't want to insult you" meaning more than likely that even if they would LIKE to give him his deal that they just can't do it.

 

If he goes, that really does suck but Ty is usually on again-off again for the type of season he has. I like him, but if he goes then he goes. I've given up questioning the Pats front office now that they have two rings.

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Former Philadelphia Eagles cornerback Troy Vincent, one of the few impact players remaining on the unrestricted free-agent market, has agreed in principle to terms with the Buffalo Bills, ESPN.com has learned.

 

 

Vincent, a five-time Pro Bowl player and until Monday arguably the premier defender still available in free agency, chose the Bills over proposals made by the Cincinnati Bengals and the Kansas City Chiefs. He considered the offers during the weekend and after visiting with the Chiefs coaches and officials last week, and had promised all a decision by Monday.

 

 

Contract details were not yet available, but one league source said that Vincent's deal likely is for six years and worth about $20 million.

 

 

The Bengals immediately turned their attention to Vincent's former teammate in Philly, veteran cornerback Bobby Taylor, but seemed to be making little headway in attempting to fill its need at the position. In fact, league sources indicated that Taylor is suddenly being wooed by the Washington Redskins, who were scrambling Monday to create cap room.

 

 

Vincent, 32, not only will replace starting cornerback Antoine Winfield, who signed with the Minnesota Vikings as an unrestricted free agent, but also will bring even more class to a Buffalo organization that has stressed character under the stewardship of team president/general manager Tom Donahoe.

 

 

Universally acknowledged as one of the NFL's classiest players, Vincent has won several awards for citizenship and social consciousness. He is also one of the players on the NFL workplace diversity working group.

 

 

A 12-year veteran, Vincent has 42 career interceptions and 177 passes defensed, and had three interceptions in 13 games last season. The former University of Wisconsin star has 858 tackles, 4½ sacks, 14 forced fumbles and five recoveries.

 

 

While he may have lost a half-step, Vincent remains among the top corners in the league, and should be able to play on the edge for at least one more season before he eventually moves inside and concludes his career at safety. His ballhawking skills figure to be key to a Bills defense that statistically ranked No. 3 in the NFL in 2003, but which still struggles in the takeaway segment of the game.

 

 

Vincent began his career as a first-round choice of the Miami Dolphins in 1992, the eighth player selected overall that year, and then moved to the Eagles as a "transition" player in 1996. In Buffalo, he will be paired with Nate Clements, the Bills' first-round pick in the 2001 draft.

 

 

Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

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Hah...I said earlier in this thread that I'd take him on my team...and look.

 

It works for me...I just need someone to play Corner opposite Clements for a couple years. Then I'll move him to Free Safety to finish his career.

 

Rumor is that the signing bonus is only 3.6 million...which pleases me greatly.

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David Boston on the verge of being traded to Miami

 

For a 6th round pick and a player to be named later. Uh...wtf? I mean, I'm no fan of David Boston, but he has to be better than a 6th rounder and some scrub. AJ freakin Feeley was traded for a 2nd. The Chargers are getting screwed here, especially since they could just wait it out and dish off Boston to the loser of the Terrell Owens sweepstakes.

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David Boston on the verge of being traded to Miami

 

For a 6th round pick and a player to be named later. Uh...wtf? I mean, I'm no fan of David Boston, but he has to be better than a 6th rounder and some scrub. AJ freakin Feeley was traded for a 2nd. The Chargers are getting screwed here, especially since they could just wait it out and dish off Boston to the loser of the Terrell Owens sweepstakes.

That's because Boston's a head case, and I believe he's 1 substance-abuse foul away from getting suspended.

 

If he can stay clean, and not flake out, this could be an absolute steal for the Dolphins. Imagine, Boston on 1 side, and Chambers on the other. Mmmm.....

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Boston is one of the most overrated WRs in the league... I think the Chargers got the better deal.

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The biggest knock on David Boston is that at his current rate, he'll be bigger than your average offensive lineman in a year or two. One columnist put it best when they said he has to decide if he wants to be a football player or a weight lifter. The guy is in incredible shape for a defensive end, but he is suppose to be a reciever and all that muscle has made him lose a step.

 

With that said, I would still take him on my team, because he is a big (really big) guy with good hands and can block well on runs. He is def worth more than a 6th rounder.

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I love how people think TO will be calm and quiet in Philly with McNabb at QB.

 

TO in Philly is going to make TO in San Fran look like an angel. He's not going to like being second fiddle (It's going to be McNabb and the Eagles, not TO and the Eagles), he's not going to like if every pass doesn't go his way, and he's going to start blaming McNabb and calling him a second rate quarterback probably within three weeks if he doesn't feel like he's getting the catches he should.

 

Baltimore was the ONLY place that could have handled him cause Ray Lewis would have threatened to take him down a peg.

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