Guest wildpegasus Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 INTERNAL SECOND GUESSING WITHIN WWE ABOUT WRESTLEMANIA LINEUP by 1Wrestling.com Updated: 2/9/2004 11:48:05 AM 1Wrestling.com sources tell us there is some serious second guessing going on by some people close to the creative process in the WWE regarding plans for Wrestlemania. Our sources tell us there is concern among some WWE higher ups that the company hasn't announced anything yet that is worthy of a normal Wrestlemania, much less the special 20th Anniversary broadcast. A cable industry source tells 1Wrestling.com that some cable systems are planning an almost unprecedented media blitz to promote the show and that systems are counting on the event to deliver a significant amount of their pay per view revenue this year. Obviously a lot will happen over the next 7-10 days that will continue to shape the lineup for what could potentially be the biggest PPV in WWE history.
JoeDirt Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 Nothing is "blockbuster" enough because of how the show has been written for the past year. Trying to come up with a blockbuster match at the last second shouldn't be neccesary, because with a little bit of planning and foresight, building to a huge match at WM between two of the most over characters on the roster shouldn't be a problem.
Downhome Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 Cool, maybe we'll get some surprises on RAW and SD over the next two weeks. I don't think we have what should be a "huge show" myself, not right now. I'd have HHH/Benoit, Angle/Eddy, HBK/Rocky, Foley/Orton, and something like Austin/Hogan to really make all of the marks and the such happy. Stuff like HHH/Benoit/HBK and Orton/Batista vs. Rocky/Foley just feels more like something that would be on a PPV like NWO to me.
Guest nikowwf Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 They really need to get Shawn out of the main event, because a good wrestling card ending in Benoit finally winning the world title feels more to me like Wrestlemania rather than Benoit or Shawn winning a 3 way match that belongs on one of the filler PPV's. niko
Downhome Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 They really need to get Shawn out of the main event, because a good wrestling card ending in Benoit finally winning the world title feels more to me like Wrestlemania rather than Benoit or Shawn winning a 3 way match that belongs on one of the filler PPV's. niko Exactly. On the same note, Rocky/Batista doesn't have any place in Orton/Foley either, not at freaking WrestleMania where the Orton/Foley feud will more than likely climax. If that match isn't one on one, I'll be very pissed after all of this buildup. Rocky should be in a singles match, and what better than him against HBK?
NoCalMike Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 main event should be Benoit vs. Triple H. No HBK. WM should be about one man's journey toward the title, and that right off the bat is already kind of screwed up since Benoit just jumped to Raw for no apparent reason. However to sort of salvage that stupid decision, they should AT LEAST have Benoit go over clean.
Downhome Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 In theory, the main event of WM should actually be HHH/HBK I suppose, seeing how HBK has been trying to get the title from HHH for so long now.
Guest wildpegasus Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 I'm guessing if this is true they're definitely rethinking about having the triple threat match because that is SO out of place. HBK vs the Rock and Orton vs Foley would be tons better than what they have on the table right now. I could see them rethinking the Goldberg vs Lesnar match -- Title or Non Title? Or will Eddie vs ANgle be a title match? Either that or they're switching the whole card over to cruiserweight matches
Guest Coffey Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 The main event should be Eddie Guerrero Vs. Kurt Angle for the WWE Championship, not a match over the old WCW belt.
Guest Dynamite Kido Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 The main event should be Eddie Guerrero Vs. Kurt Angle for the WWE Championship, not a match over the old WCW belt. Actually the match should be Eddy Guerrero vs. Chris Benoit but Vince likes discouraging us.....
Guest wrestlingbs Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 Everything that has been said here makes sense. Foley/Orton would be great, but why throw one of the tag champs into the mix? Come to think about it, why throw Rock into the mix? His presence would steal the spotlight away from the real focus of the match (Orton vs. Foley). And look who's not even on the predicted card: Booker T, The Dudleys, the women's division, Matt Hardy, Austin. That's a lot of the roster we're talking about.
Slickster Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 Everything that has been said here makes sense. Foley/Orton would be great, but why throw one of the tag champs into the mix? Come to think about it, why throw Rock into the mix? His presence would steal the spotlight away from the real focus of the match (Orton vs. Foley). And look who's not even on the predicted card: Booker T, The Dudleys, the women's division, Matt Hardy, Austin. That's a lot of the roster we're talking about. More specifically, a lot of the RAW roster...
Austin3164life Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 This show isn't really shaping up to be anything grand or spectacular.
Guest MikeSC Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 Of course, this is 1wrestling reporting this. They could, you know, be totally wrong. -=Mike
Guest Krazy Karter Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 Rocky should be in a singles match, and what better than him against HBK? Shawn vs. Rock would draw. Benoit, although the smark favorite, can't draw for shit unless he's in Canada. In that respect I'd like to see HHH drop the belt to Shawn prior to Mania, and have Shawn retain it against Benoit in a Mania ladder match. Then Benoit can win it at Summerslam in Toronto. That would free up Rock to face Goldberg (who would turn heel) at Mania and send him packing.
Hektik Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 Shawn has never been able to draw in the past so why would he be able to now. You can not say Chris Benoit will not be able to draw because he has never been given the chance. You can not write someone off before they even get there shot.
Guest wildpegasus Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 Rocky should be in a singles match, and what better than him against HBK? Shawn vs. Rock would draw. Benoit, although the smark favorite, can't draw for shit unless he's in Canada. In that respect I'd like to see HHH drop the belt to Shawn prior to Mania, and have Shawn retain it against Benoit in a Mania ladder match. Then Benoit can win it at Summerslam in Toronto. That would free up Rock to face Goldberg (who would turn heel) at Mania and send him packing. Benoit actually draws more people to the TV screen as a midcarder getting buried than MIchaels does as a headliner in the main event.
gWIL Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 Best They Can Do Triple Jeopardy World Heavyweight Championship Benoit vs HHH vs HBK WWE Championship Eddy vs Angle Lesner vs Goldberg Hell in a Cell (would please the marks) Kane vs Taker Falls Count Anywhere Orton vs Foley Rock (heel) vs Cena I know Rock said no but work w/me Halftime featuring preformances by Outkast and Trapt as well as a Shooting Star Press Contest and a Bikini Contest Christain vs Y2J US Title Show vs Gunn vs Holly vs Rhyno or Train Women's Match Cruiser Battle Royal RVD vs Booker T WGTT vs ? Batista vs Mystery (Edge)
Guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 Best They Can Do Triple Jeopardy World Heavyweight Championship Benoit vs HHH vs HBK WWE Championship Eddy vs Angle Lesner vs Goldberg Hell in a Cell (would please the marks) Kane vs Taker Falls Count Anywhere Orton vs Foley Rock (heel) vs Cena I know Rock said no but work w/me Halftime featuring preformances by Outkast and Trapt as well as a Shooting Star Press Contest and a Bikini Contest Christain vs Y2J US Title Show vs Gunn vs Holly vs Rhyno or Train Women's Match Cruiser Battle Royal RVD vs Booker T WGTT vs ? Batista vs Mystery (Edge) If that actually happened every match would be 10 minutes or less. I don't like it.
Guest Deebo Posted February 9, 2004 Report Posted February 9, 2004 I don't know what you guys expect. You say you don't want cards filled with these bullshit "Dream Matches" instead of actual good matches, yet you say this card doesn't seem "spectacular" or "like a Wrestlemania". The fact is, there isn't the name value there. Does that mean it's going to be bad? Of course not. You're seeing fucking Benoit and Eddie Guerrero on World Title matches on the WWE's most hyped event ever. Wrestlemania XX just happens to come at a time when the two biggest stars in the company (Austin and Rock) are no longer wrestling, or in Rock's case, at least not involved in the show anymore but wrestling periodically. They might be gone, but the Eddie's, Benoit's, Angle's, Brock's are still there.
Kahran Ramsus Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Right now Wrestlemania seems fine to me with a one big problem. A three-way for the Main Event. Bump Michaels from the match, and Wrestlemania will feel like a huge event.
Guest Choken One Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Best They Can Do Triple Jeopardy World Heavyweight Championship Benoit vs HHH vs HBK WWE Championship Eddy vs Angle Lesner vs Goldberg Hell in a Cell (would please the marks) Kane vs Taker Falls Count Anywhere Orton vs Foley Rock (heel) vs Cena I know Rock said no but work w/me Halftime featuring preformances by Outkast and Trapt as well as a Shooting Star Press Contest and a Bikini Contest Christain vs Y2J US Title Show vs Gunn vs Holly vs Rhyno or Train Women's Match Cruiser Battle Royal RVD vs Booker T WGTT vs ? Batista vs Mystery (Edge) If that actually happened every match would be 10 minutes or less. I don't like it. it's a FIVE HOUR show.
ISportsFan Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Best They Can Do Triple Jeopardy World Heavyweight Championship Benoit vs HHH vs HBK WWE Championship Eddy vs Angle Lesner vs Goldberg Hell in a Cell (would please the marks) Kane vs Taker Falls Count Anywhere Orton vs Foley Rock (heel) vs Cena I know Rock said no but work w/me Halftime featuring preformances by Outkast and Trapt as well as a Shooting Star Press Contest and a Bikini Contest Christain vs Y2J US Title Show vs Gunn vs Holly vs Rhyno or Train Women's Match Cruiser Battle Royal RVD vs Booker T WGTT vs ? Batista vs Mystery (Edge) If that actually happened every match would be 10 minutes or less. I don't like it. it's a FIVE HOUR show. Remember last year with 10 matches and 4 hours? The first 5 matches got no time. 13 matches is too much, especially with a crappy halftime show. Jason
cbacon Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Are there any cable listings that confirm the show will be 5 hours? Also, WrestleMania XXI will technically be the 20th anniversary
Guest Askewniverse Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Are there any cable listings that confirm the show will be 5 hours? Also, WrestleMania XXI will technically be the 20th anniversary InDemand's web site says that WrestleMania XX will be 5 hours long.
tommytomlin Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 I really don't see how the card could be improved, based on current storylines, brands and wrestler availability. HBK/Rock seems like the only feasible 'dream match' they could add to the card, but I think the Triple Threat for the World Title is the best bet, and reforming the Rock and Sock Connection against Orton/Batista would be a better bet. The card seems fine to me. Wrestlemania 14 was one of the most successful ever, and it didn't exactly have any 'dream' matches. It just had a good build up of matches the fans wanted to see. I think Taker/Kane, Lesnar/Goldberg and Orton/Foley could make a successful card. Of course, if all fails between now and March, they could always just promise a Bret Hart farewell speech.
Kahran Ramsus Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Wrestlemania XIV wasn't that great. It was completely carried on the back of Steve Austin.
Damaramu Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 See.......they do need to have the world title match as a one on one. I think Rock vs. HBK would draw b/c of The Rock specifically. And throw in the fact that it's a dream matchup or something b/c he's facing HBK and the marks will buy it. And Orton and Foley should be one on one. It makes no sense for it to be a tag match. It makes sense for it to be a Street Fight with Orton going over in bloody fashion........that's what they're building to.
Guest Deebo Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 I don't see why HBK vs. Rock is a dream match. You can't just throw two legends together and say it's automatically a dream match. There has to be a reason for it to be a "Dream Match", like there is with Brock-Goldberg, and was with Rock-Hogan, and would be with Austin-Hogan or Austin-Goldberg.
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