NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2004 well the one big criteria RVD is lacking in order to get a DVD is some sort of push. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheAnvil Report post Posted February 18, 2004 Ok I labeled the guy a troll because this is an RVD DVD Debate, not an RVD, how do you rate him as a worker debate. So I consider comparing RVD to Warrior, a stupid comment no matter what the forum(sanz hardcore forum) The guy has since come to his senses and admitted an RVD dvd would probably sell well, so I guess I can lift my "troll" opinion I'm saying I wouldn't buy an RVD DVD, and giving my opinions on why I wouldn't buy it. Actually, I don't think anyone I know would buy an RVD DVD. We all hate him. He's not a good wrestler, so why would I want to buy his DVD? I don't buy DVD's of people who botch spots and have pitiful offense. When I buy a wrestling DVD, I look at 2 things: 1. Does it have good matches? 2. What are the special features? So, if there was an RVD DVD, and the match listing was something like is what was listed earlier in this thread, I'd have to answer like this: 1. NO...GOD NO. While the Jerry Lynn matches were okay, they're nothing I haven't seen before. 2. Probably little to nothing I care about. So, why does this guy deserve a DVD again? I wouldn't even think about looking at it unless it was priced in the Gigli range. And this is from a guy who owns Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation and Suburban Commando on DVD. As for my comparisons with Warrior, I'm saying that there are more deserving candidates for DVD's, and even more deserving people who fit into RVD's category (insanely over, but terrible wrestlers). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted February 18, 2004 The question really isn't 'Would a RVD DVD make money?' though to be honest. The question instead is 'would making a RVD DVD make more money than other DVDs that WWE is making'. I would argue that making a DVD for everyone at once would flood the market and hurt sales over time, so the WWE can't do a DVD for everyone on the roster. I would then argue that RVD although he's over, would not be a profitable seller than say 40% of the company. John Cena, despite not being a great worker, is riding a far greater wave right now and WWE is smart to try and jump on that train while its hot. Even RVDs own tag team partner Booker T would probably be better suited to a DVD right now considering just how popular it seems as though WCW footage has been lately. And while I might enjoy some Robbie V footage, I don't think there is really this huge market for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2004 b) if they marketed it right (e.g. showed some of his bumps and risks from ECW) then the marks would buy it. Watching him somersault from the ropes into the crowd is not something that the WWE sheep see everyday, and if given teaser clips of bumps like that, people would buy it. Irony is anybody calling for ECW footage calling WWE fans "sheep". -=Mike I'm not trying to imply that the WWE fans are the only sheep in the pasture. Each federation (from ECW to WWE to ROH to CZW, etc etc) has (or had) it's own sheep, as I find that wrestling fans that actually think for themselves to be in the minority. It's normally "who does everyone else find cool? Oh, I like them, too". Just my two cents. And having said all that, points to you for noting the irony. And using irony correctly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2004 The question really isn't 'Would a RVD DVD make money?' though to be honest. The topic starts off with JoeDirt asking: WWE could make some money on it, don't you think? Looks like this thread is about asking if a DVD of Van Dam COULD make money. The question instead is 'would making a RVD DVD make more money than other DVDs that WWE is making'. Well, that's a question too. But it's a subquestion of whether or not it could actually make money. This is just a specific variation of the general question asked at the start of the topic. I would then argue that RVD although he's over, would not be a profitable seller than say 40% of the company. I don't see where you came up with this statistic. ECW fans would be buying Van Dam's DVD to watch some of his rarer ECW matches. This kind of market isn't being gained by putting out Brock Lesnar, John Cena, or Trish Stratus DVDs. And I think people here are underestimating the drawing power of RVD. He's generally one of the top-sellers of WWE merchandise. People want to buy his shirts. So more RVD merchandise in the form of a DVD shouldn't be a flop. Not to mention the fact that he's one of the few wrestlers people actually CHEER for in a match. If the people are willing to cheer for him, chant his name, etc.....how can you say that they wouldn't soon go out and buy his DVD? Who's DVDs would sell better? The main guys come to mind.......Stone Cold, The Rock, Ric Flair, Goldberg, Shawn Michaels, possibly Mick Foley, possibly Kurt Angle.... Triple H has had so many DVDs that it's a likely possibility the next one would flop. Not sure of the statistics of Brock Lesnar's DVD but I don't think it would sell better than Van Dam's. I doubt Cena's will too. Not many fans, although there is this misconception of all fans being stupid WWE sheep, should be willing to spend $20 on a DVD of a wrestler that has only been around for two years. Even despite their popularity. Eddie Guerrero? Maybe he would sell better. Chris Benoit? I really don't see the market there, besides Internet fans. I doubt a general WWE fan would choose a Benoit DVD over a Van Dam one, but that's just a big "What-if." Booker T? Doubt it. His popularity has really taken a hit as of late, and he's just not remembered too much for his WCW days. Meanwhile, as we see here, some ECW fans still remember Van Dam's ECW matches in a fond way. Big Show? No way. Chris Jericho? There's a possibility now, but if he turns back heel - forget it. Besides these men, who else would do good with a DVD? A-Train? Rene Dupree? You said 40% of the company could possibly sell better than Van Dam.....have you looked at some of the shit in WWE? Van Dam is certainly one of the more marketable superstars they have, and I'm sure he'd be able to sell more DVDs than some of the Main Eventers and high-midcarders there now. I would say he might be in the top 10-15%. But certainly not 40%! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2004 Well like somebody said before, for the WWE to capitalize on a RVD DVD, first they need to give the man a real push instead of giving him those meaningless tag titles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted February 18, 2004 The topic starts off with JoeDirt asking: WWE could make some money on it, don't you think? Looks like this thread is about asking if a DVD of Van Dam COULD make money. That is the question posed in the start of the discussion; however, the fact is that WWE could make a DVD about any number of people and make a profit. But since they don't want to flood the market with 25 DVDs a month, they have to pick and chose who to pick out of the pool to showcase in order to maximize sales. I have no doubt that a Van Dam disc would move, but I do have doubts as to whether it would move as fast as other people's. Well, that's a question too. But it's a subquestion of whether or not it could actually make money. This is just a specific variation of the general question asked at the start of the topic. I just feel its a better question, since it deals with a more specific and reasonable discussion. Just saying that 'RVD = DVD sales' doesn't capture the full picture of the WWEs marketing strategy as far as home video sales are concerned. I don't see where you came up with this statistic. I pulled it off the top of my head to be honest. No research went into at all. ECW fans would be buying Van Dam's DVD to watch some of his rarer ECW matches. This kind of market isn't being gained by putting out Brock Lesnar, John Cena, or Trish Stratus DVDs. And I think people here are underestimating the drawing power of RVD. The ECW market really is not as large as people seem to think. The WWE market even now in its reduced from 2000 proportions is much, much larger. WCW despite being a joke of a promotion for years still had a whole lot more fans than ECW. It also doesn't help that ECW already had DVDs released that would have been mined by the hardcore ECW fanbase (which is all ECW really had anyway). Not to mention the fact that he's one of the few wrestlers people actually CHEER for in a match. Not to be a dick, but there are plenty of people to build a DVD around that get cheers. Cena gets a constistantly louder response every week. Who's DVDs would sell better? possibly Mick Foley, possibly Kurt Angle.... Possibly? Come on, Mick Foley has had about 5 times the impact on the sport than Van Dam and has been in every major wrestling federation including ECW during his career. Mick is so much better than RVD at everything INCLUDING getting crowd heat that this statement is damn near silly. Eddie Guerrero? Maybe he would sell better. Sure as hell would. See Mick Foley and make it 4 times rather than 5. Eddie has had better matches for a longer period of time for more companies than Van Dam. He's more over right now and is coming off the biggest win of his career. Eddie would be perfect to do a DVD about right now. Chris Benoit? I really don't see the market there, besides Internet fans. I doubt a general WWE fan would choose a Benoit DVD over a Van Dam one, but that's just a big "What-if." Benoit has the WCW matches and ECW matches to mine for gold just like Eddie and would appeal to the same people that bought the Ric Flair DVD. Selling a good matches DVD has proven to work in recent history and with Benoit getting such a higher profile than Van Dam, it would be easy to see him sell well. Booker T? Doubt it. His popularity has really taken a hit as of late, and he's just not remembered too much for his WCW days. Meanwhile, as we see here, some ECW fans still remember Van Dam's ECW matches in a fond way. First off, lets not pretend that RVD is riding this huge wave of fan support anymore either. Secondly, WCW was a major player in the wrestling world for many, many years while ECW was a regional success that barely made it onto cable before it folded. There is simply no way that ECW has more fans than WCW did. No way. Thirdly, NWA/WCW is proving to be a good draw for WWE home video with the Flair, Foley, and Monday Night Wars coming off mighty well in sales. People Goodear would make DVDs about before Van Dam. BOOKER T CHRIS BENOIT CHRIS JERICHO GOLDBERG KANE MICK FOLEY RIC FLAIR SCOTT STEINER (For Steiner Brother footage) SHAWN MICHAELS STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN THE ROCK TRIPLE H BIG SHOW BROCK LESNAR EDDIE GUERRERO EDGE JOHN CENA KURT ANGLE MR. MCMAHON REY MYSTERIO UNDERTAKER Wow... 40% makes me sound like a idiot. I think it would be more around 15-20. Ah well, I'm not paid to do match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2004 People Goodear would make DVDs about before Van Dam. BOOKER T CHRIS BENOIT CHRIS JERICHO GOLDBERG KANE MICK FOLEY RIC FLAIR SCOTT STEINER (For Steiner Brother footage) SHAWN MICHAELS STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN THE ROCK TRIPLE H BIG SHOW BROCK LESNAR EDDIE GUERRERO EDGE JOHN CENA KURT ANGLE MR. MCMAHON REY MYSTERIO UNDERTAKER Wow... 40% makes me sound like a idiot. I think it would be more around 15-20. Ah well, I'm not paid to do match. Rey already has one You can't be serious about Mr. McMahon, can you? I notice you stated tag team footage but it would be better if it was part of a Confidential Volume 3 or Before They Were Stars Volume 3 but never as a stand alone DVD. Edge matches from Smackdown and TLC era was good but would be better off on a theme DVD not a stand alone one featuring Edge, maybe a Best of Canadian Wrestlers. Out of your list only: BOOKER T CHRIS BENOIT CHRIS JERICHO GOLDBERG KURT ANGLE EDDIE GUERRERO Has potential of out selling RVD but most of this could be put on a Best of Smackdown or used as extras on a fluff DVD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted February 18, 2004 I really think a behind the scenes look at McMahon would sell like the proverbial hotcakes (which oddly enough seem to be moving pretty slowly). Set up a big McMahon head and a 'behind the madness' graphic and that thing would sell huge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2004 I do not want to see a reality world edition of The McMahons. It's bad enough with all the crap on MTV and FOX, I do not want to see Vince play the part of Ozzy saying his catch phrase YOU'RE FIRED every five seconds, its bad enough that Ozzy sounds like a drunk but having Vince in character with the raspy voice would be hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra Violence 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2004 That's the problem. I don't really think that RVD is marketable. He's a bad wrestler with a drug-abuser (implied) gimmick. Who do you market that too? RVD has alot of respect within the martial arts community for his past kickboxing exploits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheAnvil Report post Posted February 18, 2004 That's the problem. I don't really think that RVD is marketable. He's a bad wrestler with a drug-abuser (implied) gimmick. Who do you market that too? RVD has alot of respect within the martial arts community for his past kickboxing exploits. Ernest "The Cat" Miller. Eric Bischoff. Those guys were karate competitors, and I'm willing to bet had a lot more respect from the martial arts community. That's doesn't have anything to do with the topic at hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2004 As much as I like RVD, a DVD for him would not be a smart choice right now. First off, he needs to get a push. As in, a good, singles push. And, from Unforgiven '02 to now, he's done absolutly nothing to note. Wow! IC title reigns that meant nothing! Oh, TWO tag team title reigns! By golly, we have to get his DVD! If you are going to do a DVD based on one person, that person needs to have done something of note lately. But you know, if they do give him a push eventually, yes, a DVD of his would make quite a bit of money. Put some ECW footage, his Robbie V stint in WCW, the Alliance footage (shit time for everybody else, very good time for Rob), his near win versus the Undertaker. Hell, put the HHH feud in there too. Of course, and put some what would be recent sucesses on there. That's a pretty good DVD and would probably sell quite a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites