lomasmoney 0 Report post Posted March 7, 2004 Based on? My opinion which i believe i am entitled to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangerousDamon 0 Report post Posted March 7, 2004 Based on? My opinion which i believe i am entitled to. Well AngleSault, there's your answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 7, 2004 But, normally, people base their opinions off something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 7, 2004 Well AngleSault, there's your answer. Fine. In my opinion, the human race is nothing more than a group of super intelligent dogs in intricately detailed costumes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangerousDamon 0 Report post Posted March 7, 2004 Well AngleSault, there's your answer. Fine. In my opinion, the human race is nothing more than a group of super intelligent dogs in intricately detailed costumes. [WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 7, 2004 Well AngleSault, there's your answer. Fine. In my opinion, the human race is nothing more than a group of super intelligent dogs in intricately detailed costumes. [WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? What lomas is doing. Basing an opinion based on no facts whatsoever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangerousDamon 0 Report post Posted March 7, 2004 Well AngleSault, there's your answer. Fine. In my opinion, the human race is nothing more than a group of super intelligent dogs in intricately detailed costumes. [WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? What lomas is doing. Basing an opinion based on no facts whatsoever. But you do that all the time. OH GOD! I BASED MY OPINION OFF OF NOTHING! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 7, 2004 See, now we're all doing it! It's kind of fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangerousDamon 0 Report post Posted March 7, 2004 See, now we're all doing it! It's kind of fun. You are so sarcastic that it's annoying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lomasmoney 0 Report post Posted March 7, 2004 Ok, my fact is that Bill O' Reily is a shithead who is fucking with this guy's livelyhood just because he doesn't like his music and is stereotyping the man as being something that he is not, It could be argued that Mr. O'Reily is prejudiced towards rappers and doesn't see them fit to endorse soda or beer. Does O'Reily own Pepsi or Anhuesher-Busch, no. So I was just saying that he seems to have some type of bias against Ludacris and rappers in general and resorts to using lyrics that Ludacris used in a song as his basis. What Ludacris raps about on a song is not always an indication of what type of person he is. If O' Reily did his research he would see all of the charitable work Ludacris does and see that he is actually a positive role model for young African American children being that he was basically a no-name radio personality who went from selling Cd's out the back of his car to being a rich, successful young man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricMM 0 Report post Posted March 7, 2004 OR it could be argued that O'Reilly doesn't like people who rap about guns, drugs, or sex. Period. I don't think he cares about his (Luda's) charity because no one KNOWS about his charity. He doesn't fucking rap about his charity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michrome 0 Report post Posted March 7, 2004 OR, he's not a role model at all, because 99% of the kids that try to make it as a rapper thanks to his example will fail, and since they left school to be a rapper, will be fucked. The idea that "african american children" need role models of success so desperately that Ludacris becomes one is pathetically condescending. There are millions of African Americans in the world that are succesful in life because they avoided the gang culture, stayed in school, and got real jobs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted March 7, 2004 He just seems like a person who is prejudiced And how does one "seem" to be like this? Nothing is more annoying than comments like "OMG, O' Reily's a racist because he said something bad about a black man". No, there's one other thing slightly more annoying than that. It's when people start throwing the "r" label around with no facts to back it up. Heck, at least I GIVE a reason for my accusation, even though it's covered in sarcasm. He didn't do that shit when Ozzy Ozbourne, a noted heavy drug user and spousal abuser ,was named the spokesperson. The only thing Bill has complained about Ozzy about was his inability to effectively watch his kids. How do I know this? Well, I happened to watch Bill's show the night Sharon Osbourne was on and he explored this issue for a while. He really has no reason to attack Ludacris for being a gangsta rapper, being that if he actually knew anything about rap music he would know that Luda is not a gangsta rapper. Actually, he does have a reason. That reason is because this kind of music is marketed heavily toward children. I don't really agree with Bill on this issue, but he has every right to express his views, as does Lud., who really, from what I've seen, has done nothing to effectively counter O'Reilly's charges except to brand him a racist. The sad thing about this whole ordeal is that if Ludacris would come on Bill's show, and say the right things, he would end up looking 100x better as a result of it. Like previous posters said, he could talk about his charity networks, among other things I'm sure he has done. Of course, that would force ol' Lud. to actually think and not be able to just say "OMG youz bez a RACIST..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 I heard that Bill O'Reilly showed up at Ludacris's house dressed as a ghost and burned a lower case "t" on his lawn to tell him it was "time to leave". The racist thing is all a misunderstanding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 "O'Reilly's Racist Slurs--in Context By Jim Naureckas In April 2003, Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly hosted a fundraiser for Best Friends, a charity benefiting inner-city schoolchildren. As reported in the Washington Post (4/15/03), O'Reilly was trying to fill the time before a singing group connected with the charity, called the Best Men, was set to perform, and quipped: "Does anyone know where the Best Men are? I hope they're not in the parking lot stealing our hubcaps." According to the Post report, some of the conservatives in the audience were aghast at the seemingly racist crack. But if anyone was shocked by O'Reilly's apparent racism, they haven't been paying much attention. Two months before O'Reilly's "hubcaps" remark, he used a racist slur on the air. Searching for a word to describe someone who assists immigrants crossing the border, O'Reilly came up with "wetback" (2/6/03). The incident was explained away by Fox officials as an unfortunate gaffe (New York Times, 2/10/03), but the Allentown, Pa. Morning Call (1/5/03) had O'Reilly using the same racist term in a speech earlier in the year: "O'Reilly criticized the Immigration and Naturalization Service for not doing its job and not keeping out 'the wetbacks.'" O'Reilly denied making the comment (Washington Post, 2/17/02), but the reporter stands by his account. Though he calls his show a "no-spin zone," O'Reilly's response (CNBC, 4/26/03) to the "wetback" incident was a blatant, if feeble, exercise in spin--and an attempt to blame his guest: We were talking about border patrol and the problems they were having. I'm going, "What's the jargon? What's the jargon? We got coyotes, right? Coyotes and we got wetbacks. Is that what they call them? Is that what they call them?" All right? And the guy goes, "Yeah. The wetbacks are the slang for the people who come over and the coyotes are the slang for the people who get paid to bring them over." That was the context. A transcript of the show demonstrates O'Reilly's highly imaginative memory. Here's how the interview really went: In support of his proposal to militarize U.S. borders, O'Reilly remarked, "We'd save lives because Mexican wetbacks, whatever you want to call them, the coyotes--they're not going to do what they're doing now, all right, so people aren't going to die in the desert." He then offered the "last word" to his guest, Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D.-Texas), who did not address O'Reilly's slur at all, but instead tried to explain why he thought using the Army to patrol the borders was a bad idea. (O'Reilly, reneged on his promise to give Reyes the last word, interrupting him with a rebuttal.) The actual "context" of O'Reilly's slur is a history of making derogatory, stereotyping comments about people of color. Just a few examples: * During an interview for Stuff magazine (November 2002), O'Reilly opined that "the most unattractive women in the world are probably in the Muslim countries." O'Reilly later insisted (New York Daily News, 10/10/02), "There was no malice intended. It was just in jest." * During a segment (2/9/00) about black athletes suing over the minimum academic standards for college admission, O'Reilly commented: "Look, you know as well as I do most of these kids come out and they can't speak English." After the "wetback" incident, O'Reilly wrote in a newspaper column (South Florida Sun-Sentinel, 3/1/03) that Americans "must realize that racial demonization is now organized and well-funded, and it will not end until everyday people begin condemning it." He wasn't talking about himself, though; he was referring to critics who label him a racist." oh... there you go...reason to form a opinon that he is racist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ant_7000 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Billy has it out for rappers plain and simple. If Billy done his research not every rapper is gangsta, and there's lots of positive rap out there done by blacks. But of course, he doesn't care for the positive rap stuff. I like how Billy invites rappers like Cam'ron that every rap head knows he doesn't have the ability defend this kind of topic, and mostly looking like an idiot in the process (like Cam did) to reinforce O'Reilly's point. I doubt Billy would invite someone like Chuck D, KRS 1, or Mos Def to be able respond and defend their position in a intelligent manner, or when he does invite someone that can defend their position Billy usually cuts them off or give them little time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ant_7000 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 OR, he's not a role model at all, because 99% of the kids that try to make it as a rapper thanks to his example will fail, and since they left school to be a rapper, will be fucked. The idea that "african american children" need role models of success so desperately that Ludacris becomes one is pathetically condescending. There are millions of African Americans in the world that are succesful in life because they avoided the gang culture, stayed in school, and got real jobs. Damn, I didn't know 99% of kids wanted to be rappers. And not every rapper is a HS drop out. You'd be suprise that some of them have degree's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Billy has it out for rappers plain and simple. If Billy done his research not every rapper is gangsta, and there's lots of positive rap out there done by blacks. But of course, he doesn't care for the positive rap stuff. I like how Billy invites rappers like Cam'ron that every rap head knows he doesn't have the ability defend this kind of topic, and mostly looking like an idiot in the process (like Cam did) to prove his point. I doubt Billy would invite someone like Chuck D, KRS 1, or Mos Def to be able respond and defend their position in a intelligent manner, or when he does invite someone that can defend their position Billy usually cuts them off or give them little time. I love how open minded he sounds when he bashes it... "oh come on! anyone can rhyme 'itch' and 'bitch'! It takes no talent whatsoever" I'm not a fan of rap at all, but even I can see that it takes talent, especially freestyle... I have a friend that is amazing and could quite possibly break out someday And as for O'Reilly being racist... it's obvious there is some fire to that (as shown in Rippers post above) , but he seems to be more of a pseudo-racist... the kind like Edward Norton's father in American History X Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted March 8, 2004 But, normally, people base their opinions off something. *Sigh* I wish this was in HD. that just smacks of hypocrasy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 In April 2003, Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly hosted a fundraiser for Best Friends, a charity benefiting inner-city schoolchildren. As reported in the Washington Post (4/15/03), O'Reilly was trying to fill the time before a singing group connected with the charity, called the Best Men, was set to perform, and quipped: "Does anyone know where the Best Men are? I hope they're not in the parking lot stealing our hubcaps." According to the Post report, some of the conservatives in the audience were aghast at the seemingly racist crack. But if anyone was shocked by O'Reilly's apparent racism, they haven't been paying much attention This incident never really happened like that. The guy in the Post ended up having to retract this. Read Bill's book for more detail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Ditto what Bob said. Bill should have just said blacks perform better in the heat and that they all look alike. There would be no problems then... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 8, 2004 In April 2003, Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly hosted a fundraiser for Best Friends, a charity benefiting inner-city schoolchildren. As reported in the Washington Post (4/15/03), O'Reilly was trying to fill the time before a singing group connected with the charity, called the Best Men, was set to perform, and quipped: "Does anyone know where the Best Men are? I hope they're not in the parking lot stealing our hubcaps." According to the Post report, some of the conservatives in the audience were aghast at the seemingly racist crack. But if anyone was shocked by O'Reilly's apparent racism, they haven't been paying much attention This incident never really happened like that. The guy in the Post ended up having to retract this. Read Bill's book for more detail. Can you give me another source? I'd rather stab my eyes out... I've read one O'Reilly book, and it was a very painful experience Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 I've read one O'Reilly book, and it was a very painful experience Which one? I have all three and I don't know why the better half keeps buying me them for Xmas -- they're nothing more than recaps of his show, although I haven't read the last book yet... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 8, 2004 I've read one O'Reilly book, and it was a very painful experience Which one? I have all three and I don't know why the better half keeps buying me them for Xmas -- they're nothing more than recaps of his show, although I haven't read the last book yet... His first one... the Factor I believe it's called. I read it when I was a moderate Republican and I barely made it all the way through... I dont hate O'Reilly, and I'm kind of with Al Franken on this... where I agree with alot of things, I just think he's a blowhard dramaqueen who comes off really really narrow minded and hypocritical at times and if he's an independant, than Ann Coulter is a libertarian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ant_7000 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Here's Billy and House Niger Innis top 5 worst gangsta rappers (influence wise) 1. Ludacris 2. 50 Cent 3. Eminem 4. Snoop 5. P. Diddy Then they go on to say that P.Diddy is the forefather of rap. WTF? That right there they don't WTF they're talking about. If you going to bash rap atleast know what your talking about and do some history. Luda considered as a gangsta rapper is funny to me, and him being worse than 50 shows that Billy and House Niger has it out for him. P. Diddy is on here for the Night Club shooting incident, which was his beef but Shyne did the shooting not Puff, I didn't know a guy who wears shiny suits could be so gangsta. Snoop is just a harmless minstrel pimp now. 50 Cent deserve to be on this list, Em is on here because influence he has on white kids, I guess Em selling out according to Billy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 OR, he's not a role model at all, because 99% of the kids that try to make it as a rapper thanks to his example will fail, and since they left school to be a rapper, will be fucked. The idea that "african american children" need role models of success so desperately that Ludacris becomes one is pathetically condescending. There are millions of African Americans in the world that are succesful in life because they avoided the gang culture, stayed in school, and got real jobs. Talk about exaggeration. No one will become a rapper because Ludacris is one, people need to stop taking artists so seriously. They may like him, but it stops there. I won't even go into the rest of your post. It's funny. White people that complain about reverse discrimination don't acknowledge, uhh, UNreversed discrimination unless it's really fucking obvious. I'm not saying O'Reilly is a racist, I've never seen his show and this is about the most I'll ever read about him. Just making a general observation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 11, 2004 It's funny. White people that complain about reverse discrimination don't acknowledge, uhh, UNreversed discrimination unless it's really fucking obvious. ...And? I think we've all seen the ways that crying racism ( founded or otherwise) can ruin a life, so maybe we should ease off on that just a little bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ant_7000 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2004 OR, he's not a role model at all, because 99% of the kids that try to make it as a rapper thanks to his example will fail, and since they left school to be a rapper, will be fucked. The idea that "african american children" need role models of success so desperately that Ludacris becomes one is pathetically condescending. There are millions of African Americans in the world that are succesful in life because they avoided the gang culture, stayed in school, and got real jobs. It's funny. White people that complain about reverse discrimination don't acknowledge, uhh, UNreversed discrimination unless it's really fucking obvious. I'm not saying O'Reilly is a racist, I've never seen his show and this is about the most I'll ever read about him. Just making a general observation. What the fuck is Reverse Racism? According to Reverse Racism logic would Black College/Universities and BET would be example of Reverse Racism? Just wondering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 11, 2004 Reverse racism would be Motown organizers kicking a guy off a show because he's white, or anything Al Sharpton ever does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ant_7000 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2004 Reverse racism would be Motown organizers kicking a guy off a show because he's white, or anything Al Sharpton ever does. That's not Reverse Racism, lets pretend that your right it would be considered Racism/Discrimination, not no damn Reverse Racism. BTW, Motown didn't kick him off the show since they weren't even involved with show itself until now, ABC producers had already crossed off Timberflake months before the story broke out. How can Motown be racist when they had Teena Marie and Michael McDonald (he's still on the their roster I believe) on the roster during Motown's hey day and they are white. DO THE HISTORY, Slugger. You still haven't gave me a clear example of what "Reverse Racism" is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
