scott keith's wmxx review

[Coffin Surfer 0]

What's the tally on superkicks in that match, incidentally?

less than the number of clotheslines in a Misawa match Im sure....

Hey dumbass, yes you dumbass. This has nothing to do with opinion, just you being stupid.

 

Misawa rarely uses clotheslines, he's more fond of elbows. Misawa has a Diving Lariat that he occasionally busts out from time to time, probably less than one per match.

 

"I rate on my entertainment of a match. That is why I can call Savage vs Steamboat better than any Misawa vs Kawada match I seen, because I was more entertianed by the WM3 match. "

 

I rate on the quality of the work, which is why Savage/Steamboat isn't in the same universe as the better Misawa/Kawada matches. I find Kawada's surreal selling of Misawa's elbows at 10/92 more entertaining than Steamboat's punch drunk selling of Savaga's throat offense. Hell, at least Hogan grabbed his throat and coughed at Wrestlemania V.

[Guest MikeSC]

I've watched it again...I didn't notice the chops right away (not being in the habit of judging every moment of the match until now).

 

WOW.

 

What was I thinking with that 1/4* rating.

 

CLEARLY I overrated again.

 

DUD.

I told you so.

-=Mike

[Dandy 0]

I would say that the three-way match was *****. I can not find a thing wrong with the match and I was caught up in it emotionally. Now if there were a bunch of blown spots or a HHH/Steiner or Goldberg/Brock type match going on before the finish, I wouldn't give it more than **. Likewise, if the match went as it did but HHH hit the Pedigree on Benoit at the end and pinned him, I wouldn't give it more than ****. There were many different times after the table spot that the match could have conceivably ended. The Pedigree on HBK that was broken up by Benoit, the Superkick on Benoit during the Sharpshooter, HHH going for the Pedigree on Benoit, Benoit's reversal to the Crossface, HHH trying to reverse that to a cradle, Benoit rolling through that and keeping the Crossface locked on at the same time putting HHH too far away from the ropes to end the match. That gets people caught up in the match, but the match as a whole built toward that ending.

 

For an analogy of how important an ending is, consider the movie Se7en. Say the movie went as it was up until the desert scene and the van is coming down. Somerset (Morgan Freeman) runs over and gets the box from the delivery guy. He looks into the box and says, "What the fuck?" Mills (Brad Pitt) asks John Doe (Kevin Spacey) what's in the box. Doe: "Well, yesterday I killed my neighbor and his plumber. That's what's in the box." The take him back to headquarters, he signed his confession and was sentenced to life without parole.

 

Now would you think that Se7en would have been as good a movie with an ending that wouldn't have been as badass or make as much sense? Please respond.

[King Cucaracha 0]

***** doesn't neccessarily mean perfect match. If you stay in a 5 star hotel, do you expect perfection? No. Well...maybe. But still...***** matches don't have to be perfect. Flair/Steamboat isn't 'perfect'...Angle/Benoit isn't 'perfect'. But it's very good.

 

Having said that...Benoit making HHH tap obviously boosted the rating in keith's mind...which is hardly surprising, considering. I didn't find it to be a ***** match...but it's subjective. Some people consider the Flair 92 Rumble to be *****. It's not in my mind. Subjective.

 

Considering it was SKeith, I was surprised how much I agreed with him. Not on stars neccessarily. As I said...subjective. But he was kinda on the right lines.

[Perfxion 0]

That is the magic word: Subjective, so telling someone they are wrong on their rating is dumb. But on the other hand, baiting people with overly high or low ratings is dumb. So if say someone calls the match a dud just to spite WWE fans, I would think at is dumb. On the other hand, someone giving their opinion on why a match is only X amount of starts is a way to do a discussion.

[Guest Brian]

I'm watching the match again, and I'm loving just the satart of this thing. The ref patting these guys down. Then Shanw going right after Trips, and the Benoit pulling them off and he's all like"This is my fucking fight" and from that moment you know they both want to just kill each other and settle this thing one-on-one with Trips. Because that's what the world title is all about.

[AndrewTS 0]

That is the magic word: Subjective, so telling someone they are wrong on their rating is dumb. But on the other hand, baiting people with overly high or low ratings is dumb. So if say someone calls the match a dud just to spite WWE fans, I would think at is dumb. On the other hand, someone giving their opinion on why a match is only X amount of starts is a way to do a discussion.

Uh, bps was being sarcastic, I'm pretty sure. He meant to give it -*. And Tawren explained his reasoning for his rating.

 

King Cucaracha:

 

Keith is rather strange sometimes. With the Angle/Brock Ironman, he did something he rarely did: explained what he thought was right and wrong about the match. Those were things I mostly agreed with, in fact. Then he gives it over 4 stars despite the large flaws. HUH?!

[Dandy 0]

Something I forgot to mention earlier.....

 

Someone brought up Michaels' mid-air bladejob and someone else talked about him bleeding just a little at first and a lot later and how they hated that. Rewatch the match and watch closely before the slingshot. HBK and HHH are both on the outside and when Michaels rolls back into the ring, he is taking the blade out of his wrist tape. He has it in, IIRC, his left hand as he chops HHH in the corner. He actually blades as he is on his back as HHH is preparing the slingshot move. HBK is actually starting to bleed before he hits the post, but it is not noticeable at all. He did an excellent blade job in my opinion, if it was not noticeable until looking for it on the replay, as when I watched it live I thought he must have been legit busted open because he didn't seem to blade after hitting the post. Great job by Michaels to mask it so well.

 

As for the bleeding more as the match went on, how does that not make sense? Of course he is not going to have a crimson mask upon impact! He had a cut on his forehead which bled continuously over a period of about 15-20 minutes as he was running around, taking shots to the head, and keeping his blood circualting. It should look like he severed an artery right away. That would be neither believable or safe.

[snuffbox 0]

Due to the distinct lack of Jumbo, Destroyer, Misawa, and LARIATOOOOOOs...Im starting to lean towards negative stars for this match...

 

Triple Threat. Wrestlemania. MSG.

Too many chops. Too much drama. Not enough ~BINGO the night before.

[Tawren 0]

Due to the distinct lack of Jumbo, Destroyer, Misawa, and LARIATOOOOOOs...Im starting to lean towards negative stars for this match...

 

Triple Threat. Wrestlemania. MSG.

Too many chops. Too much drama. Not enough ~BINGO the night before.

Gee, you're funny. Despite the fact you have only flamebaited me for most of the thread and still haven't given it a reason for it being ***** best match ever (yes, ***** means PERFECT), you continue to post. Good job.

[snuffbox 0]

Meh...your right, duder. -*1/4. Utterly ridiculous match.

[Tawren 0]

Meh...your right, duder. -*1/4. Utterly ridiculous match.

Grow the fuck up, I said **1/2. Quit flame-baiting me and quit acting like such an idiot.

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm watching the match again, and I'm loving just the satart of this thing. The ref patting these guys down. Then Shanw going right after Trips, and the Benoit pulling them off and he's all like"This is my fucking fight" and from that moment you know they both want to just kill each other and settle this thing one-on-one with Trips. Because that's what the world title is all about.

I'll warn you now: There is an appalling lack of puro guys in it --- AND it has Shawn Michaels. You'll give it it's much-deserved DUD.

-=Mike

...Who the heck ever said ***** meant perfect match? NO match can be perfect. EVERY match has a flaw.

[Tawren 0]

...Who the heck ever said ***** meant perfect match? NO match can be perfect. EVERY match has a flaw.

*****, on a ***** scale, means *****/*****, meaning 5/5, meaning 100%, meaning nothing wrong, meaning perfect.

 

OMG CONFUSING~!

[Guest MikeSC]

...Who the heck ever said ***** meant perfect match? NO match can be perfect. EVERY match has a flaw.

*****, on a ***** scale, means *****/*****, meaning 5/5, meaning 100%, meaning nothing wrong, meaning perfect.

 

OMG CONFUSING~!

Hmm, so when a movie critic gives a film 4 out of 4 stars, it means its perfect?

 

That'd be news to Roger Ebert.

-=Mike

[Tawren 0]

...Who the heck ever said ***** meant perfect match? NO match can be perfect. EVERY match has a flaw.

*****, on a ***** scale, means *****/*****, meaning 5/5, meaning 100%, meaning nothing wrong, meaning perfect.

 

OMG CONFUSING~!

Hmm, so when a movie critic gives a film 4 out of 4 stars, it means its perfect?

 

That'd be news to Roger Ebert.

-=Mike

4/4, 100%, yeah, that would be perfect.

 

Do you get 5/5 on a test when you have questions answered wrong?

[Guest MikeSC]

...Who the heck ever said ***** meant perfect match? NO match can be perfect. EVERY match has a flaw.

*****, on a ***** scale, means *****/*****, meaning 5/5, meaning 100%, meaning nothing wrong, meaning perfect.

 

OMG CONFUSING~!

Hmm, so when a movie critic gives a film 4 out of 4 stars, it means its perfect?

 

That'd be news to Roger Ebert.

-=Mike

4/4, 100%, yeah, that would be perfect.

 

Do you get 5/5 on a test when you have questions answered wrong?

Has ANY match ever received ***** from you?

 

Care to place bets on people finding faults with it?

 

Heck, I didn't see any flaws with the WM ME --- and it had an emotional storyline to boot.

-=Mike

[Tawren 0]

Has ANY match ever received ***** from you?

 

Care to place bets on people finding faults with it?

1) Many matches (yes, including matches in WWE and WCW) are matches I would consider *****.

2) I'm sure faults could be found. Then we'd debate them, like I tried to do here.

[Guest MikeSC]

Has ANY match ever received ***** from you?

 

Care to place bets on people finding faults with it?

1) Many matches (yes, including matches in WWE and WCW) are matches I would consider *****.

2) I'm sure faults could be found. Then we'd debate them, like I tried to do here.

The faults I got from you were that Shawn chopped too much (it's no different than lots of punching, lots of elbows, lots of kicks, or what have you --- it's simply transition stuff. Japanese wrestlers love elbows and the like, Americans love chops) and that his chops suck --- which I don't see at all. You said he was sloppy, but I didn't see THAT either. Heck, his selling was considerably better than normal and his kip-up wasn't "illogical" (no real back work done to him, nor much work on his legs). He did his usual top-notch bladejob and was willing to make both HHH AND Benoit look good while beating the ever loving crap out of him.

 

This was a spectacular match. All 3 men sold like heck and hit their spots perfectly. I can't name a blown spot. Heck, the closest thing I could name to a problem was HHH visibly trying to force blood out of his cut while sitting on the mat (when he was "breathing hard", he was just trying to strain the muscles in his face to force out blood).

 

I'm not seeing these flaws you claim are there. I, honestly, think that there is an inherent bias against Michaels work due to his past rep for spotty selling and, well, being a dick. Not saying you're a Shawn-hater --- but that you are not going to be all that giving of praise for when Shawn actually DOES logical selling and work.

 

In THIS match, I don't see anything he did wrong. Other matches, arguably so --- but not in this particular match. Heck, people say his superkicks miss by too much, but the on Benoit looked stiff as could be. And Benoit was spot-on. Even Hunter did everything well. He fought the submission for as long as he possibly could, but he eventually had to tap.

-=Mike

[Coffin Surfer 0]

"--- it's simply transition stuff. Japanese wrestlers love elbows and the like, Americans love chops"

 

Man oh man. This guy is a riot.

 

You have no idea how stupid you are sounding. Until you've seen any wrestling from Japan, please refrain from making statements based on assumptions you have no basis for. Your just embarssing yourself.

 

American's love chops, Japanese wrestlers love elbows.

[Guest MikeSC]

"--- it's simply transition stuff. Japanese wrestlers love elbows and the like, Americans love chops"

 

Man oh man. This guy is a riot.

 

You have no idea how stupid you are sounding. Until you've seen any wrestling from Japan, please refrain from making statements based on assumptions you have no basis for. Your just embarssing yourself.

 

American's love chops, Japanese wrestlers love elbows.

Don't you have some match dates to go look up or something?

 

Nobody is more annoying that a puro geek.

 

Yup, never seen Japanese wrestling. Never once.

 

I can say, though, that Jumbo Tsurta sucked some hardcore balls in the ring.

-=Mike

[snuffbox 0]

...Who the heck ever said ***** meant perfect match? NO match can be perfect. EVERY match has a flaw.

*****, on a ***** scale, means *****/*****, meaning 5/5, meaning 100%, meaning nothing wrong, meaning perfect.

 

OMG CONFUSING~!

Hmm, so when a movie critic gives a film 4 out of 4 stars, it means its perfect?

 

That'd be news to Roger Ebert.

-=Mike

4/4, 100%, yeah, that would be perfect.

 

Do you get 5/5 on a test when you have questions answered wrong?

Has ANY match ever received ***** from you?

 

Care to place bets on people finding faults with it?

 

Heck, I didn't see any flaws with the WM ME --- and it had an emotional storyline to boot.

-=Mike

too many chops Mike...

[Coffin Surfer 0]

"Don't you have some match dates to go look up or something?"

 

 

Oh my god, that's funny stuff man.

 

"Nobody is more annoying that a puro geek."

 

Not nearly as annoying as someone who can't type.

 

"Yup, never seen Japanese wrestling. Never once.

 

I can say, though, that Jumbo Tsurta sucked some hardcore balls in the ring."

 

My how intelligent you are. (sarcasm)

 

And you accuse people of being biased.

[Tawren 0]

...Who the heck ever said ***** meant perfect match? NO match can be perfect. EVERY match has a flaw.

*****, on a ***** scale, means *****/*****, meaning 5/5, meaning 100%, meaning nothing wrong, meaning perfect.

 

OMG CONFUSING~!

Hmm, so when a movie critic gives a film 4 out of 4 stars, it means its perfect?

 

That'd be news to Roger Ebert.

-=Mike

4/4, 100%, yeah, that would be perfect.

 

Do you get 5/5 on a test when you have questions answered wrong?

Has ANY match ever received ***** from you?

 

Care to place bets on people finding faults with it?

 

Heck, I didn't see any flaws with the WM ME --- and it had an emotional storyline to boot.

-=Mike

too many chops Mike...

Do you even read the threads you're being a fucking idiot in?

[Coffin Surfer 0]

Oh, and one last thing fucktards. If you don't want to discuss puro in the WWE folder than quit fucking bringing it up for no apparent reason. This is the second thread I've seen it being brought up and bashed for no real reason. Seriously, what the hell does Misawa have to do with Wrestlemania?

[snuffbox 0]

Oh, and one last thing fucktards. If you don't want to discuss puro in the WWE folder than quit fucking bringing it up for no apparent reason. This is the second thread I've seen it being brought up and bashed for no real reason. Seriously, what the hell does Misawa have to do with Wrestlemania?

some kid gave this match **1/2 as there were far too many chops...

 

I asked why so many Japan matches are held to biblical standards despite an excessive ammount of ~ELBOW SMASHES! and stiff clotheslines...

[Tawren 0]

Oh, and one last thing fucktards.  If you don't want to discuss puro in the WWE folder than quit fucking bringing it up for no apparent reason. This is the second thread I've seen it being brought up and bashed for no real reason.  Seriously, what the hell does Misawa have to do with Wrestlemania?

some kid gave this match **1/2 as there were far too many chops...

 

I asked why so many Japan matches are held to biblical standards despite an excessive ammount of ~ELBOW SMASHES! and stiff clotheslines...

The fuck? I ask again: did you read my posts? I mentioned in passing that there were many poorly done chops by Micheals, along with MANY other reasons as to why I felt the match was **1/2. My god you are stupid.

[Coffin Surfer 0]

some kid gave this match **1/2 as there were far too many chops...

 

I asked why so many Japan matches are held to biblical standards despite an excessive ammount of ~ELBOW SMASHES! and stiff clotheslines...

He gave it **1/2, defended it, and made no mention of the great Misawa. Your the one who's bringing it up.

 

If you want to ask your bullshilt little questions take them to the puro folder.

[Guest MikeSC]

Oh, and one last thing fucktards.

Ah, the diaper is about to get changed, I suppose.

If you don't want to discuss puro in the WWE folder than quit fucking bringing it up for no apparent reason.

And miss you piss and moan about it?

 

He who uses profanity has already lost the debate.

 

Thought you should know that.

This is the second thread I've seen it being brought up and bashed for no real reason.

IT'S SO UNFAIR! HOW DARE ANYBODY DISCUSS PURO IN LESS THAN GLOWING TERMS! KAWADA IS MY GOD! I'M SERIOUS, HE'S MY GOD! I WORSHIP HIS SHRINE, THEN STIFF SOME GUY IN THE HEAD BEFORE DROPPING HIM ON HIS HEAD! BUT ONLY ON 11/7, BECAUSE IT'S THE ANNIVERSARY...

 

You never need a reason to bash puro because the joy of watching puro geeks flip the heck out is ALWAYS worth a chuckle.

Seriously, what the hell does Misawa have to do with Wrestlemania?

Did anybody compare Misawa to WM? I must've missed that one.

"Don't you have some match dates to go look up or something?"

 

 

 

Oh my god, that's funny stuff man.

Wow, and I didn't even TRY! I RULE!

"Nobody is more annoying that a puro geek."

 

Not nearly as annoying as someone who can't type.

Correction: Nobody is more annoying than a puro geek ripping on an obvious typo. You proved me wrong there, skippy. Now, just go off and blow your load off the latest Kojima match and leave us in peace.

 

Danke.

"Yup, never seen Japanese wrestling. Never once.

 

I can say, though, that Jumbo Tsurta sucked some hardcore balls in the ring."

 

My how intelligent you are. (sarcasm)

Dude sucked balls. I didn't make him be so blah in the ring. He is the epitome of puro overrating. Heck, I can only imagine how much of a messiah Albert would be if he worked in AJPW.

And you accuse people of being biased.

I accused you of being a puro geek, actually.

He gave it **1/2, defended it, and made no mention of the great Misawa. Your the one who's bringing it up.

 

If you want to ask your bullshilt little questions take them to the puro folder.

Now what did he do to deserve THAT punishment? Couldn't he just slit his wrists while throwing some elbows (heck, let's make em LARIATS!) or something? It'd be less painful.

-=Mike

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

This thread has too much talk about chops in it.

 

**1/2