chaosrage 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 Tawren...if Chris Daniels, Ricky Steamboat, and Mitsuharu Misawa worked the exact same triple threat match at the Tokyo Dome or Budokan Hall or ECW Arena...what would your rating be? ns Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 But they both just did the same move and HBK already had gone blade crazy (I don't remember if HHH was bleeding yet, but HBK had the bigger job), so you'd assume they are close enough to the same. 1. HHH was hurting. 2. HHH couldn't do what he had PLANNED to do because of his ribs and back. 3. HBK joined in, on the grounds that he sees an opportunity to put one of his foes out of commission for the time being with little to no consequence, unlike a moonsault or spot onto a table. Where's the "logic gap" in HBK being in better shape at that point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 tawren - thanks for pushing the whole IWC = whiny 12 year olds concept...I really appreciate it. Please, cry elsewhere...it was an incredible match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted March 16, 2004 Tawren...if Chris Daniels, Ricky Steamboat, and Mitsuharu Misawa worked the exact same triple threat match at the Tokyo Dome or Budokan Hall or ECW Arena...what would your rating be? I'd have to say the match to rate it. It wouldn't have happend period if logic is right. Steamboat retired in 1994 wrestling in WCW. Daniels has been a pro I think 8 years, so he didn't show up until 1996. Maybe 1995 the earliest I don't know. Wow....not too familiar with the word 'hypothetical' eh? If it was POSSIBLE TO EVEN HAPPEN I wouldn't complain. Say You threw...um...American Dragon, Christopher Daniels and Kenta Kobashi in the match. THEN I will say "OK thats a good example". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jimbo Report post Posted March 16, 2004 *rolls eyes* The 3 way was good, but not that good. I mean really, *****? I don't know how one call Tawren a "jaded fan" when if Benoit hadn't won, none of you would have given it a 5*, must less 4* rating. THis has nothing to do with HHH finally tapping and in fact, I applaud HHH for doing so, and I still don't think it was any overly spectacular. This is silly Benoit super-fan boy arguing. The match was good, but by no means anything that would set the world on fire as some are making it out to be. Uh...a match is better when the right guy goes over... Better = More stars. yes, but just because Benoit won, a decent match now becomes a ***** match of pure Godliness? That's crap. It was more than decent... I question the mindset of anyone giving it anything less than 3 1/2 stars... Definitly a solid ***1/2* - **** match. The drama, crowd, heat, spots, blood, general perfection, and right guy going over made it a 5* match, imo. Giving it too much less is just trying to hard t bitch/whine about something/anything. If you couldnt appreciate that match...dont watch, nothing will entertain you. Grab a Best of Jumbo Tsuruta tape or whatever gets your rocks off and please bitch elsewhere. ...and that's what I would give it. ...but 84 gazillion stars is a wee bit much. Believe me, the match entertained me greatly...but saying this match was the one of greatest things ever just doesn't sit well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 tawren - thanks for pushing the whole IWC = whiny 12 year olds concept...I really appreciate it. Please, cry elsewhere...it was an incredible match. The fuck? Just a couple seconds ago you were being civil with me. What's going on? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted March 16, 2004 Like I said, HBK had always seen Benoit as the obstacle, not as his opponent. That's why he jumped at the opportunity, even if it means working with his nemesis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted March 16, 2004 Is anyone getting De Javu from reading this thread? A Very good main event is questioned with ratings that would make your granny cry, and everyone attacking Tawren "The Unbias". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 What's the tally on superkicks in that match, incidentally? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 *rolls eyes* The 3 way was good, but not that good. I mean really, *****? I don't know how one call Tawren a "jaded fan" when if Benoit hadn't won, none of you would have given it a 5*, must less 4* rating. THis has nothing to do with HHH finally tapping and in fact, I applaud HHH for doing so, and I still don't think it was any overly spectacular. This is silly Benoit super-fan boy arguing. The match was good, but by no means anything that would set the world on fire as some are making it out to be. Uh...a match is better when the right guy goes over... Better = More stars. yes, but just because Benoit won, a decent match now becomes a ***** match of pure Godliness? That's crap. It was more than decent... I question the mindset of anyone giving it anything less than 3 1/2 stars... Definitly a solid ***1/2* - **** match. The drama, crowd, heat, spots, blood, general perfection, and right guy going over made it a 5* match, imo. Giving it too much less is just trying to hard t bitch/whine about something/anything. If you couldnt appreciate that match...dont watch, nothing will entertain you. Grab a Best of Jumbo Tsuruta tape or whatever gets your rocks off and please bitch elsewhere. ...and that's what I would give it. ...but 84 gazillion stars is a wee bit much. Believe me, the match entertained me greatly...but saying this match was the one of greatest things ever just doesn't sit well. I gave it ***** and considered among the great main events ever. Its not the best ever and its not a zillion stars or whatever. Its definitly closer to ***** than it is to **1/2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted March 16, 2004 What's the tally on superkicks in that match, incidentally? One. Maybe 2. I know he misses a few attempts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 tawren - thanks for pushing the whole IWC = whiny 12 year olds concept...I really appreciate it. Please, cry elsewhere...it was an incredible match. The fuck? Just a couple seconds ago you were being civil with me. What's going on? Its been explained repeatedly why the match couldnt be under ***. Thats pretty obvious... Your still holding onto **1/2. Did you watch the ppv? If so and with your continued attempts to explain your rating, its clear that you just need to bitch about something. Bitching for the sake of bitching really annoys me. If you cant dig that match then you should seriously find some other hobby/pastime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 What's the tally on superkicks in that match, incidentally? less than the number of clotheslines in a Misawa match Im sure.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 tawren - thanks for pushing the whole IWC = whiny 12 year olds concept...I really appreciate it. Please, cry elsewhere...it was an incredible match. The fuck? Just a couple seconds ago you were being civil with me. What's going on? Its been explained repeatedly why the match couldnt be under ***. Thats pretty obvious... Your still holding onto **1/2. Did you watch the ppv? If so and with your continued attempts to explain your rating, its clear that you just need to bitch about something. Bitching for the sake of bitching really annoys me. If you cant dig that match then you should seriously find some other hobby/pastime. Nobody has explained why it was *****. I have explained several times why I considered it **1/2. I didn't like the match, I explained why, I have been personally attacked several times, I stick with my ratings. I have seen the match 3 times: live, replay, on tape this morning. I don't need a new hobby. I like wrestling just fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 What's the tally on superkicks in that match, incidentally? less than the number of clotheslines in a Misawa match Im sure.... Dude, I'm not even a Misawa fan. You want to try and make lame jokes about me being a puro elitist, say something like "not as many flips as a Dragon Kid match" or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 What's the tally on superkicks in that match, incidentally? less than the number of clotheslines in a Misawa match Im sure.... Dude, I'm not even a Misawa fan. You want to try and make lame jokes about me being a puro elitist, say something like "not as many flips as a Dragon Kid match" or something. where does the word 'tawren' show up in my exchange with Andrew? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 What's the tally on superkicks in that match, incidentally? less than the number of clotheslines in a Misawa match Im sure.... Dude, I'm not even a Misawa fan. You want to try and make lame jokes about me being a puro elitist, say something like "not as many flips as a Dragon Kid match" or something. where does the word 'tawren' show up in my exchange with Andrew? You're making more stupid puro jokes, when earlier in the thread you brought up puro and attacked me for liking it while I was discussing the triple threat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 What's the tally on superkicks in that match, incidentally? less than the number of clotheslines in a Misawa match Im sure.... Dude, I'm not even a Misawa fan. You want to try and make lame jokes about me being a puro elitist, say something like "not as many flips as a Dragon Kid match" or something. where does the word 'tawren' show up in my exchange with Andrew? You're making more stupid puro jokes, when earlier in the thread you brought up puro and attacked me for liking it while I was discussing the triple threat. Do you realize how many clotheslines get thrown in a Misawa etc. match? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 What's the tally on superkicks in that match, incidentally? less than the number of clotheslines in a Misawa match Im sure.... Dude, I'm not even a Misawa fan. You want to try and make lame jokes about me being a puro elitist, say something like "not as many flips as a Dragon Kid match" or something. where does the word 'tawren' show up in my exchange with Andrew? You're making more stupid puro jokes, when earlier in the thread you brought up puro and attacked me for liking it while I was discussing the triple threat. Do you realize how many clotheslines get thrown in a Misawa etc. match? Yes. Yes I do. Japan loves their lariats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted March 16, 2004 Could someone explain how the chops replaced transitions in the match? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 Could someone explain how the chops replaced transitions in the match? HBK chops chops chops his way to a sloppy performance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 16, 2004 On a somewhat Keith related note, does anyone have the link to his blog and/or his Flair DVD review? I think Dames only was able to do the first two discs, and I'd like to see a review on the third. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Askewniverse Report post Posted March 16, 2004 Do you realize how many clotheslines get thrown in a Misawa etc. match? A bit less than the amount of elbow strikes thrown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michrome 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 Snuffbox, you're really embarrassing yourself. Honestly, I just have a headache reading your posts. I thought the match was a very good 3-way, probably in the ***1/2 range. Maybe *you* should go watch a Best of Jumbo Tsuruta tape, and come back with a clue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted March 16, 2004 If Benoit had lost, nobody would be pimping it. Fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted March 16, 2004 It wouldn't have been the same story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 To those who didn't think the Triple Threat was ***** what fault was there? All the moves were executed perfectly, there was serious drama and the fans were into it, Michael's bladejob was tremendous, HHH tapped clean. There was nothing faulting it from being a perfect match. Cept for, you know, better matches. I could name a dozen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted March 16, 2004 and the fans were into it I disagree. There was a frightening lack of heat for some of the Michaels-HHH exchanges. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Psycho Diablo 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 What's the tally on superkicks in that match, incidentally? less than the number of clotheslines in a Misawa match Im sure.... ..or the number of chops in a Benoit match.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TonyJaymzV1 Report post Posted March 16, 2004 If Benoit had lost, nobody would be pimping it. Fact. Yup, I'll admit it. Benoit winning the match amde me like it *THat* much more. I think this petty arguing over star ratings i sad, i mean, it is subjective and all. Coherant comparasions vetween views is good, but when you start throwing in the whole "well, thats cause it ain't puro bitch" shit in, it kinda devalues you're opinon. But yeah, I like the 3_way alot, the smackdown title was fun, the evolution/rocknsock was okay, I didn't like it as much as Skeith but the Rock/Flair parts were GOLD and makes me want a Flair/ Rock fued. The crusierweight open was pitiful, sad, and pathetic. Serously, they had a chance to showcase all that talent, on a show thats 5 fucking hours, and they give htem 10 minutes. On the plus side, Jamie Noble did come off pretty badass, too bad it won't go anywheres. Oh line of the night from my dad: *Kidman does the SSP to the outside, and bangs heads with Nunzio* "Wow, thay guy can't do that too good can he." My dad never watches wrestling, but he noticed that. Oh and he now uses cena's "You Can't See Me". Picture a 40 year old, ex-Lt. Colonel walking around going "You Can't See Me" in the most dry and emotionless voice ever. High-larious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
