Gabe Sapolsky Heading To Nashville To Meet With TN

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

How hard is this for you? Really?

 

The PA law doesn't require there to be any notarization, but let's role play for a minute.

 

Let's say Jerry Jarrett was caught picking up a 14 year old boy...and Tennessee law only required a handshake saying that he's out of the company and not seeing a dime off of it anymore. That's good enough for you? You wouldn't think there was a BURDEN OF PROOF that they SHOULD be held to by their viewers? The bottom line is that RoH gets a pass from you and most other people simply because they LIKE IT. Well...I like it too...but that doesn't change what happened. You'd think a company so desperate to seperate themselves from this would want to do more than the status quo. But then again...they don't need to do they? Everyone will just follow them into hell.

 

All I've ever wanted is what I feel I deserve from them. And that is proof that not one red cent ever finds its way into RFs pocket. Have they provided that? And why is it an unfair thing to ask?

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

He's no longer asking you if you'd like to see more. He's asking you what else you'd like to see.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Well then let me go graduatefrom law school real quick and learn the term for documentation that allows them to be sued if RF makes money off of the product.

 

I'll be back in a few years...since spelling it out isn't good enough.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Wait...isn't insulting a mod a warning offense/bannable outside of Hardcore Discussion?

 

God I hate RoH fanboys.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Wait...isn't insulting a mod a warning offense/bannable outside of Hardcore Discussion?

 

God I hate RoH fanboys.

Although it isn't neccessary to add insults into a heated discussion...I've always not cared when it's directed at me.

[bob_barron 0]

Wait...isn't insulting a mod a warning offense/bannable outside of Hardcore Discussion?

 

God I hate RoH fanboys.

Isn't adding nothing to a discussion many many times a bannable offence?

 

Oh well...it should be

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Didn't you just do that too?

 

...

 

And now I've done it...

 

Look what we've done now!!!!!!!!

[bob_barron 0]

We should all be banned.

 

I'm just sick of seeing BBCW attempt to diss ROH and its fans despite having no clue what he's talking about.

 

At least with you bps- You've watched the product and know what you're talking about even if we disagree.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

OK back on topic, insulting ones "intelligence" for believing in a different excuse for these events is just plain stupid.

 

 

I still stand behind the fact that the FOX Sports people are the ones behind it most, and the RF pedophile situation was the icing on the cake.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

To me, this has nothing to do with the product. I love the product. My friend (TDinDC) can attest that I have told him that I PREFER RoH to TNA...it's just that the TNA business model makes their stuff readily accessable and easy to discuss on a week to week basis.

 

To me, this has to do with not feeling dirty when I fork over money to buy a ticket or a DVD.

[bob_barron 0]

I believe that ROH had to prove that Rob was 100% gone and no longer making $ in order to run their 3.13 show. Which they did.

 

Plus the fact that every wrestler on the roster pretty much wants Rob dead and wanted to make sure he was gone also makes me sure they got rid of Rob.

[Guest OSIcon]

My opinion on proof - -

 

At this point, I think it is silly to cirticize ROH for not supplying sufficient evidence. It is like blaming a criminal for not doing 1,000 hours of community service on top of their five year prison sentence just because YOU believe they owe society that extra service. They did what the law requires. That's what makes the law the law. You do what it requires and you are fine.

 

If the evidence isn't sufficient for you, then that is a personal decision. To blame it on ROH though doesn't make sense when they did what the law requires. The law is law. It is silly to expect people in certain situations to go above the law just so that YOU are satisfied. You don't have to be satisfied. That is your personal decision. It just doesn't make sense to blame people for not going above the law.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

It's really amazing how quick everyone took the burden of proof off of them.

 

Can I ask you honestly if this would have been enough for you if it were...say...MLW when they were trying to cut into RoH's business...or even TNA tomorrow?

 

I think people were disturbingly quick to move on simply because they like the product. That may be what bothers me most of all. There's this terrible thing that happened...but damn anyone who says "woah...slow down a second...for two years my money went to a sick sick person...and now after one moment it's not anymore because you tell me so? Can you maybe make it a little clearer for me?"

[Guest OSIcon]

It's really amazing how quick everyone took the burden of proof off of them.

 

Can I ask you honestly if this would have been enough for you if it were...say...MLW when they were trying to cut into RoH's business...or even TNA tomorrow?

 

I think people were disturbingly quick to move on simply because they like the product. That may be what bothers me most of all. There's this terrible thing that happened...but damn anyone who says "woah...slow down a second...for two years my money went to a sick sick person...and now after one moment it's not anymore because you tell me so? Can you maybe make it a little clearer for me?"

 

I am a very black and white/cut and dry kind of person. That's not to say that I never see exceptions, but I tend to look at things in a clear cut manner instead of throwing in "ifs" and "buts" or making exceptions. I can obviously only speak for myself, but I would feel the same way about any company.

 

As I already explained, I feel that if you do what the law requires, then that is all I can ask. I am not going to hold something against you just becausee I think you *could* have done more even though you did what you had to. If MLW or TNA did something like this and did everything the law requires, then I wouldn't have a problem with them when it comes to that incident. You may not believe me, but that is how I think. I still wouldn't necesarily like TNA or MLW nor would I be championing their cause exactly. However, if I was inclined to buy something from them and they had done what the law requires, I would go ahead and buy from them.

 

Are there people that are being easy on ROH because they like it? Possibly. I can only speak for myself. By the same token, it also seems likely that some people are being overly hard on them in this situation (to the point of ignoring facts) just because they didn't like ROH in the first place. That much has to be expected. However, I don't think it is fair to say everyone is being easy on ROH just because they like the product. When this all went down, I had to ask myself how I felt about it and how I would feel about supporting ROH if Feinstein were still around. I concluded that if he still had interest in the company, I don't think I could support them. By the same token, if he was announced as gone and the right legal proceedures were taken, I would have no problem supporting the company. The legal proceedures required by law were taken, thus I continue to support them.

 

So for me, it has nothing to do with being easy on them because I like their product. I looked at the situation, decided what would be adequate proof for me (which was following the law in transfering ownership), and made my decision. Like I said earlier, if you are not satisifed, then fine. It is a personal decision. However, ROH did what they were required to do. Period.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

I don't think it's too much to ask for them to get the document notorized. If PA law doesn't require it, then yes, they've done all they need to legally speaking. But I live in New York State, and I guess I have higher standards than that.

 

I do believe that there is still serious doubt within the wrestling business as to whether RF is still financially benefitting. Meltzer has alluded to it in the Observer, Buck Woodward and Dave Scherer mocked their "official document" on PWinsider radio.

 

To me it's a common sense thing. What kind of standards do you people have for yourself? I had this conversation in another thread too. You have brains. Use them to think. You're doing yourself an injustice if you don't question things. I'm not talking about being a conspiracy theorist here, but come on, things should make sense. They produced a freaking piece of paper that is not notorized. Doug, his best friend, just bought his stock of the company? Come on! Has RF video changed its name yet? No. The guy built the company. It was his. It was his life. Now he's just handing it over? Do people really think he cares enough about the wrestlers and ROH to hand it over so it can continue? If so, then read in his IM transcript how he talks about the "boys." It doesn't add up.

 

Same thing about this timing with TNA. People report that it has nothing to do with the RF situation, and we're supposed to just blindly believe that? I'm better than that. I know that if I'm running a company, and this RF thing happened, and I'm on ther verge of a TV deal, I don't want my guys near that company. I support both TNA and ROH. Hell, I like ROH 10 times more, but I'm not naive enough to believe that this RF situation has nothing to do with anything.

[Michrome 0]

This is from the PA Department Of Justice Filing Information Section, where it instructs corporations what to do:

Our forms do not require notarization.

 

It is not common to get notarization on a change of ownership in PA when it is a business corporation. It's not how things are done. The ironic thing is that anyone can go get a notary stamp in 10 minutes, it's not a hard thing to do, and wouldn't prove anything, yet people act as if that's the determining factor of this whole thing.

[2GOLD 0]

Do you THINK a tv company would only care about PA law???

 

FOX SPORTS NET could get in a deep hole if they put TNA on the air and then some yahoo puts out a major story about FSN putting on a company that is associated with a company that supports a pedophile.

 

Do you think if FSN and TNA said "Well, Ring of Honor did all that was required by PA law" that all of it would go away? No, they would get the "well, why didn't you ask for additional proof that he was gone?"

 

TNA was protecting their ass and I don't blame them. If later it comes out that Rob is still in the company or running it and the TNA workers are involved with ROH then they are guilty by association as is TNA as would FSN if they signed TNA to a deal.

 

And then FSN would cancel TNA and TNA would be screwed because they would have set up more dates and changed their PPV agreement.

 

People are acting like if you agree with TNA in this case then obviously you hate ROH.

[Michrome 0]

FSN doesn't understand state law? Should ROH have to comply with the law of all 50 states at once? How about Canada?

[thecitythesky 0]

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here's the problem w/ notarized documents:

 

(from Southern California Mobile Notary)

 

No. Notaries are not responsible for the accuracy or legality of documents they notarize Notaries certify the identity of signers. The signers are responsible for the content of the documents.

 

so really... ROH or RF getting any of these documents notarized really proves nothing. and doesn't make the documents any more or less binding that the action they've already taken to satisfy their PA law.

 

 

(by the by... the "proof" that we're talking about. is it just that one thing that i remember seeing that looked like it was written on an etch-a-sketch. or has something more definitive been presented? spring break pushed me out of the loop a bit...)

 

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[Guest TDinDC1112]

Should ROH have to comply with the law of all 50 states at once? How about Canada?

Yes, if they plan on running shows there.

[Michrome 0]

Yes, if they plan on running shows there.

 

You're joking, right? By this logic, ROH would need to file seperate state income taxes for every show they run in a different state. The only state law they're accountable to is the one where their business is it.

[Vyce 0]

Good lord.

 

I didn't really have an opinion on RoH one way or the other, but after reading some of the posts in this thread, the uber-annoying elitist prick attitude of some people here have me almost actively DISLIKING RoH.

 

They did what the law requires.

 

Filing half-assed paperwork isn't enough for some of us, no matter if that's all that's required by the law.

 

I don't think it's too much to ask for them to get the document notorized.

 

Exactly.

 

Some peole here don't seem to be grasping the situation - this isn't just a simple transaction shifting ownership. RoH's owner & head honcho is a FUCKING PEDOPHILE.

 

I don't give too shits if they did all that was required by law - it wouldn't have taken them much to go BEYOND that to prove that Rob's eternally gone. They didn't even get the document notarized! Speaking as someone who's filed court documents, it takes NO EFFORT AT ALL to get that done.

 

Such a thing is about proving something - RoH going above and beyond what is necessary to prove that Rob is gone FOREVER, but to me it doesn't seem as if they want to bother with taking the extra effort to do that.

[The Thread Killer 0]

Hey wait until the ROH marks start telling you that RF "isn't REALLY a pedophile" because he didn't actually "do anything." I mean, he just showed up...he might have just wanted to hang out with the kid...right?

 

It's amazing how some of these people will delude themselves into believing what they want to, just so they can keep watching ROH with a clear conscience...at the expense of logic and common sense.

 

You can point out the basic flaws until you're blue in the face, but all you're going to get from a lot of these ROH marks is: "BAAAAA!" Sheep. It's what's for dinner.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Hey wait until the ROH marks start telling you that RF "isn't REALLY a pedophile" because he didn't actually "do anything." I mean, he just showed up...he might have just wanted to hang out with the kid...right?

 

It's amazing how some of these people will delude themselves into believing what they want to, just so they can keep watching ROH with a clear conscience...at the expense of logic and common sense.

 

You can point out the basic flaws until you're blue in the face, but all you're going to get from a lot of these ROH marks is: "BAAAAA!" Sheep. It's what's for dinner.

You really need to post more often. Hit it right on the nose with the previous one.

[Guest OSIcon]

Filing half-assed paperwork isn't enough for some of us, no matter if that's all that's required by the law.

 

Just for clarification, by "half-assed" you mean "legally binding paper work", right?

 

Like I've said a hundred times, if the proof isn't enough for you then fine. What it all comes down to is a personal decision on whether or not you feel you can give money to the promotion still. If you aren't convinced, then fine.

 

However, saying things like "half assed paperwork" and acting as if ROH is keeping you from being convinced is ridiculous.

 

It has been pointed out in this thread that notary seals don't mean anything in terms of a document's legality. When you go to a notary public, all they do is certify that the document is legit (in that it isn't a forgery) and if you need a copy of the document, they stamp the copy with a seal to show that it is the real deal. They don't determine the legality of the document, so if you are using that as one of your reasons that the paper work is "half-assed", you are wrong. Period.

 

Or is it half-assed because they didn't file it with the state like no corporations in PA do? The funniest thing I've read so far in this thread is the guy who says they should file the paperwork with every state they run in. So ROH should do something that is unprecedented in the history of United States Corporations (I am not even sure if they could file the paperwork in every state without ramifications such as paying state taxes)?

 

This has nothing to do with being fans of ROH. It is just facts on how the world works which people conviently ignore. You are saying "forget the law, this is what I want."

 

Again, if you don't believe that he is gone and don't want to support ROH, fine. I've never told anyone "you're stupid for not supporting ROH" (though plently of people have done the opposite). All I've said is that the proper legal documents have been given. If you are asking for them to go beyond the law or the standards that all corps. follow, then you are not going to get it.

[thecitythesky 0]

Hey wait until the ROH marks start telling you that RF "isn't REALLY a pedophile" because he didn't actually "do anything." I mean, he just showed up...he might have just wanted to hang out with the kid...right?

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now.. i'd be the last person to defend what RF did. and he certainly is a pedophile (based on what actually transpired)... however, there are numerous, numerous people all throughout the internet who constantly refer to him as a child molester and kiddie fucker.

 

. and this is really wholly inaccurate (at least given the facts at hand)... after all, you wouldn't say an someone caught in an attempted murder killed somebody...

 

in this respect, i do understand what those "sheep" are talking about.

 

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[Michrome 0]

For the trillionth time, getting the papers notarized WOULDN'T PROVE A DAMN THING. It would make no difference whatsoever. Business Corporation ownership changes in PA are NOT FILED WITH THE STATE. The only ones that are are limited liability partnerships, and non-profit organizations. All business corporations only file upon creation, and not again. Good god, they even BOLD the fact that notarization isn't necessary on the fucking DOJ website.

[HandofFate 0]

For the trillionth time, getting the papers notarized WOULDN'T PROVE A DAMN THING.

I think what everyone means by getting the document notorized is that the handing over of the items (RoH & RF Video) to someone else would be a legal transaction (not that it already is, according to PA [which is actually a commonewealth] law). The notorization makes the document a true document and not a fake. If the legal document says that the transaction happened, but it actually hasn't happened, then people are being lied to in where certain things are going. What I am tryin to say is that people are asking that if there is documentation that says that this has happened, get it notorized to show that it is a real document.

 

I also see where bps (and anyone else asking for the document to be notorized) [and I hope that I am getting what bps is saying, so sorry and correct me if I am taking what you say wrong] is goin in that if there is documentation showing that it happened, then RF shouldn't get any moneys from the companies. Now if RF would be getting moneys, then we are all being lied to by the higher ups at RoH and RF Video.

 

Besides, wouldn't you prefer someone to go BEYOND the letter of the law? Make that extra step to keep your consumer happy.

 

No, I am not a RoH hater. I would actually like for them to succeed along with TNA to get the Big 3 Promotions going on again. Competition ALWAYS brings out the better.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

-So is ROH's PA promoter's liscense good in every state they run, or do they have to abide by the laws of different states when they run there? I already know the answer to the question.

 

-Why have some of you lowered yourself to "as long as they do what the law requires, then they're ok in my book?" Why is that acceptable?

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

-Why have some of you lowered yourself to "as long as they do what the law requires, then they're ok in my book?" Why is that acceptable?

You already know the answer to this.