Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2004 You say that like you think they care. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2004 Why is it people think Iraq can be sorted out in a weekend? As for Western Europe....who cares what they think anymore. I'm sorry, but the respect I had for Western Europe took a nose dive a long time ago. People seemed to think we were just going to get out the monster and then be like "ok, have fun. See you soon" That would have been a worse of a disaster than now. Americans should have used logic and realized the situation was going to get extremely bad before it could even get better. Those who have never tasted freedom will abuse it until they realize even freedom needs boundaries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2004 Why is it people think Iraq can be sorted out in a weekend? Because we live in a "right here, right now" world. Imagine if we had CNN during the Revolution, Civil War or WWII... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 11, 2004 You know, if the Muslim community ever wants to shed this whole "You're a terrorist" image --- a few might be willing to go on TV and say, without any other issues brought up, that this bad. I've seen it up here, but certainly not in the US. God knows I've looked. EVERY time it's "Well, they shot at a mosque" (of course, they were shooting at troops from the mosque) or "Israel does worse to Palestinians". You know, Catholics had no problem saying that their church's covering up of child molestation was wrong. No equivocation. No justification. Just, flat out, "That is wrong". I don't expect Muslims over there to say anything, thanks to the lynch mob mentality that seems to be so prevalent in that part of the world. But they won't say a word against it HERE. If you are a "religion of peace" --- then act like it for once. -=Mike I live like 15 minutes from Dearborn, Michigan, which is like the highest concentration of Middle Eastern people outside of the Middle East, and a good amount of these people are Muslim. All of the Middle Eastern Muslim people I know are quality upstanding people who deplore alot of the horrible things that these terrorists are doing all around the world in the name of "Allah", so from my observations the people I know that are Muslim are very peaceful so don't put all of them into one bag, I do know thats hard with all the radical shit that a relatively small number of Muslims do. And my point was --- SAY SOMETHING. Don't remain silent on this issue. Did Catholics stay quiet about molestation when it became known? No, they BASHED the church --- rightly so --- over it. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 11, 2004 If three American captives were taken, it would make the US public more vocal in wanting Iraq carpet bombed Right now, if the American people wanted Iraq carpet bombed, it would be only so they could get the troops out of there. And only if they weren't obligated to pay for some "rebuilding" bill when the place is a pile of rocks. To say that the public is "committed to the cause" right now is kind of loopy. And I have personally talked to many Muslims who disagree with these and other dispicable tactics used overseas. Maybe you haven't gone and tried to talk to any, Mike? I've yet to hear ONE speak out against it. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2004 Why is it people think Iraq can be sorted out in a weekend? Because we live in a "right here, right now" world. Imagine if we had CNN during the Revolution, Civil War or WWII... Oh god, that would have been a nightmare. We would have been out of World War II after the first battle we lost That and D-Day would have been rumored and reported on CNN as happening a day before it took place, totally screwing up everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 11, 2004 Why is it people think Iraq can be sorted out in a weekend? Because we live in a "right here, right now" world. Imagine if we had CNN during the Revolution, Civil War or WWII... Oh god, that would have been a nightmare. We would have been out of World War II after the first battle we lost That and D-Day would have been rumored and reported on CNN as happening a day before it took place, totally screwing up everything. That's a point people forget. Wars AREN'T QUICK. If a war is over quickly, odds are, you didn't DO THE JOB PROPERLY. We are trying to COMPLETELY change the way things are done in Iraq -- and the other leaders don't want us to. They like the current situation where they can get the rabble to do their bidding (has a single child of, say, a Hamas leader performed any homicide bombings? No? Shocking). This ISN'T a quick fix situation. We either can do the job properly --- or we can do it quickly. We can't have both. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2004 Breeding a terrorism metroplois in Iraq seems to have really done the trick... Heck, terrorism is up and Americans are dying daily, but the War on Terror IS a success... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2004 Breeding a terrorism metroplois in Iraq seems to have really done the trick... Heck, terrorism is up and Americans are dying daily, but the War on Terror IS a success... Yes, it is. Do people honestly think a war on terror wouldn't involve big trouble? Of course the situation in Iraq sucks, hell the early situation in America sucked when this country got its freedom. This stuff takes time and the terrorist were always in Iraq, the thing was they were well protected. They aren't protected now but they know that they can make the American people back down in a heartbeat. Thankfully the military and Bush, as much as I dislike him, are not backing down from this. They are not going to leave until they are done. It's going to take time and if we wanted, we could handle this situation like assholes and just start killing everyone. But we aren't doing that. It seems like we are being overprotective now. It's frustrating and sad of course that we are losing soldiers but did we really think that wasn't going to happen in this war? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2004 "Mission Accomplished" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingPK 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2004 What a fascinating contribution to the discussion, Cartman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2004 Well I just wanted to remind everyone of the comment made by Bush just a short while after the initial bombing of Iraq. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 11, 2004 Well I just wanted to remind everyone of the comment made by Bush just a short while after the initial bombing of Iraq. You mean when Saddam's regime was toppled? That WAS the short-term goal. The long-term goal takes a lot longer. -=Mike ...Don't let facts slow down your weak argument, though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingPK 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2004 Well I just wanted to remind everyone of the comment made by Bush just a short while after the initial bombing of Iraq. C'mon, did you REALLY think this thing would just magically get all better after Saddam fell? I remember reading about polls saying people were in favor of war even if it meant moderate casualties. Well, this isn't even close to "moderate" and people are bitching and complaining. Kkk is right: if WWII happened today, people would go insane after 2 months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 11, 2004 Well I just wanted to remind everyone of the comment made by Bush just a short while after the initial bombing of Iraq. C'mon, did you REALLY think this thing would just magically get all better after Saddam fell? I remember reading about polls saying people were in favor of war even if it meant moderate casualties. Well, this isn't even close to "moderate" and people are bitching and complaining. Kkk is right: if WWII happened today, people would go insane after 2 months. 600 deaths is nothing. I love the "Cut and run" mentality of some. God knows THAT couldn't possibly embolden the terrorists. Keep in mind, you can trace this rise in violence to the capitulation of the Spanish electorate. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2004 Kkk is right: if WWII happened today, people would go insane after 2 months. If the Civil War happened today, we'd be two countries... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 11, 2004 Kkk is right: if WWII happened today, people would go insane after 2 months. If the Civil War happened today, we'd be two countries... No, we wouldn't. We'd still have slaves, though. The North wouldn't think the fight was "worth it". The question I have to ask is: What fight IS worth it to the left? What fight IS worth the sacrifice? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingPK 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2004 If it was the Revolution, some people would be saying "Well, those British aren't THAT bad. So we have to pay taxes on things like tea, stamps, air, water and dirt. Money just burns a hole in my pocket, anyway." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 12, 2004 If it was the Revolution, some people would be saying "Well, those British aren't THAT bad. So we have to pay taxes on things like tea, stamps, air, water and dirt. Money just burns a hole in my pocket, anyway." Or, "Only the rich pay that tax." -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted April 12, 2004 If it was the Revolution, some people would be saying "Well, those British aren't THAT bad. So we have to pay taxes on things like tea, stamps, air, water and dirt. Money just burns a hole in my pocket, anyway." Or, "Only the rich pay that tax." -=Mike Hell, the rich should pay MORE taxes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted April 12, 2004 If it was the Revolution, some people would be saying "Well, those British aren't THAT bad. So we have to pay taxes on things like tea, stamps, air, water and dirt. Money just burns a hole in my pocket, anyway." Actually, many people did say that. They then took over Ontario after the war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted April 12, 2004 Why is it people think Iraq can be sorted out in a weekend? People think that? Are you sure the people you accuse of wanting it solved in a weekend are not actually the people who were against going in originally in the first place? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted April 12, 2004 You know, if the Muslim community ever wants to shed this whole "You're a terrorist" image --- a few might be willing to go on TV and say, without any other issues brought up, that this bad. I've seen it up here, but certainly not in the US. God knows I've looked. EVERY time it's "Well, they shot at a mosque" (of course, they were shooting at troops from the mosque) or "Israel does worse to Palestinians". You know, Catholics had no problem saying that their church's covering up of child molestation was wrong. No equivocation. No justification. Just, flat out, "That is wrong". I don't expect Muslims over there to say anything, thanks to the lynch mob mentality that seems to be so prevalent in that part of the world. But they won't say a word against it HERE. If you are a "religion of peace" --- then act like it for once. -=Mike These are journalists airing this footage, they'd rather air negative things than positive ones. I'm not saying that many Muslims are behaving wrong but generalizing that all muslims are like this is wrong and ignorant. Did all American's favor the American Revolution? I doubt it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 12, 2004 You know, if the Muslim community ever wants to shed this whole "You're a terrorist" image --- a few might be willing to go on TV and say, without any other issues brought up, that this bad. I've seen it up here, but certainly not in the US. God knows I've looked. EVERY time it's "Well, they shot at a mosque" (of course, they were shooting at troops from the mosque) or "Israel does worse to Palestinians". You know, Catholics had no problem saying that their church's covering up of child molestation was wrong. No equivocation. No justification. Just, flat out, "That is wrong". I don't expect Muslims over there to say anything, thanks to the lynch mob mentality that seems to be so prevalent in that part of the world. But they won't say a word against it HERE. If you are a "religion of peace" --- then act like it for once. -=Mike These are journalists airing this footage, they'd rather air negative things than positive ones. I'm not saying that many Muslims are behaving wrong but generalizing that all muslims are like this is wrong and ignorant. Did all American's favor the American Revolution? I doubt it. Journalists ALSO like viewing the DIFFERING viewpoint --- and they are having a brutal time finding it. The ONLY good thing about all of this is that the leading Shiite Muslim (Sistani, right?) has said this is bad. I can only IMPLORE American Muslims to eliminate ONE phrase from their vocabulary, for all our sakes. STOP saying "Yeah, bombings/taking hostages/etc. is bad, BUT..." -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted April 12, 2004 Why is it people think Iraq can be sorted out in a weekend? People think that? Are you sure the people you accuse of wanting it solved in a weekend are not actually the people who were against going in originally in the first place? I know several people who think it, yes. They're the same ones who think that pulling out now would be a GOOD idea.....as if the situation would magically get better if we suddently left for the Muslims to take over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted April 12, 2004 You know, if the Muslim community ever wants to shed this whole "You're a terrorist" image --- a few might be willing to go on TV and say, without any other issues brought up, that this bad. I've seen it up here, but certainly not in the US. God knows I've looked. EVERY time it's "Well, they shot at a mosque" (of course, they were shooting at troops from the mosque) or "Israel does worse to Palestinians". You know, Catholics had no problem saying that their church's covering up of child molestation was wrong. No equivocation. No justification. Just, flat out, "That is wrong". I don't expect Muslims over there to say anything, thanks to the lynch mob mentality that seems to be so prevalent in that part of the world. But they won't say a word against it HERE. If you are a "religion of peace" --- then act like it for once. -=Mike These are journalists airing this footage, they'd rather air negative things than positive ones. I'm not saying that many Muslims are behaving wrong but generalizing that all muslims are like this is wrong and ignorant. Did all American's favor the American Revolution? I doubt it. Journalists ALSO like viewing the DIFFERING viewpoint --- and they are having a brutal time finding it. The ONLY good thing about all of this is that the leading Shiite Muslim (Sistani, right?) has said this is bad. I can only IMPLORE American Muslims to eliminate ONE phrase from their vocabulary, for all our sakes. STOP saying "Yeah, bombings/taking hostages/etc. is bad, BUT..." -=Mike We supported Iraq against Iran BUT We massacred the Indians BUT We dropped two atomic bombs on Japan BUT (I don't specifically have a problem with this.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 12, 2004 We supported Iraq against Iran BUT We massacred the Indians BUT We dropped two atomic bombs on Japan BUT (I don't specifically have a problem with this.) Who's ever justified our treatment of Indians? -=Mike ...And there is a difference between military strategy (Iraq over Iran (who DID take hostages against us) and the dropping of nukes) and killing innocent civilians --- and rescue personnel --- in pursuit of your political goals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SEX Report post Posted April 12, 2004 Holy Christ, Americans wonder why the rest of the world hates them, the complete bullshit thrown arround like fact in this thread is a case and point of why the world hates you, your answer to everything is "blow them the fuck" away, Eventhough the current situation America finds themselves in, is a direct result of there own actions, Reading threads like this makes me wonder if most Americans have ever opened a history book, How about some of you actually look deeper into this situation instead of just quoting propaganda you hear hear on Fox news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 12, 2004 Holy Christ, Americans wonder why the rest of the world hates them, I wouldn't say "wonder". "Don't give a shit" is more accurate. And, W. Europe isn't the world. the complete bullshit thrown arround like fact in this thread is a case and point of why the world hates you, Wow, 4B+ people ALL posting under one screen name. Startling. your answer to everything is "blow them the fuck" away, No. For people like you, we support mocking. Eventhough the current situation America finds themselves in, is a direct result of there own actions, Yup, that's it. Reading threads like this makes me wonder if most Americans have ever opened a history book, We have. That's how we learned to IGNORE W. Europe. Doing what they want tends to lead to HUGE problems. How about some of you actually look deeper into this situation instead of just quoting propaganda you hear hear on Fox news. How 'bout you buy a clue before spouting off your borderline retarded gibberish? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SEX Report post Posted April 12, 2004 Holy Christ, Americans wonder why the rest of the world hates them, I wouldn't say "wonder". "Don't give a shit" is more accurate. And, W. Europe isn't the world. QUOTE the complete bullshit thrown arround like fact in this thread is a case and point of why the world hates you, Wow, 4B+ people ALL posting under one screen name. Startling. QUOTE your answer to everything is "blow them the fuck" away, No. For people like you, we support mocking. QUOTE Eventhough the current situation America finds themselves in, is a direct result of there own actions, Yup, that's it. QUOTE Reading threads like this makes me wonder if most Americans have ever opened a history book, We have. That's how we learned to IGNORE W. Europe. Doing what they want tends to lead to HUGE problems. QUOTE How about some of you actually look deeper into this situation instead of just quoting propaganda you hear hear on Fox news. How 'bout you buy a clue before spouting off your borderline retarded gibberish? First of all. Im not european, Im Australian, "mike" , Im guessing your american, The complete lack of common sense sort of gives it away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
