The Official Judgment Day 2004 Thread

[Tawren 0]

I'm simply not allowing blind hate to get in the way of what was a great brawl main event that told a hell of a story.

Out of curiousity (I'm not flamebaiting; I didn't watch the show and so I am wondering) what story did it tell?

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

After adding everything up, I'd say it was perfectly average. I didn't really hate anything, which is always a good thing.

I hated Torrie/Dawn and Jackie/Chavo, but at least the Guerreros were entertaining. It was pretty much a boring or "eh" show aside from the last minute of Cena/Dupree, Taker's entrance, and the main event. Oh, and the finish to the opening match was fun, too.

Torrie/Dawn actually wasn't so bad, but something to do with Cena and/or Dupree would have been fitting.

 

Jacquie and Chavo? Well, I just wanted the fucking thing to end, with Chavo regaining. That's what I tipped, and that's what happened.

 

Definitely agreed about Cena/Dupree - apart from the last portion of their match, there wasn't a lot there.

 

Great post-match fan interaction from Cena, but it continues to hurt how I perceive his gimmick.

 

Oh, how I miss heel Cena, circa October 2003.

[Downhome 0]

After adding everything up, I'd say it was perfectly average. I didn't really hate anything, which is always a good thing.

I hated Torrie/Dawn and Jackie/Chavo, but at least the Guerreros were entertaining. It was pretty much a boring or "eh" show aside from the last minute of Cena/Dupree, Taker's entrance, and the main event. Oh, and the finish to the opening match was fun, too.

You see, I've already blocked Torrie/Dawn out of my mind. Well, with the exception of Dawn's ass.

 

I found the CW match entertaining. I don't think it should have been on a PPV, but I did find it entertaining. Chavo/Chavo should just be pushed more and more. The fans love both of them here lately, especially Sr. It wont be long before they will be forced to turn face.

[Shooting Star 0]

There is a friggin ppv today???!!!

[Downhome 0]

Out of curiousity (I'm not flamebaiting; I didn't watch the show and so I am wondering) what story did it tell?

It took off from where SD left off. Eddie was so enraged with Bradshaw that he just couldn't contain his hate for him. He wanted his hands on him, and he finally got him. Even though Bradshaw was taking it to Eddie, and even though Eddie was bleeding like a madman, he didn't allow that to get in the way of what he wanted...to just destroy Bradshaw. Eventhough "any other man would have just laid down", Eddie never did.

 

It eventually boiled over untill Eddie couldn't take it any longer, and just got DQed. It was about more than just the title, blah blah blah.

 

The pacing of the match just spot on. From the first time Eddie got his hands on Bradshaw to the ending post match sequence where he just wouldn't stop kicking Bradshaw's ass.

 

Just watch it and you'll see what I mean.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

"...perfectly average. I didn't really hate anything, which is always a good thing."

 

DH, could you explain this??

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Apparently, Book jobbing to Taker = A-OK, leaving Bradshaw as the only "ME" heel on SD.

[Slickster 0]

Apparently, Book jobbing to Taker = A-OK, leaving Bradshaw as the only "ME" heel on SD.

Out: Booker T

In: Mordecai

[Slickster 0]

Apparently, Book jobbing to Taker = A-OK, leaving Bradshaw as the only "ME" heel on SD.

Out: Booker T

In: Mordecai

[Downhome 0]

"...perfectly average. I didn't really hate anything, which is always a good thing."

 

DH, could you explain this??

What's to explain?

 

I didn't really flat out hate anything, and after adding everything up it just ended up being an average PPV to me.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

You equated "didn't hate anything" with "good", and you said "perfectly average". Unless you're really into oxymorons and being ironic, I think some clearification is needed. You not hating anything doesn't mean you liked it; it could also mean "I didn't like it", or "I am indifferent to it" or "it wasn't that bad" or "it was ok". "Perfectly Average" is just stupid. If you consider anything "average" to be "perfect", then what would be "above average"?

[Just call me Dan 0]

Main gets ***1/2 from me. I rolled my eyes at the finish but the end sequence MORE than made up for it and put Eddie over more. I was scared Eddie got cut hard-way because that was the HARDEST chairshot I've seen in quite some time. The bladejob surpassed Taker's from HIAC, and the pacing of the match was excellent. Nearfalls were wonderful, and it was good to see Eddie totally own JBL in the 1st five minutes and then work his magic to bring a feud I personally didn't want to see to life. Very happy with the main, but couldn't stay awake for most of the rest. Stellar performance by both guys in my book. *applauds*

[Just call me Dan 0]

You equated "didn't hate anything" with "good", and you said "perfectly average". Unless you're really into oxymorons and being ironic, I think some clearification is needed. You not hating anything doesn't mean you liked it; it could also mean "I didn't like it", or "I am indifferent to it" or "it wasn't that bad" or "it was ok". "Perfectly Average" is just stupid. If you consider anything "average" to be "perfect", then what would be "above average"?

He is talking about the PPV as a whole if that clears things up.

 

Main: Good

PPV as a whole: average

[Downhome 0]

You equated "didn't hate anything" with "good", and you said "perfectly average".  Unless you're really into oxymorons and being ironic, I think some clearification is needed.  You not hating anything doesn't mean you liked it; it could also mean "I didn't like it", or "I am indifferent to it" or "it wasn't that bad" or "it was ok".  "Perfectly Average" is just stupid.  If you consider anything "average" to be "perfect", then what would be "above average"?

He is talking about the PPV as a whole if that clears things up.

 

Main: Good

PPV as a whole: average

Oh my God, someone actually can understand things.

[Kurt Angle Mark 0]

I enjoyed the PPV

 

The main event was a great brawl, I bet if you had replaced Bradshaw with Foley that it would be given **** without hesitation but because it's Bradshaw some are going to say it sucked.

 

Cena/Dupree was really fun, however it was disappointing that the match ended when it was really gaining momentum.

 

RVD/Rey vs. Dudley Boyz was good and UT vs Booker T was decent

 

The rest was filler that didn't suck.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Apparently, Book jobbing to Taker = A-OK, leaving Bradshaw as the only "ME" heel on SD.

Out: Booker T

In: Mordecai

Out: your sanity/credibility

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

JCMD, you "applauded" something you gave an under **** performance, unless your rating system is a **** rating system, I have no doubt you can understand DH's POV. Meanwhile, those with actual standards should be scratching their heads.

 

Still waiting for that explanation

[tekcop 0]

No one cares... but my match ratings:

 

RVD/Rey vs. The Dudleys: RVD looked pretty bad though out the whole match and the Dudleys spent most of the match on offense and didn't really do too much to keep it interesting. Other than Bubba being a dick and stuff. Rey's stuff was pretty good but nothing you haven't seen before. **1/4

 

Torrie vs. Dawn: Both women actally seemed to have an idea of what they wanted to do in the match but neither of them really had the ability to do most of it. 3/4*

 

Mordechai vs. Scotty: Scotty got too much offense. DUD

 

Rico/Haas vs. Holly/Gunn: This was a lot like the opener, but better. I find Rico's antics and his oppenents fear of him funny. Haas was much better in the role of a face-in-peril than either RVD or Rey. Holly and Gunn really drug this match down. Their offense sucked and when Rico made the hottish tag they didn't even bother to treat him like a threat. **3/4

 

Jackie vs. Chavo: Glorified squash. DUD

 

Cena vs. Dupree: There was a little bit of psychology (the bearhug after Cena's bump to the floor and Cena countering the powerbomb) but other than that it really was really vanilla and you could have replace both workers with just about anyone else in the WWE or OVW and they could have had the exact same match. **1/2

 

My girlfriend called and I quit paying attention during Booker/Taker.

 

Eddie vs. Bradshaw: This was pretty fun. The story was pretty neat, too. Eddie hated Bradshaw and didn't care about winning while winning was all that Bradshaw cared about. He was willing to do anything necassary to win. His racial shit and verbal attacks on Eddie's mother were just part his plan to piss off Eddie and keep him unfocused during the match. Bradshaw's plan backfired in his face and--other then a short section of the match where Bradshaw was in control--Eddie made him his bitch. I liked the ending as it fit perfectly with the story. ***1/4

[Just call me Dan 0]

JCMD, you "applauded" something you gave an under **** performance, unless your rating system is a **** rating system, I have no doubt you can understand DH's POV. Meanwhile, those with actual standards should be scratching their heads.

 

Still waiting for that explanation

I applauded it because, imho, it saved a PPV full of matches at best reaching *1/2. I HATED Booker losing straight up like any other midcarder. I HATED Mordeaci, I HATED Cena/Dupree, and everything else put me to sleep.

 

That match was just going to be the next in a series of suck, but they pulled it out. I saw it as a lot like Brock/Taker HIAC. It was just fun, definitely something I'd enjoy but no awesome spectacle of a match. The story didn't have me drawn completely in, DQ finish (granted the aftermath was good, but I don't like DQs), some spotty heat but very solidly paced, good storytelling, couple of sick spots and an overall fun experience of a match.

 

***1/2.

 

What is so hard to get about what I said? I wish I had a detailed checklist as to why I took off for what I did in the rating, but I don't. I only post that to give someone who didn't see it a feel of how they may possibly see the matchcoming off as.

[geniusMoment 0]

Thank god I have a black box so I did not have to pay for the shit tonight.

RVD/Rey vs. Dudleys *

Torrie vs. Dawn -**

Random shitty OVW guy vs. outdated shit gimmick -*

Unfunny gay duo vs. hardcore ass *

Jackie vs. Chavo -*

Cena vs. Dupree *

Undertaker vs. Booker dud

Eddy vs. Hoss **

[Tawren 0]

Thank god I have a black box so I did not have to pay for the shit tonight.

RVD/Rey vs. Dudleys *

Torrie vs. Dawn -**

Random shitty OVW guy vs. outdated shit gimmick -*

Unfunny gay duo vs. hardcore ass *

Jackie vs. Chavo -*

Cena vs. Dupree *

Undertaker vs. Booker dud

Eddy vs. Hoss **

No offense, and I'll say it again I did not see the show, but Torrie/Dawn better than Rey/RVD/Dudleys and Cena/Dupree, which we've heard were almost decent?

 

Explain.

[Guest OctoberBlood]

I thought it was a solid job. The Dawn/Torre and Chavo/Jackie garbage really killed the middle of the PPV for me, but other than that - everything was pretty decent, and I really liked the main event, even though all 4 of us who were watching predicted the exact ending.. a DQ win with them all bloody. The blade jobs were waaay obvious too. We all pointed out the ref handing Eddy the blade, then eddy slipping the blade to JBL, heh.

[CanadianChick 0]

Thank god I have a black box so I did not have to pay for the shit tonight.

RVD/Rey vs. Dudleys  *

Torrie vs. Dawn -**

Random shitty OVW guy vs. outdated shit gimmick -*

Unfunny gay duo vs. hardcore ass *

Jackie vs. Chavo -*

Cena vs. Dupree *

Undertaker vs. Booker dud

Eddy vs. Hoss **

No offense, and I'll say it again I did not see the show, but Torrie/Dawn better than Rey/RVD/Dudleys and Cena/Dupree, which we've heard were almost decent?

 

Explain.

That's -** I'm sure.

[Tawren 0]

That's -** I'm sure.

Ah, I wasn't looking close enough and assumed that was just talking like this - ya know?

 

Apologies to you, GeniusMoment.

[Guest Quik]

So, anyone got those pics of Dawn's ass?

[CanadianChick 0]

We all pointed out the ref handing Eddy the blade, then eddy slipping the blade to JBL, heh.

They shared a blade? Well, that's safe and clean.

[Guest Quik]

Eddie's Mexican, and JBL is a former ruff-ridin' redneck turned city slicker. They came from different circles, but I'm sure they've shared needles with people before. So what's a razor to them?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Your words don't match your rating Dan.

 

"Main gets ***1/2 from me. I rolled my eyes at the finish but the end sequence MORE than made up for it and put Eddie over more. I was scared Eddie got cut hard-way because that was the HARDEST chairshot I've seen in quite some time. The bladejob surpassed Taker's from HIAC, and the pacing of the match was excellent. Nearfalls were wonderful, and it was good to see Eddie totally own JBL in the 1st five minutes and then work his magic to bring a feud I personally didn't want to see to life. Very happy with the main, but couldn't stay awake for most of the rest. Stellar performance by both guys in my book. *applauds*

 

If I use the words "stellar", "excellent", "very happy", "wonderful", "____est I've ever seen", "work his magic", "surpassed" to describe a match or parts of a match and one that I APPLAUDED, I'd expect that match to be more than ***1/2.

 

But that's me. I tend to give stuff that actually deserves it such praise.

 

RRR: Not arguing anything about the match -it could have been *****'s for all I care (and I don't)- but when silly things are said -like the aforementioned "perfectly average" and "I didn't hate anything, which is always good"- it should be called on.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I have good news and bad news.

 

The good news is I watched the complete 1st Season of In Living Color instead of Judgment Day.

 

The bad news is it will forever say Bradshaw won the main event of the PPV.

[Just call me Dan 0]

RRR:

 

Hey, I totally see where you are coming from. I'd say it boils down to just the type of people we are. It seems to me that ever since you totally gave up on WWE, you've transferred your nitpicking of the matches to people's posts. So, with that said, you may not get me in this sense either, but here goes.

 

My words may come off as describing something mind blowing, and when they are coupled in with things in the same paragraph that I don't like and an overall only above average rating, it could come off as misleading.

 

I rated the match on how much I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it a lot, but I also didn't feel it was a masterpiece. some spots were semi-blown, the heat was spotty, and it was not fluid throughout; not flawless. I can see in some parts where some may not like the match, but I did. There were faults. It wasn't the best match ever.

 

In my eyes, it never could have been the greatest match ever because the whole story behind it and buildup were very sub-par. I was not anticipaing the match, and so it had to grow on me. It was a good start, okayish in the middle and the end sequence was very well done (of course, IMO).

 

I had a lot of fun with it and enjoyed it. I would use words like "stellar" just to describe my overall great satisfaction with how the match turned out as opposed to what I was expecting.

 

I was very pleased that I got a fun, pretty good match out of what I was expecting a pile of shit from.

 

That's the best explaining I can do.