Ripper 0 Report post Posted May 7, 2004 The point is not wether or not they've done anything amazingly heroic it's that it's stupid to judge them for something that most of them weren't even alive for and they don't even support. Should all Americans be judged for what they did to the natives? And Africans, and Philipinos, and Japanese,.... Care to list what Americans have done to Africans --- um...the slave trade? Funny, we stopped that --- but Africans CONTINUE it. Isn't that bizarre? -=Mike ...Remember, the Baltimore Sun bought a few slaves back in the 1990's to give them their freedom. So your point is that if anyone else does something, its all cool? Damn dude, when you keep adding the most asinine points in the history of the world up there, how do you expect anyone to take your valid points seriously? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted May 7, 2004 The point is not wether or not they've done anything amazingly heroic it's that it's stupid to judge them for something that most of them weren't even alive for and they don't even support. Should all Americans be judged for what they did to the natives? And Africans, and Philipinos, and Japanese,.... Care to list what Americans have done to Africans --- um...the slave trade? Funny, we stopped that --- but Africans CONTINUE it. Isn't that bizarre? -=Mike ...Remember, the Baltimore Sun bought a few slaves back in the 1990's to give them their freedom. But Germany remains a Nazi state, eh Mike? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted May 7, 2004 The point is not wether or not they've done anything amazingly heroic it's that it's stupid to judge them for something that most of them weren't even alive for and they don't even support. Should all Americans be judged for what they did to the natives? And Africans, and Philipinos, and Japanese,.... Care to list what Americans have done to Africans --- save feed them and help them deal with AIDS? And the Japanese? Only gave them a stable democracy and helped them become economic superpowers. The Filipinos? Only helped them get a rather stable democracy. Yup, we're quite the bastards. -=Mike You have got to be fucking kidding me. Okay, its one thing to try and support your point, but come on, even you can't believe that bullshit you just typed. Africa STILL HAS a slave trade --- so don't even begin to gripe about that. We stopped that here. And, again, we only feed them presently and help them fight AIDS. Curse us. I bet he does. I love it. It's disgustingly funny. Love it all you wish. It's true. Wow. Africans - Slavery. Which we ended our part of (shame THEY won't stop it), fed them, help them deal with AIDS. Funny, the good seems to always get left out of your America bashing. Japanese - Atomic bombs and internment camps As opposed to an invasion, which would have killed more people. We've also given reparations to those who were interned. Heck, FDR had some bad ideas. Funny you ignore the whole stable democracy and the economic might that they had for the 80's. Read up on you American-Philipenes history Mike. Alot more happened there than just the Thrilla in Manilla.... And a lot more good than bad has happened. Deal with it. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted May 7, 2004 But Germany remains a Nazi state, eh Mike? Anti-Semitic, to be sure. Nazi? No. They're basically useless. So your point is that if anyone else does something, its all cool? Listening to some people, you'd think the evil white man STARTED the slave trade in Africa. It had been going on for centuries and continues to this very day. Western civilization is the only one that really abhors it. Damn dude, when you keep adding the most asinine points in the history of the world up there, how do you expect anyone to take your valid points seriously? We ended the slave trade. We feed a great many people. We help a great many deal with AIDS. But, heck, that's not enough, right? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted May 7, 2004 So if a suicide bomber does alot of good things before he bombs the shit out of something, You take the good over the bad? What kind of ignorant dribble is this? America's slave trade and civil rights abuse of those people is OKAY because Africa still does it? Japanese Americans, the whole treating you like criminals and imprisoning you unjustly thing doesn't really matter. We helped your economy...geez. Are you saying that if Germany helped Isral they would be in the clear for the whole Holocaust thing in your eyes? Fuck, the Taliban fed SOME hungry people, but fuck those guys. I don't care. You can't on one hand mock Germany for critisizing mistreatment of POWs because of what they did in WWII and turn around and say "But America is cool for all it did during that era and afterwards because we helped some people." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest hunger4unger Report post Posted May 7, 2004 I'm sorry everyone hates us... I'm sorry we didn't release the VIDEOS of the abuse we apparently have. I'm also sorry that the soldiers who did this were so damned idiotic to document it so thoroughly. -=Mike Are you suggesting that the torture was okay as long as the general public didn't find out about it?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2004 Africans - Slavery. Um....are either you or cobain European? Because, if so, you really aren't in any place to criticize America about the slave trade. Most of our slaves were sold to us.....by your people. Then again, it's kind of silly to be going back hundreds of years to find something to insult people about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted May 8, 2004 So if a suicide bomber does alot of good things before he bombs the shit out of something, You take the good over the bad? Nope. But if a guy kills a kid due to drunk driving but, after a jail sentence, spends the rest of his life warning against driving while intoxicated and uses himself as an example of what can happen --- then I'm more forgiving. What kind of ignorant dribble is this? America's slave trade and civil rights abuse of those people is OKAY because Africa still does it? OK, time for a news flash: At some point in history, every group on Earth was enslaved by another. Do Christians claim that Italy is evil because of the way the Romans treated them? Japanese Americans, the whole treating you like criminals and imprisoning you unjustly thing doesn't really matter. We helped your economy...geez. We made reparations and apologies. Best we CAN do. We also gave Japan a stable democracy (which, it should be noted, they STILL HAVE to this very day) and rebuilt the country. Are you saying that if Germany helped Isral they would be in the clear for the whole Holocaust thing in your eyes? No --- but the fact that they didn't do squat and vote against Israel on a regular basis only discounts their views. Fuck, the Taliban fed SOME hungry people, but fuck those guys. I don't care. No, they actually didn't. WE did it. WE fed FAR more people than the Taliban ever tried to in Afghanistan. You can't on one hand mock Germany for critisizing mistreatment of POWs because of what they did in WWII and turn around and say "But America is cool for all it did during that era and afterwards because we helped some people." We've MADE UP FOR OUR SINS and done tons of good on top of that. Nobody else can make even a tiny fraction of that claim. Are you suggesting that the torture was okay as long as the general public didn't find out about it?! Nope. Just that they were bloody idiotic to record it for posterity. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted May 8, 2004 Africans - Slavery. Um....are either you or cobain European? Because, if so, you really aren't in any place to criticize America about the slave trade. Most of our slaves were sold to us.....by your people. Then again, it's kind of silly to be going back hundreds of years to find something to insult people about. I'm Canadian. Slaves came here to get away from "your people" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted May 8, 2004 Africans - Slavery. Um....are either you or cobain European? Because, if so, you really aren't in any place to criticize America about the slave trade. Most of our slaves were sold to us.....by your people. Then again, it's kind of silly to be going back hundreds of years to find something to insult people about. I'm Canadian. Slaves came here to get away from "your people" Yet they all, pretty well, came back here. Man, how bad did Canada suck? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted May 9, 2004 You know, Mike, I'm usually with ya when you're talking with whichever Kamui or Hunger or whoever that complains about the use of the bomb on Japan. But the internment camps can't be downplayed. Look at the relocation and treatment of Americans from Japan. What we did to our own people, who are supposed to be protected by our rights. People who downplay what Bush has done to civil liberties and say it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be, they have a point that can be argued for. People who downplay something like the Japanese American internment, however, must be clueless. That exactly IS what it used to be! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted May 9, 2004 You know, Mike, I'm usually with ya when you're talking with whichever Kamui or Hunger or whoever that complains about the use of the bomb on Japan. But the internment camps can't be downplayed. Look at the relocation and treatment of Americans from Japan. What we did to our own people, who are supposed to be protected by our rights. Yes, we did wrong. And we made amends for it the best we possibly could. Unlike, say, Europe --- which has Hitler's fantasy of a virtually non-existant Jewish population going on. People who downplay what Bush has done to civil liberties and say it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be, they have a point that can be argued for. People who downplay something like the Japanese American internment, however, must be clueless. That exactly IS what it used to be! We made amends the best we could. We apologized officially for the bad policy and made reparations. If you're looking for self-flagellation ad infinitum, give it up. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Markme123 0 Report post Posted May 9, 2004 It's MikeSC vs the World!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted May 9, 2004 It's MikeSC vs the World!! Nope, just a few leftists. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted May 9, 2004 It's MikeSC vs the World!! Nope, just a few leftists. -=Mike But, Mike, don't you get it? They ARE the world! The majority of the world IS progressive (well, except the media-thank goodness for Air America leveling the playing field), unlike you, the agressive hawkish American holding on to unpopular world views... This is why they HATE us! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted May 9, 2004 It's MikeSC vs the World!! Nope, just a few leftists. -=Mike But, Mike, don't you get it? They ARE the world! The majority of the world IS progressive (well, except the media-thank goodness for Air America leveling the playing field), unlike you, the agressive hawkish American holding on to unpopular world views... This is why they HATE us! I thought it was because they were jealous of my manly musky scent and my huge...well, nevermind. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
