USA POW Beheaded

[Downhome 0]

Or just remember any number of instances, there are plenty for us to remember.

[Ripper 0]

Muslim extremism has to go --- and, sadly, I am not convinced that mainstream Muslims would do anything but fight us about it. These groups are a threat to the int'l comunity and that is not acceptable.

 

Will this require a war againsty Islam? I'd like to believe no --- but as saw w/ the beheading, Muslims seem to have a hard time condemning obvious atrocities. It MIGHT end up with that as a sad necessity --- but we have to protect ourselves.

 

As for the violence in the Congo, no real Christian would do that (yes, there are some extremists on our side who need to be eliminated) and we should make WHOMEVER is committing atrocities (and, by us, I mean the US because the UN never will) suffer mightily for doing so.

You can't take the no real Christian approach on that. You readily ignore when the Muslim leaders scream at the top of their lungs that this is not the way of Islam, a true Muslim wouldn't do this, but try to use that when someone does something horrible in the name of christanity. It works both way.

 

 

People continue to ignore the astronomical amount of muslim and islam followers that are not committing acts of terrorism and evil. A thousands of extremeist does represent the majorities feelings. We are talking about billions of people here.

[Guest MikeSC]

You can't take the no real Christian approach on that.  You readily ignore when the Muslim leaders scream at the top of their lungs that this is not the way of Islam, a true Muslim wouldn't do this, but try to use that when someone does something horrible in the name of christanity.  It works both way.

The "Christians" who do this aren't Christians to me because, the moment you behave in such a manner, you cease being human.

 

From that point on, you're, well, monkeys. You get that designation from me solely by your actions --- again, you TRY to kill innocent civilians to get your point across and you forfeit your humanity.

 

The IRA is every inch as bad as Muslim terrorists. Tim McVeigh is every inch as bad as the hijackers of 9/11. They're ALL sub-human monkeys.

 

Christian terrorists are every inch as evil as Muslim terrorists and need to be eliminated the moment they pose a real threat to the int'l community --- if they don't already.

People continue to ignore the astronomical amount of muslim and islam followers that are not committing acts of terrorism and evil.  A thousands of extremeist does represent the majorities feelings.  We are talking about billions of people here.

I'm not saying all Muslims commit these acts --- but, as the stories linked here show, trying to find Muslims who will condemn the acts without attempting to justify them is almost impossible. I'm sure most Muslims are peaceful and all --- but they HAVE to learn, eventually, to stop saying "Yeah, that was bad, BUT..."

 

The "BUT" kills any criticism they make. And this is a problem WAY too many Muslim groups have (looks DIRECTLY at CAIR).

 

It's as offensive as if Christian leaders tried to defend the Catholic Church for their defense of the molestation scandal. I can't think of ANY non-Catholic leader who did anything but condemn the whole thing completely and without any attempt to lessen the condemnation.

 

If you had leaders say "Yes, raping little boys is wrong, BUT..." --- would you take the "condemnation" seriously?

 

Yeah, me neither.

-=Mike

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

We've been watching over hunger4unger for weeks now, and he's finally gone over the top. He's either trolling or needs to be locked up, but he's causing way too many disturbances here.

[Guest MikeSC]

We've been watching over hunger4unger for weeks now, and he's finally gone over the top. He's either trolling or needs to be locked up, but he's causing way too many disturbances here.

But who's going to bring the insanity?

 

And who'll comfort kkk when he learns this happened?

-=Mike

[Styles 0]

The guy they are pinning this murder on, Abu Musab Zarqawi, allegedly bin Laden's chief of chemical weapons, actually had a leg blown off in Afghanistan...I didn't see anyone with limited mobility in the video. Also, look at the SIZE of those guys...they look more like well fed Americans that arabs...you have to ask....would evil men with unlimited wealth and power kill in order to keep such wealth and power...? This is really scary stuff...half the conspiracy stuff I read or think about I don't take seriously and keep an open mind on, but this....it's actually scaring me.

He knows too much, better ban him

 

lol, I didn't want him to be banned though, he's so demented he's entertaining for us rational people. Oh well, this thread is about to get even MORE off topic...

[Ripper 0]

Hizbolla's "apology":

 

Hizbollah said Berg's killing had diverted the world's gaze from an escalating furor over the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by occupation soldiers.

 

"The timing of this act that overshadowed the scandal over the abuse of Iraqi prisoners in occupation forces prisons is suspect timing that aims to serve the American administration and occupation forces in Iraq and present excuses and pretexts for their inhumane practices against Iraqi detainees."

 

The Syrian-backed group which the United States deems "terrorist" said the executors' behavior was closer to "the Pentagon school -- the school of killing and occupation and crimes and torture and immoral practices that were exposed by the great scandal in occupation prisons."

 

Washington blames Hizbollah, whose attacks forced Israeli troops to withdraw from south Lebanon in 2000 after a 22-year occupation, for 1980s suicide bombings against its embassy and Marines barracks and the abduction of Westerners in Beirut.

Hizbollah said Berg's killing had diverted the world's gaze from an escalating furor over the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by occupation soldiers.

 

"The timing of this act that overshadowed the scandal over the abuse of Iraqi prisoners in occupation forces prisons is suspect timing that aims to serve the American administration and occupation forces in Iraq and present excuses and pretexts for their inhumane practices against Iraqi detainees."

 

The Syrian-backed group which the United States deems "terrorist" said the executors' behavior was closer to "the Pentagon school -- the school of killing and occupation and crimes and torture and immoral practices that were exposed by the great scandal in occupation prisons."

 

Washington blames Hizbollah, whose attacks forced Israeli troops to withdraw from south Lebanon in 2000 after a 22-year occupation, for 1980s suicide bombings against its embassy and Marines barracks and the abduction of Westerners in Beirut.

 

Typical Muslim sing song "we're sorry this happened, but remember you guys are worse..." reaction. Pathetic. I'm not even past this point in the thread, and I already spotted a Hunger post when scrolling down, so I have more reading to do!

Where the hell did you quote THAT from.

 

The Syrian-backed group which the United States deems "terrorist" said the executors' behavior was closer to "the Pentagon school -- the school of killing and occupation and crimes and torture and immoral practices that were exposed by the great scandal in occupation prisons."

 

A TERRORIST leader thinks this? WHAT? REALLY?

 

How is he suppose to be the representative of the typical Muslim feelings on this?

[Guest SideFXs]

People continue to ignore the astronomical amount of muslim and islam followers that are not committing acts of terrorism and evil.  A thousands of extremeist does represent the majorities feelings.  We are talking about billions of people here.

All the more reason to kill these extremists. They hate the West. Their understanding of Islam says to kill all infidels, in the name of God. Never negotiate with infidels. And kill all infidels who will not convert to Islam.

 

Their leaders want to control the masses, using religion. They want to rule over the MIddle East and then the world.

 

They see that President Bush and American are trying to restore freedom in Iraq as a threat to them. So, Al-Qaida is doing everything they can to destabilize the region. They want to weaken our resolve in the war against terrorism, using the media and American politicians against Bush and the war, and images of terror such as Nick Berg's horrifying beheading.

[Downhome 0]

I just went back and read his latest posts, and I'm just shocked. No way in hell could this guy be serious, I just don't buy it. He says one thing, people get pissed, then he seems to go out of his way to top his last rant of stuipidity to get a rise out of people once again.

 

I didn't think he was a troll a few pages back, but it's getting to the point where it's rather obvious.

 

There are only two things it could be.

 

1) He is a troll.

 

2) He's the biggest ingrate in the history of this board.

 

Take your pick.

 

Back on topic though, what is the latest real news on any of this? I haven't been keeping up this morning so far.

 

And Ripper, for the love of God, post more and offten.

[Styles 0]

A TERRORIST leader thinks this?  WHAT?  REALLY? 

 

How is he suppose to be the representative of the typical Muslim feelings on this?

Ripper, it was quoted straight from one of Tyler's link that "proves that the Arab world condemns the killing". So you proved the point I was making, thanks. And it's not my fault he doesn't read what he posts and somehow thinks Hizbollah is representative of the Arab world...

[Ripper 0]

A TERRORIST leader thinks this?  WHAT?  REALLY? 

 

How is he suppose to be the representative of the typical Muslim feelings on this?

Ripper, it was quoted straight from one of Tyler's link that "proves that the Arab world condemns the killing". So you proved the point I was making, thanks. And it's not my fault he doesn't read what he posts and somehow thinks Hizbollah is representative of the Arab world...

did you noticed it repeated itself. Its like a news story on loop for lazy people that don't want to look up again.

[Guest Wildbomb 4:20]

My post got the Undertaker treatment from the CE folder...it was no sold.

 

Anyways:

 

hunger4unger=Kamui II?

 

I was going to make a more logical point, but my brain has conveniently left the office for the day. Plus, I'm working on putting up a new thread on religious fundamentalism, to see if anyone agrees with it.

[Guest MikeSC]

My post got the Undertaker treatment from the CE folder...it was no sold.

It lacked hunger's work's psychotic quality. Sorry.

Anyways:

 

hunger4unger=Kamui II?

Heck, I wanted to do a side-by-side comparison, but you using "Kamui" as a name in the search engine here doesn't work at all.

did you noticed it repeated itself. Its like a news story on loop for lazy people that don't want to look up again.

I think his point was that this example of the Muslim community condemning the slaughter was a really bad example.

-=Mike

[Guest Cerebus]

New York Slimes~!

 

In Arab World, Press Coverage of Beheading Varies Widely

By ABEER ALLAM

 

Published: May 13, 2004

 

 

AIRO, May 12 — The videotaped beheading of Nicholas Berg, the young American civilian, by Islamic militants received widely divergent treatment in the Arab press on Wednesday, with most papers playing it up but some ignoring it.

 

Most newspapers across the Middle East treated the gruesome videotape as front-page news, though generally secondary to stories about the deaths of six Israeli soldiers in the Gaza Strip.

 

But in Egypt, Al Akhbar, a semiofficial daily, tucked a 10-line news agency report into its inside pages, while another leading daily, Al Ahram, ignored the news altogether.

 

The Syrian papers also ignored the killing, though President Bush's announcement of sanctions against Damascus received blanket coverage. A Kuwaiti paper, Al Siyassah al Kuwaitia ran a front-page story with a photograph of one of the militants holding up Mr. Berg's head.

 

While the news broke close to deadline for many Arab papers, a journalism expert here said concern about protecting Americans from copycat killings was the main reason for the scant coverage.

 

"It is a responsible decision to avoid giving much exposure to this type of news," said Hussein Amin, chairman of the department of mass communication at the American University in Cairo. "People are highly emotional now because of Abu Ghraib pictures. The government does not want to incite or give ideas to young or extremist people to start taking matters into their own hands."

 

A Lebanese newspaper, As Safir, published its report on the front page with the by now familiar photograph of Mr. Berg sitting in front of the militants with a headline reading, "Zarqawi Slaughters an American to Avenge Iraqi Prisoners."

 

The London-based pan-Arab newspapers both led their editions with the beheading reports.

 

Asharq al Awsat ran the photo of Mr. Berg sitting in front of five militants under the headline "Zarqawi Slaughtered an American." Al Hayat published the story without pictures, under the headline "Zarqawi Executes an American in Retaliation for the Torture."

 

The main Arab satellite channels, Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya, broadcast just a clip of the video showing Mr. Berg sitting before his executioners, with anchors briefly reading the report.

 

"Every time when we have a tape, there is a give and take to run it or not to run it," said Jihad Ballout, a spokesman for Al Jazeera. In this case, he said: "There was no professional reason why we should air it. Showing the beheading scene would be against decency altogether."

 

Web sites of militant groups expressed joy over the beheading and ran photos from the video side by side with photos of the abuse of Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison. One site mocked President Bush's praise for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, saying, "Zarqawi is doing a superb job." Another wrote, "Please send us a head every day."

 

In Cairo, some moderate Muslim groups expressed regret that the killing eclipsed the horror of the pictures of abuse at Abu Ghraib.

 

"I was disgusted, and I felt so sorry," said Dr. Essam al-Erian, a spokesman for the Muslim Brotherhood, a group that seeks to establish an Islamic state in Egypt by constitutional means. "They are crazy people who defamed Muslims and Islam and helped only Bush.

 

"They wasted all the gains the Arabs received from exposing the horrors of Abu Ghraib prison and instead shifted all the attention to this shameful act."

[Guest MikeSC]

Yeah, I buy their reasoning. No reason to doubt them AT ALL.

 

I LOVED the guy at the end discussing how the terrorists undid all the good Muslims had by "exposing" the "torture" at Abu Gharib.

 

WE exposed the torture, you morons.

-=Mike

[Guest Loss]

However, their people have avoided dancing in the street, as they did after 9/11, so it's a LITTLE better.

 

Was it not later uncovered that the footage shown was nearly 10 years old and was in fact not after 9/11 at all?

[Guest MikeSC]

However, their people have avoided dancing in the street, as they did after 9/11, so it's a LITTLE better.

 

Was it not later uncovered that the footage shown was nearly 10 years old and was in fact not after 9/11 at all?

Not that I ever heard of.

-=Mike

[Styles 0]

However, their people have avoided dancing in the street, as they did after 9/11, so it's a LITTLE better.

 

Was it not later uncovered that the footage shown was nearly 10 years old and was in fact not after 9/11 at all?

No, in fact that was a rumor, that was proven to be false. The footage was indeed authentic. Read about that here: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.htm

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

Some shock-jock in the pacific northwest (I'm guessing Seattle) apparently played the whole thing on the air. Suffice to say it hasn't gone over well.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

How would you play a beheading over the radio?

[NoCalMike 0]

Michael Savage has played the screaming part of the audio over the radio for the past 3 days.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I haven't seen the whole video but I have seen the, uh, money shot (I guess) because someone linked me to an animated gif of it without telling me prior what it is.

 

And Savage is playing the sounds? Eeww, I guess I'm going to have to listen to Hannity for the next few weeks to get my laughs.

[Guest Crazy Dan]

Man, I will say that the whole beheading thing was dispicable act of inhumanity. Now I am one that has said that it was wrong to mistreat the prisoners, on the grounds that it would make the US look bad, and plus I feel that we must show that we are above such acts. And as I said, I do not believe those acts of a few morons are a reflection of all the men who are serving over there and following orders and acting like soldiers, who have my support, even if I do not support the war.

 

The abuse of the prisoners is a terrible thing and should be dealt with properly. However, that is no means a justification of what has happened. I am not seeing how the embarassing things that were done to the prisoners gets equated with justification of beheading (which was something I did watch just once, and never want to again) or commiting retaliation through more murder. And that what this was, plain and simple. And worse, these thugs were justifying through their religion, by chanting Allah name, like this is something Allah is so proud of. Last I check, the Koran does not justify the killing of innocents, and this man was only guilty of being in Iraq, trying to help get the country back on its feet. These men are murderers plain and simple. I do not think they are monkeys, but I do think they are killers, and justice must be brought down swiftly.

 

But I feel so bad for the family of this man. It was very sad to watch his family so shocked and upset over the news. It was so heartbreaking. Just as it is for anyone who loses a son in combat, this was just another case of why war is a terrible thing, but a necessary evil. And how this man was killed was one of the worse things I have ever seen, since Dan Pearl's murder. I agree that we are dealing with some nasty people here, and showing that they are willing to kill hostages, just shows how dangerous that section of the world is, and that we are dealing people who believe they are doing God's work, which they will justify their cause time and time again. Religion used to help make you a better person is a good thing. Religion used to justify killing all non-believers is very bad thing. And that is what we are dealing with, religious fanatics who think that they are making Allah proud.

 

And it is disapointing that not more Muslim leaders are codemning this, along with other acts of murder against Americans, amoung others. Even though I heard that three leaders did codemn this, it still was not enough. And I don't know if it is because people in these countries see it as a Muslim vs Non-Muslim thing, or if the people are poorly educated so that if the clerics they go to happens to subscribe to this type of hatred, and they are going to believe what is spewed out to them. And that is why this is going to be a situation that is going to take a whole lot of time to fix. And why I forsee more terrible incidents like this happening. Becuase this is a like religious war, and until people are able to see past that murder is murder, it is going to be very tough to stop these acts.

 

So I hope that those responsible are brought to justice for this murder. This is a case where I hope they try to fight back, so that we can skip the whole trial thing, and get to their proper sentence. And I am one who is against the death penalty too, but what they did was beyond any human being would do, and once again these murderers deserve to die. We are entering a very difficult time, with video, there will be more and more deaths like this broadcast. And unfortunately this will recruit some sickos to the cause. And I do agree that we are at war with terrorism. And as much as I am against war in genereal, groups like this do not deserve to exist. I just hate how they use Allah to justify their cause. Just as any sicko who feels by killing abortion Dr.s is justified by the Bible, this is the same thing. But I have always thought that religion was about loving your fellow man, being a good person, and so forth. Heck, many Muslims I have met have been very kind good people. Just as many other religious people I have met have been wonderful people. Unfortunately this is a case of the other side of the spectrum, and shows the ugly side of religion.

 

We have a long road ahead of us with a body count that will continue to grow, but for now, my prayers go to the family of the man bruttaly murdered and to all our men overseas who are fighting, and who unfortunately will come back in a coffin. I am sure we all have our solutions on how we should fight the war and stuff, but right now lets just honor our fallen, and pray that this can be solved without losing too many of our young men and women. And that maybe one day the Middle East will ragain the type of status it once held as a center of culture, art, and harmony. (I read about this is a History book as well as a very good Time article).

 

Maybe I am naive, but one can hope can't he.

[Swift Terror 0]

Well, the far left is politicizing this already.

 

The father of Nick Berg is a proud member of the delusional whack jobs known as Internationl ANSWER.

 

Michael Berg is specifically blaming Bush and Rumsfeld for this. He also used his press conference to criticize the Patriot Act of al things and claimed that the Act had something to do with his son's death. He is giving out the dates for an upcoming rally against Bush, mere days after his son is brutally slaughtered. Despicable.

 

He says he wants to "act now to end the war"--well then, perhaps he should direct this message to the radical Muslims who wish to continue to slaughter infidels, in the manner of their prophet and founder of Islam, that being Muhammed.

 

The Koran absolutely does justify the killing of innocents.

 

And Kerry is following right along, making his own statements, tiptoeing around blaming Bush for this and the prison scandal.

[Guest MikeSC]

I haven't seen the whole video but I have seen the, uh, money shot (I guess) because someone linked me to an animated gif of it without telling me prior what it is.

 

And Savage is playing the sounds? Eeww, I guess I'm going to have to listen to Hannity for the next few weeks to get my laughs.

I, honestly, have no problem playing the audio. Jobber, people need to face what it is we're dealing with. If people wish to believe that diplomacy can work --- that tape should disprove them of that notion.

 

And Hannity played it before Savage.

 

As for Mr. Berg --- I understand he's angry. I cannot FATHOM the pain he feels. However, if he's going to use his son's death to advance his political agenda (he was anti-war long before the death), then criticizing him, to me, is fair game.

 

His son was killed by evil little sub-human monkeys who killed a man whose ONLY crime was trying to build up the infrastructure of Iraq so the people MIGHT be able to get out of the 13th Century. Blaming prison abuse is ridiculous and blaming the Patriot Act is laughable. And if Kerry decides to use this as ammo to attack Bush --- as he has the Abu Gharib pictures --- well, it'd be par for the course.

 

And nice to hear Ted Kennedy confuse taking naked pictures of Iraqis with killing several hundred thousand of them. Heck, Ted has directly killed more people than Bush has ever dreamed of.

-=Mike

EDIT: His father's comment that Al Qaeda "might" be as bad as Bush is just REAL out there

[Vyce 0]

And if Kerry decides to use this as ammo to attack Bush --- as he has the Abu Gharib pictures --- well, it'd be par for the course.

 

I have to hope, in my heart, that the majority of America would turn completely against him if he decides to use this man's death as a political weapon against Bush. I HAVE to believe that the American people would have at least that much tact.

 

BTW, Mike, this is something interesting I heard on FAUX (LOL2004!!!) yesterday: part of those billions that Kerry and some other Democrats voted against for Iraq would have been used to build new prisons - making Abu Gharib unnecessary - and that particular provision was thus taken out; I even believe Ted Kennedy was quoted as personally speaking out against the building of the new prisons.

[Guest MikeSC]

BTW, Mike, this is something interesting I heard on FAUX (LOL2004!!!) yesterday: part of those billions that Kerry and some other Democrats voted against for Iraq would have been used to build new prisons - making Abu Gharib unnecessary - and that particular provision was thus taken out; I even believe Ted Kennedy was quoted as personally speaking out against the building of the new prisons.

Ted also says we're as bad as Saddam when it comes to prisoner abuse --- so the man already has a track record of being an idiot.

-=Mike

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Well, the far left is politicizing this already.

 

The father of Nick Berg is a proud member of the delusional whack jobs known as Internationl ANSWER.

 

Michael Berg is specifically blaming Bush and Rumsfeld for this. He also used his press conference to criticize the Patriot Act of al things and claimed that the Act had something to do with his son's death. He is giving out the dates for an upcoming rally against Bush, mere days after his son is brutally slaughtered. Despicable.

 

He says he wants to "act now to end the war"--well then, perhaps he should direct this message to the radical Muslims who wish to continue to slaughter infidels, in the manner of their prophet and founder of Islam, that being Muhammed.

 

The Koran absolutely does justify the killing of innocents.

 

And Kerry is following right along, making his own statements, tiptoeing around blaming Bush for this and the prison scandal.

Because the right has never politicized a tragedy...

 

 

9/11, anyone?

[Guest MikeSC]

Well, the far left is politicizing this already.

 

The father of Nick Berg is a proud member of the delusional whack jobs known as Internationl ANSWER.

 

Michael Berg is specifically blaming Bush and Rumsfeld for this. He also used his press conference to criticize the Patriot Act of al things and claimed that the Act had something to do with his son's death. He is giving out the dates for an upcoming rally against Bush, mere days after his son is brutally slaughtered. Despicable.

 

He says he wants to "act now to end the war"--well then, perhaps he should direct this message to the radical Muslims who wish to continue to slaughter infidels, in the manner of their prophet and founder of Islam, that being Muhammed.

 

The Koran absolutely does justify the killing of innocents.

 

And Kerry is following right along, making his own statements, tiptoeing around blaming Bush for this and the prison scandal.

Because the right has never politicized a tragedy...

 

 

9/11, anyone?

Bush mentions 9/11 because it happened on his watch (no different than FDR using Pearl Harbor liberally in his 1944 campaign)

-=Mike

[Guest Ram]

The Koran absolutely does justify the killing of innocents.

Amr al-Kindi asked the Holy Prophet (PBUH) “Suppose I met one of the infidels and we fought. He struck one of my hands with his sword, cut it off and then took refuge in a tree and said, ‘I surrender to Allah’. Could I kill him, O Messenger of Allah, after he had said this?” Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said, “you should not kill him” Al-Miqdad said, “O Allah’s Messenger, but he had cut off my hands, and then he had uttered those words.” Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) replied, “You should not kill him, and you would be in his position where he had been before uttering these words.” 

 

...

 

The Qur’an says, “And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you but be not aggressive. Surely Allah loves not the aggressors.” (2:190)