Holly/Gunn - Convenience or Potential?

[Guest gearhead]

Holly/Gunn - Convenience or Potential?

 

If you read the Judgement Day card posted Hardcore Holly and Billy Gunn would be teaming up to face Charlie Haas and Rico for the tag team titles. Do you think these two are just another marriage of convenience done by WWE or do they really have potential to help the tag division again?

 

Billy Gunn has, of late, received a bigger push than he deserves by WWE. He really doesn't have anything special about him whatsoever. He doesn't have the look and superstar factor. His brawling style makes brawling look weak. He has no crowd reaction and his character is one of the worst nightmares conjured up by WWE Creative. He portrays a pretty boy kind of wrestler but he doesn't look the part. Personally, I can't see why WWE pushes him. Hardcore Holly isn't any better. With a bad backstage reputation and a very stiff but ineffective style, Hardcore Holly is a example of useless old timers here in WWE. His biggest push to date is a feud with Brock Lesnar, a feud which many cheered Lesnar, the heel instead of Holly. Brock than squashed Holly like the jobber he was. With Holly's badass portrayal, he absolutely looks ridiculous. He doesn't have the look one bit and wearing bright coloured trunks doesn't help at all. These two were failures of the Attitude era and can't seem to fit in this new one.

 

Still, they have been successful in tag teams in the past. Gunn teamed with Road Dogg and formed the New Age Outlaws, the most entertaining team in the Attitude era. Holly teamed with Micheal Lockwood and formed the Hollys, a team which kept both of them on the map. Combine these two and what do you get? A successful tag team IMO. RVD and Booker T was a marriage of convenience. Yet, when they split up, they somehow became bigger stars when Booker betrayed Van Dam. As a team they had no reaction but their split was huge. It showed that splits and forms have their perks and Holly/Gunn could be something like that IMO.

 

Thoughts?

[Guest Trivia247]

in 2001 Gunn and Holly had a "Low" card feud on Heat over who had the better Dropkick. Mechanically both wrestlers are pretty much at the same level so it would be a pretty decent team if they book them properly

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Using the word 'potential' in any sentence containing 'Billy Gunn' or 'Bob Holly' is already wrong on at least 40 levels.

 

And that's just off the top of my head.

 

Thumbs down to the New New Midnight Express.

[Guest nikowwf]

Thought - anyone with less than 100 posts should not be allowed to start a thread. Don't start so many threads - no one is going to discuss 100 topics in 100 different threads.

 

niko

[justcoz 0]

They have potential although they are two guys I'd like for WWE to just give away to TNA. Russo and Jarrett would probably have a field day using them. However, if Vince and company are indeed loyal to Gunn and Holly for their years of service, using them in this tag team may be the best bet.

 

I like Gunn as a tag team wrestler. I loved the New Age Outlaws and they were a big part of the WWF's Attitude resurgence. They were providing a hip and comedic part to RAW that you were getting from The Outsiders on Nitro and not getting on WWF television beyond Austin and the HBK/HHH DX.

 

They saw Gunn as a singles wrestler which is when his career went down hill. He went from having a cool nick name, "Bad Ass" Billy Gunn, to a full fledged homo erotic inspired gimmick as "Mr. Ass" with pink tights, thongs, ass exposing and the worst music.

 

Bob Holly has never been over despite attempts. Sparky? New Midnight Express? Russo had him getting over a bit as the "Big Shot" Bob Holly but then they again gave him a gay porn star sounding "Hardcore Holly" moniker and here we are six years later with no development. He's a legit tough guy bad ass in neon pink tights and bleached white hair? I see. He's stiff, seems to be an ass by all accounts, injures young guys but who better to release than Kanyon?

 

I'm for the idea of teaming them with some tweaking to their characters. Bad Ass and Big Shot. They need a manager too.

[Cuban Linx 0]

Nobody gives a shit about either of them on their own, and teaming them together isn't going to have any benefit other than confining their suck to one segment as opposed to two. That 'Hardcore Ass' gets a Tag Title shot on PPV just shows how horrid Smackdown's tag division is.

[notJames 0]

Wow. Holly gets two Title shots in the same calendar year. What a world.

 

I don't think it's convenience or potential. It's more like desparation at this point with the NNME. Just take them both off the active roster and let them carry the other guys' luggage or something. And for fuck's sake, don't make Holly a trainer.

[humongous2002 0]

Hey rookie, stop it with these bombardment of markish threads already.

[notJames 0]

Hey humongous, stop it with these bombardment of multiple replies already. Geez, take your finger off the Return key.

 

[cabbageboy 0]

I take umbrage with the notion that Booker and RVD got no reaction. They weren't old school Rock and Roll Express type over but they were well liked by fans. That said, it was a marriage of convenience.

[BHK 0]

Holly had a ME push and failed. Billy Gunn was once Rockabilly.

 

Stick them in the lower midcard and let them put on *-**1/2 matches, but they shouldn't be anywherenear the tag titles, or the ME.

 

Besides Mable, I think Gunn is the only KOTR that failed miserably at getting over.

[David Blazenwing 0]

Besides Mable, I think Gunn is the only KOTR that failed miserably at getting over.

Wha about Shamrock? I don't recall them doing anything with him, unless I'm forgetting about something.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Besides Mable, I think Gunn is the only KOTR that failed miserably at getting over.

Wha about Shamrock? I don't recall them doing anything with him, unless I'm forgetting about something.

Well he became IC Champion, and was part of the upper-midcard as a member of the Corporation, and was still pretty over.

 

His face turn in 1999 though completely killed him off, and eventually he left.

 

 

Billy Gunn: Remained un-over, is forced back into the Tag Divisions, and overall is crap.

 

Mabel:

[Only The Strong Survive 0]

Billy Gunn needs to drop what remains of his ass gimmick. Now.

[razazteca 0]

Some people just can't work outside the tag team division..........it is Billy Gunn's fate to be the tag team champ with the most possible partners.

[Guest Korgath]

Gunn and Holly should stay in the tag team scene permanently. All singles pushes for them have failed and it's obvious that they'll never be any more than mid-card filler. I say keep them in the tag team division.

 

Heck, they can be the new 'APA' -- no-selling phuckwads.

[Jericho2000Mark 0]

I don't see what the point was in having Shamrock win the KOTR, were they even planning on pushing him to the Main Event?? Or did they just do it to blowoff The Rock-Shamrock I.C Title fued, with Shamrock finally going over decisively, without taking the belt off Rock?

[reign 0]

First off I'm in agreement that these two should stay as a team. They should by no means win the titles on Sunday because they have yet to prove themselves as a team. I don't think that there's all that much wrong with having two singles wrestlers unite to from a team becaue right now there are a lot of other guys out there not doing shit and the tag ranks suck big time. Just look at the teams on SD!..it's technicly better than Raw because there are more established teams.

1. Rico/Hass-Not an established team but they're the champs

 

2. Rikishi/S2H- Somehow back when Rikishi helped 2Cool he became a tag team partner of S2H..sorta established and at this point I'll take it...at least their dressed in similair colors

 

3. Bashams- Their heat is dead but there's still a chance.

 

4. Duds- Stale but let Paul take over and they're cool again.

 

5. Aiko&Sakoda- Why are they even still here...I bet somebody just forgot to fire them. It's a payroll glitch.

 

6. Kidman/London-Uhhh....I'm still waiting for them to have another match..but they look similair.

 

7. F.B.I- Jobbed so much to one guy there's no way to take them seriously as a threat to TWO guys at ONCE.

 

8. And Harcore/Ass makes eight...well that's not bad for numbers...at least we have a division now...

The WWE needs an excuse to vacate the SD! Tag Titles so that they can hold a round robin tourney....that's the only way I'll consider any of these teams as "real"....that would give all the teams some real exposure...push EVERYBODY else to the backburner except the WWE and U.S. titles so that the tag team scene becomes good again....8 teams are enough for a tourney...what am I saying....these teams suck....where did all the tag teams go!!!!

[Guest Choken One]

With those eight teams? No thank you.

 

I say if you aren't using the CW division...use those workers for the tag scene...

 

London/Kidman

Rey/RVD (not like they plan on pushing him)

Knoble/Nunzio (reunite the cousins)

Akio and Sakoda

Jindrak/Stamboli (disband the F.B.I and have a two man Narcisant team)

Duds

Bashams

Rikishi/S2H.

 

There's your tag roster.

[Guest Kevin Malton]

Gunn and Holly have been tagging since February so it's not quite the tagging for convenience that you suggested but I don't think we'll see too much of a push for them.