The OAO Raw Thread - May 17th, 2004

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

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Is that legal?

[Exslade ZX 0]

But that kind of sucks...I mean that's gonna rear the whole Hardy thing pointless unless they interfere at Badd Blood. And then that would just be stupid..having them interfere in the main event..but whatever.

[DangerousDamon 0]

This feud isn't over yet?

Nope. It's like the Test/Steiner feud, except........longer. This feud has been going for like 2 years.

[Anakin Flair 0]

And Shawn does the DDP exit

 

Hey, Trips cut his hair!

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

This feud isn't over yet?

its the Neverending Feud!

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Rhyno did a TAKA-like face plant

He got his hands down first, plus his head really didn't make contact w/ the ground.

Are you sure, because it looked like it made contact.

 

Haha HBK messed up the kip-up!

I believe he's wrong...and he did actually make contact. Not concussion hard or anything..but pretty hard.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

This feud isn't over yet?

its the Neverending Feud!

If someone knows the Lambchops Play Along song, please sing it with the feud that never ends instead.

[razazteca 0]

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Is that legal?

In Your House Final Four 2k4~

 

Beniot vs HBK vs HHH vs Kane

[Papacita 0]

So did Jericho get legit injured or something?

 

He seemed like the obvious choice for the winner, especially with the finish they decided to go with.

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Very, very good show.

 

Best RAW of 2004. And that's saying a lot (every RAW since Backlash has been good)

[Kardo 0]

This is the feud that does not end,

Yes it goes on and on my friends,

Some people starting fighting not knowing what it was,

And they'll continue fighting it forever just because,

This is the feud that does not end.....

[NYU 0]

The ending was ridiculous. Never could you throw out a guy like that in a Battle Royal - when you're not even IN THE MATCH - and have it count legally.

 

Really, I could go over all the reasons why I disagree with this final result: Michaels making the final elimination makes absolutely no sense, Kane didn't actually earn the title shot since he didn't throw out the last guy, Kane shouldn't be getting a PPV Title shot in the first place considering he's in a feud with Matt Hardy......but it doesn't matter. Why?

 

 

We got Gumby!

 

Gumby makes ANY Raw better!

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Very, very good show.

 

Best RAW of 2004. And that's saying a lot (every RAW since Backlash has been good)

Well, the 2nd Hour ruled, but the first hour completely sucked.

[Silence 0]

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Is that legal?

In Your House Final Four 2k4~

 

Beniot vs HBK vs HHH vs Kane

I know Benoit would be Austin, but who would be Vader, Undertaker, or Bret?

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

The ending was ridiculous. Never could you throw out a guy like that in a Battle Royal - when you're not even IN THE MATCH - and have it count legally.

 

Really, I could go over all the reasons why I disagree with this final result: Michaels making the final elimination makes absolutely no sense, Kane didn't actually earn the title shot since he didn't throw out the last guy, Kane shouldn't be getting a PPV Title shot in the first place considering he's in a feud with Matt Hardy......but it doesn't matter. Why?

 

 

We got Gumby!

 

Gumby makes ANY Raw better!

Yeah, he really does make Raw better.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Rhyno did a TAKA-like face plant

He got his hands down first, plus his head really didn't make contact w/ the ground.

Are you sure, because it looked like it made contact.

 

Haha HBK messed up the kip-up!

I believe he's wrong...and he did actually make contact. Not concussion hard or anything..but pretty hard.

If anything, his head hit his hands (which were on the floor). He definitely got his hands down 1st.

[Exslade ZX 0]

So did Jericho get legit injured or something?

 

He seemed like the obvious choice for the winner, especially with the finish they decided to go with.

Not sure...it looked like he "accidently" wen tover the top rope so I guess we won't know whether he was supposed to win or not. But he hit the steps when he went over and the ref quickly ran to check...so he might have hurt something. But then again...Cena's leg got ALL bent up at the RR and it was fine.

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Is that legal?

In Your House Final Four 2k4~

 

Beniot vs HBK vs HHH vs Kane

I know Benoit would be Austin, but who would be Vader, Undertaker, or Bret?

Benoit is Bret. Vader is HHH. Kane is Taker. HBK is Austin.

 

HHH will also be playing the part of Sid.

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Benoit is Bret.

Benoit is similar to Bret in wrestling style, but wasn't Bret in the midst of a heel turn during that time? The reason I said Austin is because he was starting to become a popular face at that time, and Benoit is a face.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, IYH seems like it might have been in February before WM 13, so the Bret=Benoit comparison is probably dead-on.

 

As for Raw, the way HHH was eliminated was odd, since HBK wasn't a part of the battle royal, and Kane's feud with Matt Hardy now seems pointless all of a sudden.

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Rhyno did a TAKA-like face plant

He got his hands down first, plus his head really didn't make contact w/ the ground.

Are you sure, because it looked like it made contact.

 

Haha HBK messed up the kip-up!

I believe he's wrong...and he did actually make contact. Not concussion hard or anything..but pretty hard.

If anything, his head hit his hands (which were on the floor). He definitely got his hands down 1st.

Ok, taped it...so just went back and that's right. He hit the floor but his hand was also right there.

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Well, this is the first full Raw I've watched in a while, and I have to say that the show's gotten a LOT better. Benoit and Edge are way over, as evidenced by the extremely hot tag match. The Eugene/Rock angle was the best one I've seen in years, and might be enough to help Eugene move towards Foley status as a major star.

 

As for the main event, the finish was a little off. HBK probably should have superkicked HHH and then left the ring so that Kane could throw him out, but that's nitpicking. The point is that from start to finish, the show was consistently interesting and entertaining, and it makes me want to tune in again next week. Raw's vastly better than it was a few months ago.

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Benoit is Bret.

Benoit is similar to Bret in wrestling style, but wasn't Bret in the midst of a heel turn during that time? The reason I said Austin is because he was starting to become a popular face at that time, and Benoit is a face.

Since Bret didn't actually turn until the next month, I was still assuming Bret was the face in the match.

 

Also, cuz Bret won.

[Guest wildpegasus]

So did Jericho get legit injured or something?

 

He seemed like the obvious choice for the winner, especially with the finish they decided to go with.

Not sure...it looked like he "accidently" wen tover the top rope so I guess we won't know whether he was supposed to win or not. But he hit the steps when he went over and the ref quickly ran to check...so he might have hurt something. But then again...Cena's leg got ALL bent up at the RR and it was fine.

Cena's leg was not fine. It was (is?) injured and was cause for concern within the WWE thus they reduced Cena's inring time.

 

Kane was known to be the winner of the battle royal for awhile now so Jericho wasn't intended to win.

 

Jericho and Batista both had bad exits. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if we hear anything about their health status.

[Exslade ZX 0]

So did Jericho get legit injured or something?

 

He seemed like the obvious choice for the winner, especially with the finish they decided to go with.

Not sure...it looked like he "accidently" wen tover the top rope so I guess we won't know whether he was supposed to win or not. But he hit the steps when he went over and the ref quickly ran to check...so he might have hurt something. But then again...Cena's leg got ALL bent up at the RR and it was fine.

Cena's leg was not fine. It was (is?) injured and was cause for concern within the WWE thus they reduced Cena's inring time.

 

Kane was known to be the winner of the battle royal for awhile now so Jericho wasn't intended to win.

 

Jericho and Batista both had bad exits. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if we hear anything about their health status.

No he wasn't? ...I remember the night of the RR, all these reports going out saying Cena may have torn his leg, and that he might be out...an dthen teh next night many reports coming out saying that it was stated that his leg was fine, and even though it looked nasty...there was nothing wrong. But they decided to sell it on TV with the knee brace and all...

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After watching such a great RAW, I have to look forward to a crappy SD. With this show, it is confirmed, Smackdown is indeed the B show, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. I was entertained the entire show, but what a weird finish to the main event. I doubt they will count HBK's elimination of HHH....

[Tawren 0]

Solid show. Certainly not great. Better than JD (of course ). I really liked Benoit/Edge vs Orton/Batista for the abilities of 3 of the 4, maybe **3/4.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Cena's leg was not fine. It was (is?) injured and was cause for concern within the WWE thus they reduced Cena's inring time.

 

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No he wasn't? ...I remember the night of the RR, all these reports going out saying Cena may have torn his leg, and that he might be out...an dthen teh next night many reports coming out saying that it was stated that his leg was fine, and even though it looked nasty...there was nothing wrong. But they decided to sell it on TV with the knee brace and all...

Trust me on this. His leg was hurt. Initially the "fine" report just seemed to be a report to tell everyone that Cena wouldn't be out for months and months after it appeared that Cena's leg was screwed beyond belief after his landing at the Rumble. It was bothering him and they did reduce his time in the ring because of that. The WWE was scared it could lead to bigger problems if they didn't.

 

Reports came out after awhile that his leg was hurting so those initial reports weren't that accurate. I don't know who released those initial reports but the WWE often says things are less bad than they actually are. And than we got to remember "fine" in wrestling truly isn't fine anywhere else in life.

[Guest Besus]

Smackdown sucks.

Smackdown is crap.

Smackdown blows.

Smackdown is boring.

Raw>SD

Raw>JD

ANYTHING>SD

 

Did I sum it up for the rest of the week? Fuck.

 

JD has come and gone,so some are going to say GAB is going to suck like JD every day and Raw>GAB.

 

Raw has a PPV coming up,so some are going to say Badd Blood>SD,JD&GAB

every day, basically.

 

DAMN some constantly brag about thinking SD sucks,Raw>SD,not watching SD

but continuously bring it up.

 

CONTINUOUSLY.CONSTANTLY.

 

I'm Besus,bitches and I want it to end.(Man of...)

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Damn, you're still around?

 

Anyways,

The ending was ridiculous. Never could you throw out a guy like that in a Battle Royal - when you're not even IN THE MATCH - and have it count legally.

 

Really, I could go over all the reasons why I disagree with this final result: Michaels making the final elimination makes absolutely no sense, Kane didn't actually earn the title shot since he didn't throw out the last guy, Kane shouldn't be getting a PPV Title shot in the first place considering he's in a feud with Matt Hardy......but it doesn't matter. Why?

 

Well remember WWE always changes the RR / Battle Royal rules. Remember, RR 92 when Savage eliminated himself, but Monsoon and Heenan covered up for it and Savage was allowed to continue in the RR until he was properly elimated by Sid.

 

I guess right now is if both feet touch the floor (doesn't matter how apparantly), you're eliminated.

[AnonymousBroccoli 0]

That was a fantastic Raw. I'm impressed that everyone involved has been able to turn Eugene from potentially the ultimate WrestleCrap into the ultimate sympathetic babyface.