Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted June 2, 2004 From those liars at cnn.com WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush is using Air Force One for re-election travel more heavily than any predecessor, wringing maximum political mileage from a perk of office paid for by taxpayers. While Democratic rival John Kerry digs into his campaign bank account to charter a plane to roam the country, Bush often travels at no cost to his campaign simply by declaring a trip "official" travel rather than "political." Even when the White House deems a trip as political, the cost to Bush's campaign is minimal. In such instances, the campaign must only pay the government the equivalent of a comparable first-class fare for each political traveler on each leg, Federal Election Commission guidelines say. Usually, that means paying a few hundred or a few thousand dollars for the president and a handful of aides. It's a minuscule sum, compared to the $56,800-per-hour the Air Force estimates it costs to run Air Force One. GOP criticized Clinton It is an advantage that Bush and other presidents before him have enjoyed. President Clinton frequently was criticized by Republicans for his record-setting use of Air Force One in the campaign season, and Bush is exceeding Clinton's pace. "It's really something that's abused," said Bill Allison, managing editor of the Center for Public Integrity, a nonprofit, government watchdog group. "On the one hand, the president can't fly coach," Allison said. "But on the other hand, taxpayers are in essence subsidizing campaign trips, something that goes against the grain of how the political system is supposed to operate." I suppose Bush is not content with being the first to have his approval rating match the time spent off on vacation.. "there you go again"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted June 2, 2004 More Liberal Media Bias that CAN'T POSSIBLY BE TRUE. Right? Right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2004 I just find it incredibly disappointing that, even after all of this recent criticism against Bush and the continuing evidence that he's unsuitable for a second term, John Kerry has been unable to get any additional public support in his bid for the Presidency. Anybody with at least a SHRED of charisma would be able to take advantage of the political gold that Kerry's being given. But obviously, Kerry has no idea what "charisma" even means. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2004 I just find it incredibly disappointing that, even after all of this recent criticism against Bush and the continuing evidence that he's unsuitable for a second term, John Kerry has been unable to get any additional public support in his bid for the Presidency. Anybody with at least a SHRED of charisma would be able to take advantage of the political gold that Kerry's being given. But obviously, Kerry has no idea what "charisma" even means. I think it is more of being a dumbass than charisma. I mean seriously, do you ever listen to the crap that guy spews. Bush Spews just as much but I mean seriously, if he cut down on the crap content, he could easily win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2004 In 2000, Bush was able to get by with unintelligent comments, rambling speeches, and a shady past. But he had this certain charisma that, at least, attracted many people to vote for him. Kerry has absolutely NO redeeming qualities when it comes to public image. While I do want Bush taken out of the White House, I'm having quite a bit of trouble realizing that my vote is going to be towards someone as stiff and unfriendly as Kerry has appeared to be. If Kerry had the type of charisma and overall friendliness towards people that Clinton had when he was running for the Presidency, the winner of the 2004 Presidential Race wouldn't even be an issue right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted June 2, 2004 You get a lot of points by being an idiot troll in your thread title. Moron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted June 2, 2004 You get a lot of points by being an idiot troll in your thread title. Moron. What? Sarcasm anyone? Cerebus, you just said one of the dumbest things I've ever heard on this board (not uttered by Mole). Just leave this thread now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted June 2, 2004 You get a lot of points by being an idiot troll in your thread title. Moron. What? Sarcasm anyone? Cerebus, you just said one of the dumbest things I've ever heard on this board (not uttered by Mole). Just leave this thread now. I understand it was sarcasm, sarcasm that's bait for Mike to insult you by finding a "clever" way to say "I AM ABOVE YOU!" It's still damn stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest INXS Report post Posted June 2, 2004 How is that lies? Can you prove different? And yeah, Kerry is proving to be a poor candidate thus far, perhaps he's waiting for Bush to implode... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted June 2, 2004 How is that lies? Can you prove different? And yeah, Kerry is proving to be a poor candidate thus far, perhaps he's waiting for Bush to implode... I hate you. I was being sarcastic with the title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krankor 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2004 perhaps he's waiting for Bush to implode... That would be nice. They are both idiots but I want Bush gone so I'll go with the new idiot on the block. I think Kerry could beat Bush in a spelling bee though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 2, 2004 You get a lot of points by being an idiot troll in your thread title. Moron. What? Sarcasm anyone? Cerebus, you just said one of the dumbest things I've ever heard on this board (not uttered by Mole). Just leave this thread now. I understand it was sarcasm, sarcasm that's bait for Mike to insult you by finding a "clever" way to say "I AM ABOVE YOU!" It's still damn stupid. Why would I waste my time insulting obvious trolling? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest INXS Report post Posted June 2, 2004 And you DONT troll Mike? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 2, 2004 And you DONT troll Mike? Nope. BTW, pot, kettle, black. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justsoyouknow 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 Projecting your issues upon others is not a sign of strength. Do you need a hug? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 Well I laughed at the thread's title. I guess I should mention that when the Anti-Christ was running for Senator of NY she had her travel expenses paid for because she was First Lady. Nah, I won't bother -- I hate the whole "Well the other side did it" tactic of posting... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 You get a lot of points by being an idiot troll in your thread title. Moron. He was being sarcastic about the fact that most people in this folder are conservative. I don't know if he was mocking Mike or not, but even if he was it's not like others act different. Stop being so uptight, and discuss the topic at hand. Ignoring however many posts before you to make a point about a thread title that wasn't there and bringing the thread offtopic IS trolling. So are all those Cheney = Haliburton conspiracy OMG2004~! jokes supposed to be taken seriously now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted June 3, 2004 And how is pointing out trolling, trolling itself? The topic that Zsasz brought up has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with "liberal propagnda" or anything like that. It has to do with the President using Air Force One for use in his campaign travel, please tell me what the title More Left Wing LIES has ANYTHING to do with that whatsoever. Mike was known for making topics like this, hence his "hilarious" change to making incredibly vague topic titles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 President Bush is using Air Force One for re-election travel more heavily than any predecessor Technically, any airplane the President is on-board is Air Force One. Big difference between saying he's taking Air Force One and taking advantage of the White House's travel options. According to FundRace, he's taken more flights on United alone than he has with the White House system, although when he goes that route he sure runs up a much larger bill than he does anywhere else. I believe Clinton still holds the record for campaigning on taxpayer gas than anybody else, although Bush is quickly reaching it. No wonder I can't stand either guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 3, 2004 And how is pointing out trolling, trolling itself? The topic that Zsasz brought up has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with "liberal propagnda" or anything like that. It has to do with the President using Air Force One for use in his campaign travel, please tell me what the title More Left Wing LIES has ANYTHING to do with that whatsoever. Mike was known for making topics like this, hence his "hilarious" change to making incredibly vague topic titles. Except my titles made sense with what was posted. And nice to see JSYK bringing the content. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justsoyouknow 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 Less is often more, Mike. You should consider that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 3, 2004 Less is often more, Mike. You should consider that. I fully agree. Well, for you, anyway... -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest INXS Report post Posted June 3, 2004 And you DONT troll Mike? Nope. BTW, pot, kettle, black. -=Mike Exactly Mike. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 3, 2004 Trolling Edited for truth. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 This entire thread is retarded, and deserves to die a quick, yet painful death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BX 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 I know a guy who has a lot of charisma, perhaps Kerry should choose him as his running mate... The mutha fucking Lawnmower Man! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 3, 2004 This entire thread is retarded, and deserves to die a quick, yet painful death. I second that. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted June 3, 2004 I know a guy who has a lot of charisma, perhaps Kerry should choose him as his running mate... The mutha fucking Lawnmower Man! I think BX brought the most to this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 In response to the Kerry=uncharismatic moron not taking advantage, etc... He's notoriously a great closer and he is currently spending very little money. On the contrary, Bush is spending metric assloads and gaining little or none in the polls. Don't discount him yet---at least until he starts burning money. You'd be shocked how much good GOTV does when you spend your millions on that instead of advertising and random pointless appearances months before the election. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crazy Dan Report post Posted June 3, 2004 And one positive about Kerry, he is also a strong debater, as I have heard. And so lets see what happens during the debates. I know because Al Gore was so bad at the debates, that despite Bush not being the best debater in the world, that this was one of the reasons that Bush won. If Kerry can out debate Bush, then it might bring some much needed votes his way. Man, this will be like 2000 in closeness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
