Kurt Angle Mark 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 By Dave Meltzer Raw drew a 3.2 rating on Monday night, the lowest mark so far this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted June 3, 2004 Well, considering they didn't hype anything, I'm not surprised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 It could also have to deal with it being Memorial Day and all...... Considering everything, 3.2 isn't too terrible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krankor 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 I thought it was an ok show. I guess it means Eugene shouldn't be in the main event against Kane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 Benoit should be in the main event every week no matter what. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 maybe it means that Kane experiment #46086 has failed, and/or no one cares about ANOTHER HBK/HHH match. Also, maybe that the Eugene character was overrated by WWE writers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted June 3, 2004 This is a combination of it being Memorial Day, the HHH/HBK overkill from last week, Kane not being a credible challenger and the lack of hype for anything this week. Why are they not hyping matches like they were a few weeks ago? That was having positive results it seems. Are they too lazy to book matches a week ahead of time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krankor 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 They're lazy and they probably have no idea in hell what they are going to do for the main event a week in advance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 By Dave Meltzer Raw drew a 3.2 rating on Monday night, the lowest mark so far this year. HHH: Did you see uh the ratings uh today vince? Vince: Yes Quite frankly im Quite Frankly Upset....Quite Frankly HHH: You know why that is uh don't you? Vince: No quite frankly I don't... HHH: Uh its because the People want to see ME the World champion for the rest of their lives, they wish for the day that the Title belt is once again Arc-welded back onto my body so no one else can possess it ever! Vince: Hmmmm Chris Benoit wanders by. Chris Benoit: Or maybe you big nose overrated freak its because the World champion has to get second billing because of some Ego driven Spotlight hog... and his nearly Has been overstayed his welcome little buddy in a cage after me. HHH: uhhhhhhh Benoit you just don't know about the business uhhhh you have no experience uhhhh you don't have what it uhhhhh takes..... Benoit: HHH.... HHH: Yes? Benoit: Go trip and tear a quad. Benoit walks away HHH fumes and SPITS water in all directions Vince: Quite frankly...that was cold. JR: I'll tell you why the ratings is down....... Vince: NO... JR: Its because of... HHH: NO! JR: The fact we don't got.. Vince & HHH: NO!!!!!!! JR: STONE COLD! STONE COLD! STONE COLD! STONE COLD! Vince and HHH double teams restrains JR stuffing BBQ into his mouth Vince: If it will make you feel any better JR, Quite Frankly I will give A-Train a title shot against Benoit... JR can't speak but his eyes GLEAM with appreciation HHH just UHHHHS and Spits more water. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 Maybe if they put a match that is main event material as the final match instead of a comedy match that should main event WWF Challenge or Superstars then and maybe only then it would get a decent rating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geniusMoment 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 This will be an unpopular comment, but I will say it anyway. I actually think the loss of the WWF/E "attitude" is killing the product in the 13-34 demo. I just know all of my friends in college who have grown up with me have noticed how little attitude WWE has anymore. The language, the girls, and the storylines have gone back to a more conservative style. Not all the way back to 95 in terms of cartoony, more like 96 where Austin would sometimes say ass and Sunny was used for eye candy, but in a more conservative way. People I know just do not want to see a product with no attitude and long 20 minute new WWE style matches. There is a reason the NWA in 89 couldn't draw what the WWF drew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 Quite frankly, that was rather funny. Quite frankly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted June 3, 2004 maybe it means that Kane experiment #46086 has failed, and/or no one cares about ANOTHER HBK/HHH match. Also, maybe that the Eugene character was overrated by WWE writers. There was very little HBK/HHH, considering HBK wasn't there. Besides, I doubt that match is really a factor in the ratings right now since the segments that hype it are only like 30 seconds and spread between the show. Nobody changes because of those; they're to short to be real impacts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 However, it _does_ indicate (rather than "mean") that not a lot of people are really impressed or interested in the HITC match; given that the majority of last weeks show was built around it. They didn't "tune in next week" to see what the reaction is. However, with that said, it would be nice to see some previous Memorial day ratings and how they were related to (1)the previous weeks show and (2)the average rating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted June 3, 2004 However, it _does_ indicate (rather than "mean") that not a lot of people are really impressed or interested in the HITC match; given that the majority of last weeks show was built around it. They didn't "tune in next week" to see what the reaction is. However, with that said, it would be nice to see some previous Memorial day ratings and how they were related to (1)the previous weeks show and (2)the average rating. Also keep in mind... the WWE is really mishandling the Kane/Benoit feud. The only feud I'd say is booked well enough to be a draw is Orton/Benjamin, but neither man is high enough on the card for it to be an ratings impact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 An informal study shows that Memorial Day does not negatively effect ratings. In some instances, the rating either went up from the previous week or was higher than the average. Again, this is an informal study. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt Angle Mark 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 An informal study shows that Memorial Day does not negatively effect ratings. In some instances, the rating either went up from the previous week or was higher than the average. Again, this is an informal study. That appears to be the case. Here are the numbers for 2002 and 2003 2002: 05/20 3.7 05/27 3.7 2003: 05/19 3.6 05/26 3.7 If any outside event affected the ratings it was the Lakers/Wolves game 6 since the series has been setting records for basketball games on cable with each passing game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karc 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 Yeah, that's pretty much what I said on Monday. Elimination game in the Western Conference Finals involving the Lakers. It was a no-brainer. Plus, some people actually were watching the Stanley Cup Finals in America. That, and not a good build to Raw, I expected the rating to be lower than usual. WWE actually shouldn't be too worried about this. They should sell the hell out of next week's show, though, considering it is a PPV and all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 Also keep in mind... the WWE is really mishandling the Kane/Benoit feud. The only feud I'd say is booked well enough to be a draw is Orton/Benjamin, but neither man is high enough on the card for it to be an ratings impact. The Kane & Lita love angle gets more time then the build up for the title match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 I don't really see the connection between Basketball and Wrestling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 Quite often, fans of one are fans of the other. There's your connection. If nary a single wrestling fan cared about sports, you bet your ass JR would never make a sports-related comment. However, wrestling fans are mostly sports fans also. The Minnesota/Los Angeles game also had a pair of fairly large markets (one being the #2 market in the nation) watching it. Also, it was on cable as well, and I like to think of other cable shows affecting Raw more than network programs, since one who already watches cable is more wont to watch other cable channels. I personally think the suck of Smackdown is dragging Raw down without even being on the same show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 I can see that with Football because Football = Violence, therefore there is a common ground for fan interest, which is why numbers go down in fall. But this is basketball - which is like, the opposite of that - and historically, numbers haven't really gone down during playoff season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 I wouldn't put much into the basketball theory if they weren't bringing in record cable numbers. Shit, even Shaq does the Booker T "hand stare" after blocking shots. There are loads of wrestling marks who are basketball fans also. EDIT: I'd like to know how the Calgary/Tampa Bay game affected the Raw ratings in Canada. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 I'm pretty sure the playoffs were going on when RAW hit 4.0, so why wasn't it hurt then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 The problem with Raw last week (ratings-wise), wasn't that the HHH/HBK feud was being pushed over the Benoit/Kane feud; it was that neither one was being pushed. The show was centered around nothing. When your ratings drawing feuds are relegated to a 30 second promo leading into a 30 second video package, and a surprise run-in at the end of the show, it's only natural for ratings to drop. You know, back when Raw used to do really good ratings, the show would almost always lead off with a promo that gave an inclination of what the main event match/angle would be so that people would stick around and watch it. When the only thing the show hypes is a non-title match between Randy Orton and the gimmickless babyface main eventer of the month, and a comedy match, they'll either tune out right away, or stick around to watch the boring Orton match, decide that they'd rather watch something else and tune out then. Oh, and Game 6 of the Western conference Finals is a huge draw with the younger male crowd that comprises most of the WWE audience. I'm sure it wasn't the whole cause of the rating, but it probably brought it down 0.2 or so. I know I was flipping back and forth to it (along with the hockey game), most of the night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chazz 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 This will be an unpopular comment, but I will say it anyway. I actually think the loss of the WWF/E "attitude" is killing the product in the 13-34 demo. I just know all of my friends in college who have grown up with me have noticed how little attitude WWE has anymore. The language, the girls, and the storylines have gone back to a more conservative style. Not all the way back to 95 in terms of cartoony, more like 96 where Austin would sometimes say ass and Sunny was used for eye candy, but in a more conservative way. People I know just do not want to see a product with no attitude and long 20 minute new WWE style matches. There is a reason the NWA in 89 couldn't draw what the WWF drew. I agree. And all these 20 minute "New WWE Style" Match-Ups wouldn't be so bad except It seems like everyone Is wrestling the exact same match. Too Conservative Indeed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 I agree. And all these 20 minute "New WWE Style" Match-Ups wouldn't be so bad except It seems like everyone Is wrestling the exact same match. Too Conservative Indeed. Yeah. I still like Benoit, but I'm sick of seeing him limited to just punches, chops, snap suplex, rolling germans, diving headbutt, the Sharpshooter, and the Crossface when he could be doing so much more as one of the best technical wrestlers in WWE. Although didn't the same thing happen to Bret Hart in the mid-90's when he was a face? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest I Got Banned for Sucking Report post Posted June 3, 2004 It's pretty ironic that the ratings have been decent, if not exactly great lately, but when Raw happens to come to Montreal, with Chris Benoit and Shawn Michaels both heavily-hyped right now and a good show expected by most, the ratings drop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 As much as I kind of enjoy the Eugene character, the guy/character is not meant to be in a main event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigSwigg 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2004 As much as I kind of enjoy the Eugene character, the guy/character is not meant to be in a main event. I agree. He's a short term character who's being used like a long term draw. Just because the people like him doesn't mean he should be in the ME. I'd have him in the match at the end of the first hour, but not the end of the show. Also, having Benoit save him in the tag match last week was good, but he should have come out and saved him long before Kane started to squash Eugene. As for the ratings, I do agree that the lack of focus seemed to play a large part. Also, drawing the feuds out and leaving people hanging is important as well. Last week they really didn't give us much reason to tune in to the next show. HHH/HBK will fight in a hell in a cell and Benoit helped Eugene. What makes me want to watch again? I didn't feel like I would miss much. They need to work on this or they will lower themselves to WCW/TNA's level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
