Official Spiderman 2 Thread

[Damaramu 0]

Are you saying I'm blind b/c I don't see a problem with the costume?

No, you tool, you're blind because you're sticking your fingers in your ears at everybody's rational arguments and shouting, "OMG NOTHING CAN EVER BE CHANGED FROM A COMIC BOOK~!" Times change, people change, societies change, and only a fool would think things don't need to be updated with time. Spider-Man's origin story was changed in the first movie: the radioactive spider written in a time when we were in fear of nuclear winter was replaced by the genetically-engineered spider, made for a time when cloning and stem-cell research are hot-button issues. The random burglary of the Parkers' house was updated to Uncle Ben getting carjacked. And you know what? It worked perfectly well, and IMO, MUCH better than blind fealty to the source material would have worked.

 

Until you accept a few things that people have been telling you all fucking day, then yes, you're going to be blind. But like I said, none are more blind than those who refuse to see.

 

And IMO it's not fucking goofy.

Wolverine's supposed to be a badass. So tell me this: would YOU be scared of some guy in bright yellow and blue spandex? Movies are a much different medium from comic books: the visuals are more immediate and more impactful, and thus have to be more carefully considered.

 

I'm going to say it now: Superman's costume is a product of a bygone era, isn't intimidating at all, and should be updated whenever WB pulls their heads out of their asses and makes the movie.

Oh I see. Just because you guys don't think it's goofy you're supposedly right. I still don't think it's goofy and I still don't have a problem with it. You guys can tell me "Well it is!" all day but that's just your opinion. And it's one that I don't happen to share. Yes things need to be updated with time but the costumes are one thing that I don't think need to be updated with time. It's a comic book. It's supposed to be colorful. These comic books would be damn boring if everyone was running around black leather outfits. And when it gets translated to film, well it's still coming from a comic book and people need to realize that. I thought the X-Men's costumes in the movie were BORING. They all looked the same and they were all black. That wasn't fun. It was boring. That's my opinion. If you don't share it then that's fine. But I'm not wrong for having that opinion.

 

And would I be scared of a guy coming at me in yellow and blue spandex? If he's Wolverine then you're damn right I'd be scared of him.

 

And as for insulting me and telling me that I'm not listening. Well the same can be said for you guys. I'm presenting my opinion and you're going "LALA! I DON'T HERE YOU! YOU'RE WRONG YOU TOOL! IT'S GOOFY AND YOU'RE WRONG FOR NOT THINKING IT IS! LALA!"

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Nobody cares if you do or don't buy it. You just are ignoring that others will not accept it. If you can't see that, yes, then you are a tool.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Wolverine's supposed to be a badass. So tell me this: would YOU be scared of some guy in bright yellow and blue spandex?

If he busted out six inch metal claws from his hands HELL YES I WOULD BE.

 

Besides, black and tan works so much better than the "gimp from Pulp Fiction" look he has going on now.

[Guest JMA]

The whole "updating of super-hero costumes" is a tricky subject. I think some costumes (such as Superman, Spider-Man, Batman, ect) are timeless and should be kept. On the other hand, I had no problem at all with the X-Men just wearing black leather. I guess when it comes down to it some things can be changed and work, and some can't.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

The whole "updating of super-hero costumes" is a tricky subject. I think some costumes (such as Superman, Spider-Man, Batman, ect) are timeless and should be kept. On the other hand, I had no problem at all with the X-Men just wearing black leather. I guess when it comes down to it some things can be changed and work, and some can't.

How is the updating of Batman's from blue-grey-yellow to black on black any different from what they did to the X-Men?

[Guest JMA]

The whole "updating of super-hero costumes" is a tricky subject. I think some costumes (such as Superman, Spider-Man, Batman, ect) are timeless and should be kept. On the other hand, I had no problem at all with the X-Men just wearing black leather. I guess when it comes down to it some things can be changed and work, and some can't.

How is the updating of Batman's from blue-grey-yellow to black on black any different from what they did to the X-Men?

Well, first off, the X-Men don't really need standard super-hero costumes. Their characters work fine with just uniforms.

 

As for Batman, are you speaking of the costume update from the Burton movies or Batman Begins?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

The whole "updating of super-hero costumes" is a tricky subject. I think some costumes (such as Superman, Spider-Man, Batman, ect) are timeless and should be kept. On the other hand, I had no problem at all with the X-Men just wearing black leather. I guess when it comes down to it some things can be changed and work, and some can't.

How is the updating of Batman's from blue-grey-yellow to black on black any different from what they did to the X-Men?

Well, first off, the X-Men don't really need standard super-hero costumes. Their characters work fine with just uniforms.

 

As for Batman, are you speaking of the costume update from the Burton movies or Batman Begins?

Either way, it's still a radical shift from the Batman of the comics.

[Guest JMA]

Either way, it's still a radical shift from the Batman of the comics.

I'd agree with you there. Personally, I've always liked the Year One design best. But from what I've seen of the Batman Begins version (and the pictures are blurry) it looks fine. I just hope the suit is easy for Bale to move around in.

[Scroby 0]

I think some little custome changes are fine. The X-men movie customes aren't really a big deal honestly. We all know who they are so it doesn't really make a differance. I didn't like how the batman suits became part of someone's skin as the Batman's movie's progressed through, that sorta worried me a bit. I mean I don't really see a need for the bat suits to be skin tight and have nipples.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

We are right. Your argument is that nobody will have a problem with blue and yellow spandex in the film. We do have a problem with it, therefore invalidating your argument. Whether you care or not is immaterial to the fact that the viewing public would not take these characters seriously. And if you think Logan is bad, just imagine if Jean Grey was wearing that thing from the 90s series. *shudders*

[Dr. Tom 0]

As far as Superman goes... really they only need to darken the colors I think.

I concur. Bright blue, red, and yellow isn't really needed, and it looks pretty silly by today's standards. A darker blue with maroon would be OK. A radical reinvention of the costume is probably too much for most people to handle.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

The problem with Superman is that the character doesn't adapt well to the modern day in general, certainly not in the way that Spider-Man does. They would be better off setting it in the 30s and doing a homage of the Golden Age, similar to what Raiders of the Lost Ark did for the old serials. In that case the original costume makes perfect sense.

[Dr. Tom 0]

It's a comic book. It's supposed to be colorful.

One of the things I and others have been saying is that comic books and movies are two very different mediums. What works in a comic book will not always work in a movie. Movie audiences are much larger, more diverse, and largely ignorant of the source material. Keep this in mind: we live in a post-Matrix world. Movie audiences don't want goody-goody heroes who wear bright costumes. Heroes wear black, wear trench coats, wear sunglasses. They swear too much, narrow their eyes and scowl a lot, and kill people. They know they're right, they don't care about the legality of being right, and they bed the pretty girls. In movies, the line between a hero and an anti-hero has been blurred, in more areas than just the costume. In past eras, dressing the hero in white and the villain in black was the standard. Audiences have evolved; we can handle subtexts and shades of grey in our characters now, and those characters without them seem flat by comparison.

 

Get with the times, man.

 

I thought the X-Men's costumes in the movie were BORING. They all looked the same and they were all black. That wasn't fun.

The costumes aren't supposed to be the source of entertainment (well, unless they would've dressed Storm and Jean in bikinis the entire time...). The characters and the adventure story are supposed to be entertaining and fun. None of the X-Men have iconic uniforms or costumes, and changing them for the movie was no big deal.

 

And would I be scared of a guy coming at me in yellow and blue spandex? If he's Wolverine then you're damn right I'd be scared of him.

Good job not answering the question. I didn't ask you if you'd be scared of bloody Wolverine. If a guy (let's say he looks like Hugh Jackman) comes up to you wearing bright yellow and blue spandex and a silly mask and says, "Bub, it's ass-whooping time," are you going to be scared? Before you mention claws, keep in mind that Wolverine wouldn't need them to beat up on you or me. So, would you be scared of someone in that situation?

 

And as for insulting me and telling me that I'm not listening.

You're not. You apparently think comic books are holy, and damn those impudent heathens like Bryan Singer and Sam Raimi for changing one thing in their holy scriptures. I've been saying that what works in comics works in comics, but you need to recognize that movie audiences are made up of more than fanboys: they're made up of teens and adults from this ADD generation who are looking to be entertained, and don't have voluminous knowledge about the source material. And if you give them a supposed badass in a gay pride costume, they're going to fucking laugh it out of the theater.

[Dr. Tom 0]

The problem with Superman is that the character doesn't adapt well to the modern day in general, certainly not in the way that Spider-Man does.

True. But it's hard to change him without betraying the character and selling out to the more cynical, jaded audiences of today. Superman's "the big blue boy scout," and his moral code is straight out of the 40s and 50s, but that's a part of him that can't really be taken away. If Superman went on a killing spree against the criminal underworld of Metropolis, the movie would suck. Considering that pretty much everyone knows who Superman is and what he stands for, you have to leave the core of the character intact.

[Black Lushus 0]

my take on it is simple: if you want exactly what the comic book has, go read the fucking comic book...why would you want to watch the EXACT same thing when you can simply pick up a 20 page book and read it?

[the max 0]

I was a mark for the X-Men cartoon in the 1990's, was a huge Wolverine fan, read some of the comics, etc., but to have the spandex come to the film would be out and out ridiculous to the point that I wouldn't be able to take it seriously.

[Damaramu 0]

Well fine. If the rest of America is that immature then so be it. I'm not. Fine if they have to change it to appeal to the lowest common denominator then so be it.....I don't have to like it.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Either way, it's still a radical shift from the Batman of the comics.

I'd agree with you there. Personally, I've always liked the Year One design best. But from what I've seen of the Batman Begins version (and the pictures are blurry) it looks fine. I just hope the suit is easy for Bale to move around in.

 

It's all about the blue and grey, man.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

The problem with Superman is that the character doesn't adapt well to the modern day in general, 

People were saying that in the seventies and it weasn't true then, either.

[the max 0]

Well fine. If the rest of America is that immature then so be it. I'm not. Fine if they have to change it to appeal to the lowest common denominator then so be it.....I don't have to like it.

Yeah, everyone ELSE is immature...

[Damaramu 0]

Well fine. If the rest of America is that immature then so be it. I'm not. Fine if they have to change it to appeal to the lowest common denominator then so be it.....I don't have to like it.

Yeah, everyone ELSE is immature...

Hey if they're going to sit in the theater and go "Huhu.....he's wearing yellow and blue spandex! He's gay! Huhuhuhu!"

"Hehehehe......Homo!"

 

then yes that's pretty immature.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Well fine. If the rest of America is that immature then so be it. I'm not. Fine if they have to change it to appeal to the lowest common denominator then so be it.....I don't have to like it.

Yeah, everyone ELSE is immature...

Hey if they're going to sit in the theater and go "Huhu.....he's wearing yellow and blue spandex! He's gay! Huhuhuhu!"

"Hehehehe......Homo!"

 

then yes that's pretty immature.

You're acting like a total tool here, D. Just no-selling arguments you don't like and getting all defensive when anyone suggest you might be wrong.

 

The yellow and blue would look kind of silly on screen. And it wouldn't be our faults iff they went that route and people laughed at it.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

The problem with Superman is that the character doesn't adapt well to the modern day in general, 

People were saying that in the seventies and it weasn't true then, either.

And what I said was true then too. Superman is not a relatable character in the way that Spider-Man or the X-Men are, and his stories are not representative of real life in the that those are supposed to be, or at least the film versions. Superman is larger than life, good and evil in clear colours, that sort of thing. It would be a mistake to try and modernize him. Richard Donner knew that.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Hey if they're going to sit in the theater and go "Huhu.....he's wearing yellow and blue spandex! He's gay! Huhuhuhu!"

"Hehehehe......Homo!"

 

then yes that's pretty immature.

 

You may have a point there, but it still doesn't change the fact that it is true. Put them in costumes and we don't even get X2 after the first film is laughed off the screen like Catwoman.

[Damaramu 0]

I'm agreeing with you that people will shit all over the costumes saying the same.

But what I'm saying is that they would be acting incredibley immature and I don't like the costumes being changed.

Yeah the rest of America can like it but I don't have to and I don't. And I won't ever.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

The problem with Superman is that the character doesn't adapt well to the modern day in general, 

People were saying that in the seventies and it weasn't true then, either.

And what I said was true then too. Superman is not a relatable character in the way that Spider-Man or the X-Men are, and his stories are not representative of real life in the that those are supposed to be, or at least the film versions. Superman is larger than life, good and evil in clear colours, that sort of thing. It would be a mistake to try and modernize him. Richard Donner knew that.

I apologize in advance for any spelling mistakes or such.

 

No, you're very, very, wrong.

 

SUPERMAN exists now. Now, more than ever.

 

He's what ever father wishes for his son.

 

He's what every mother wishes her daughter would marry.

 

SUPERMAN is quite frankly, US- you, me, everyone. He's what we could be, not if we were stronger or faster, or could melt things with our eyes... but if we were selfless, and just, and brave. He's what we wish we could be in those moments before we fall asleep when we dream about what we could of been, or for those of us with children, he's what we want to see our children grow into.

 

SUPERMAN goes out everyday, to a job he tolerates, because he likes some of the people there. He's a reporter, doing important work (or at least we'd... I mean HE'D like to think so), but in the blink of an eye he'd drop everything to save a stranger's life. Are we capable of that kind of overriding goodness? Perhaps. No one really knows. If you were late to work, and saw a homeless man coughing up blood on a sidewalk... would you help him? We'd like to think so.

 

And it isn't just THAT side of Superman that anyone can admire. It's the LEADER in him. The strong decisive person that we all wish we could be. Not only decisive, but totally unwilling to compromise his morality. He will not bend or buckle to the pressures of an entire universe. Man of Steel, indeed. We've heard stories of men who've gone to their deaths rather than partake in what they knew was wrong and we'd thump our chest and say how brave they were. THAT'S SUPERMAN.

 

When you sacrifice your time to help another... YOU'RE Superman.

 

When you refuse to give into to what is wrong... YOU'RE SUPERMAN.

 

Superman cannot be bought off, he cannot be ignored, or scared off. Do you see how we need to relate to soemthing like that? Do you see how an example like that is the basis for *ALL* hero fiction? We relate to Superman, not because we CAN DO... but because WANT TO, we're THIS CLOSE but we can't quite make it.

 

And then, when all hope is lost... there's Superman. Telling you, that... yes you CAN DO. It just takes a little more practice.

 

The X-Men? The angsty teen crap they degenerated into was never a fly on the ass of Superman.

 

Superman worked in the 40's.

 

Superman worked in the 70's.

 

Superman worked in the 90's.

 

Superman WORKS TODAY.

 

Long live the king.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Oh and when Donner brought Superman into the Cynical 70's, it was perfect. It can only be better now.

[AndrewTS 0]

I think some little custome changes are fine. The X-men movie customes aren't really a big deal honestly. We all know who they are so it doesn't really make a differance. I didn't like how the batman suits became part of someone's skin as the Batman's movie's progressed through, that sorta worried me a bit. I mean I don't really see a need for the bat suits to be skin tight and have nipples.

"The only way they could make it any gayer is if they had zippers on the ass!"

 

I generally agree the more ironic costumes shouldn't be changed or should have minimal changes...but I thought the X costumes were quite practical changes. Spidey's costume is basically the same and I'm glad it stayed the same. Batman's costumes looked good in the first two movies and I don't think it would look quite right if he'd ended up in grey spandex looking like a more fit Adam West.

 

The only time I've been really upset about a costume change would probably be the laughable Hallecat costume in Catwoman (In Name Only).

 

However, even in the comics Supes has gone through costume changes, like Superman Blue (when became an energy being and needed that containment suit)

and his post-resurrection black.

 

Supes doesn't really need to worry about camouflage, his basic costume works, but if it was changed slightly I don't think I'd mind as long as it wasn't a change for the worse. The basic look should remain, though.

 

I guess my response would be "it depends."

[Guest SP-1]

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with the Alex Ross version of the costume from KINGDOM COME.

 

The biggest change is the "S" shield, which was more streamlined and had a black background with a red overlay there. I think Ross might have used a slightly darker shade of blue but I don't know if that was intentional or not.

 

I would change the boots on a modern Supes costume. The red cowboy-ish boots wouldn't work. But give him something thicker, something leather, maybe with some straps on the side or something. I could see emblazing a streamlined "S" on the belt buckle as well, and I wouldn't mind losing the red underoos. But otherse, that man needs blue and red, and he needs that cape.

 

But that's just my opinion.

[AndrewTS 0]

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with the Alex Ross version of the costume from KINGDOM COME.

 

The biggest change is the "S" shield, which was more streamlined and had a black background with a red overlay there. I think Ross might have used a slightly darker shade of blue but I don't know if that was intentional or not.

The logo change sounds like the Max Fleischer cartoon version, actually.

 

I think only one logo is necessary. K.I.S.S. (no offense ). Going way out of the way to complicate an outfit usually doesn't turn out well.

 

Darker blue sounds good, though.