Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Its not being hypocrtical at all. It would be if they were on STRIKE, but since they can't play in the NHL, the Euro leagues are the next place. You are looking at this in way to broad of a focus and the little things make that not make sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Your missing teh princaple, dude. They are fighting for every players job. That's such a naive viewpoint that it's laughable. They couldn't give two shits about the Pierre Dagenaises and Brian Pothiers of the world, so long as the Joe Sakics and Jaromir Jagrs can continue to make $7 million-plus. If they were really interested in their entire membership, then the wouldn't be holding out for something that's not coming, and letting their lesser-paid members sit and rot. As for the European league fiasco, the NHL players are stealing jobs from players who really need them. Period. A hundred grand is a pittance to those guys, but it feeds the families of the guys who've gotten kicked out. It stinks, and those players should be ashamed of themselves, because you know they'd be screaming bloody murder if the league brought in replacement players -- which is the exact same thing. Stop posting. Thanks. Perfect. 20% or less of those players are North American. So how do u know those 80% Euro are not going back to their country for good? Then is it ok? Of course. Don't give me this Bullshit about taking money from their familys. No one complians when Euro's come here and take jobs from American players in the NHL. If they were good enough to play in the nHL, they would. They can't, so they can be replaced if someone better arrives. The NHL is where the best of the best come to compete. If the best players are coming over from Europe, they will play in NA to compete with the best from the world. Bullshit? It's reality. How would you like it if you bust your ass to make a name for yourself in the Czech league, getting scouted for the next year, only to be forced to sit out because of big names like Jagr, Bondra, Satan etc...would not accept a pay cut. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mister foozel 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 jagr is WAY overpaid for what he can do in the NHL now what am i sayin, all those fuckers are over paid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted November 4, 2004 AGIAN, they are lockout. If they could play, they would. Its like they are being Fired for now, with a likely chance of being hired later. And most of the NHL Players in Europe are not Multi Millionares. Some are, but they are the minority. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mikey2Dope Report post Posted November 4, 2004 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=103566 Damn. Nashville Predators center Sergei Zholtok died at age 31 today due to an apparent heart attack. R.I.P. Sergei. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted November 4, 2004 And most of the NHL Players in Europe are not Multi Millionares. Some are, but they are the minority. Sorry, but I have a hard time shedding too many tears for any of the players ... even the ones earning the league minimum are making like $185k. That's far from chump change, and is more than what 95% of the public earns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2004 http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=103693 Zholtok apparently died of heart failure. http://tsn.ca/news_story.asp?ID=103694 Chico apologized for calling Bettman a "madman" who has "no rhyme or reason" for what he's doing. Pussy. http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=103717 The Hart trophy winner has signed with Lausanne of the Swiss League. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted November 6, 2004 And most of the NHL Players in Europe are not Multi Millionares. Some are, but they are the minority. Sorry, but I have a hard time shedding too many tears for any of the players ... even the ones earning the league minimum are making like $185k. That's far from chump change, and is more than what 95% of the public earns. I wasnt trying to envoke symapthy. But the players in Europe are well off as well. So its rich athelets takling jobs from rich atheletes. No sympothy for any of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2004 http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=103837 Razor signs with Djurgarden in Sweden. *prays he doesn't get hurt* *prays again* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 I wasnt trying to envoke symapthy. But the players in Europe are well off as well. So its rich athelets takling jobs from rich atheletes. No sympothy for any of them. More horseshit. European players make about 5-8% what NHL players do, on average. Average players make a bit more than what I make ($70K/yr), which isn't a heck of a lot for someone who's on the road all the time putting his body on the line. Certainly not enough to make someone rich. Do you even think about these statements before you make them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 I honestly don't remember any other strike workers taking a strike but working elsewhere in the meantime for less pay. Is it only the NHL that does this? This makes absolutely no sense to me that all these players are going to the other leagues. If it was just the lower tier guys, then yeah, I can understand. But it's nearly all over the place, which just makes me go, wtf. Honestly, I'm beginning to sour on the players severely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=103954 ZURICH - Dany Heatley was seriously injured midway through a game between Heatley's SC Bern and Geneva-Servette in the Swiss league on Saturday night. Heatley was struck in the eye by a shot from teammate Daniel Briere and was immediately sent to the hospital in Bern where he was diagnosed with severe swelling and inner bleeding. According to reports, Heatley could not see out of the injured eye when he was admitted to hospital. Doctors drained the eye to relieve the blood pressure. On Sunday morning, there was no confirmation whether the accident had damaged any sight nerves. Swiss newspaper Tages-Anzeiger wrote that Heatley, in a worst case scenario, could lose sight in the injured eye, but that was not confirmed by any other media nor by hospital sources. According to the official website of SC Bern, Heatley also suffered a fractured orbital-bone below the eye, an injury which requires surgery as soon as the situation is stabilized. Heatley will stay in hospital for at least one week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 Did they ever do anything to him because of the Dan Snyder incident? I thought the state would file charges against him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted November 7, 2004 I wasnt trying to envoke symapthy. But the players in Europe are well off as well. So its rich athelets takling jobs from rich atheletes. No sympothy for any of them. More horseshit. European players make about 5-8% what NHL players do, on average. Average players make a bit more than what I make ($70K/yr), which isn't a heck of a lot for someone who's on the road all the time putting his body on the line. Certainly not enough to make someone rich. Do you even think about these statements before you make them? 70 Grand a year to play hockey is still fine off. And its not like their out of a job forever, its just till the lockout is over. PLUS, if they were any good, they would be stealin jobs from lesser players in other leagues. The best players play, its the way the athletics work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 I think the State dropped its case because the family would not do anything about it. And this is now getting stupid. How many players are getting hurt across the sea? I mean, you get no coverage or shit if you get hurt over there while the league is on strike. ... *shakes head* anata no baka. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 ... *shakes head* anata no baka. I think you speak for millions of NHL fans when you say whatever the fuck you just said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2004 (edited) ... *shakes head* anata no baka. I think you speak for millions of NHL fans when you say whatever the fuck you just said. Japanese to English trasnlation anata translates to you. no is usually used as a possive terminology, meaning am/are. baka means idiot. Hence I said: "You are idiots." (refering to the NHL and NHLPA) Edited November 7, 2004 by Lightning Flik Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted November 8, 2004 70 Grand a year to play hockey is still fine off. And its not like their out of a job forever, its just till the lockout is over. PLUS, if they were any good, they would be stealin jobs from lesser players in other leagues. The best players play, its the way the athletics work. EVEN MORE horseshit. The players who are getting bumped are having their development messed around with. Without the experience they would have gained by playing at a higher level this year, their careers could very well be permamently off-track. Future NHLers are being deprived of prime playing time at a time when they really need it. Not to mention the guys who are now out of hockey and may be forced to retire. Plus, you said it was rich guys knocking off rich guys, not rich guys knocking off kinds-sorta-borderline-well-off guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted November 10, 2004 That retire thing is bullshit, because foreigners and rookies force players to retire in the NHL all the time. Its the nature of the business. I get that you need players to develop, but the bottom line is if ANY of these players who are getting bumped were in thr postition the NHL guys are in, thry would do it becuase that the life of Athletics. Its not moral, but it how the business works. Case in point. Corey Hirsch was winning like a little bitch last week. He said that he is pissed because big league guys who are rich are taking jobs. But when did he speak up? When he got bumped by the not-so-rich Martin Gerber in the Check league. What did Hirch do this week, he bumped someone to play in the German league. Now THATS a fukin hypocryte. Not Lockout Players going to Europe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 All I know is that I'll be watching Carolina Hurricanes vs. Montreal Canadiens from '02 in what I've heard was a very good game. Anyone else watching their team's "classic" games? Since I get Fox Sports South, I get both Carolina Hurricanes and Nashville Predators. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 FSN: Florida is currently airing the 2003 All-Star Game. Pre-everything Heatley rules. He's got two goals right now, they're almost at the end of the first. They've been digging deep into the archives. They had a playoff game from 1996 a few weeks ago. Decent. Nothing great, I'd kill for some classic Bruins games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 Wow, that game last night was great. Even though I knew the ending of the game I still found myself asking "How are they going to pull this off?" when they entered the third period down 0-3. Great play from Jose Theodore, but the Carolina Hurricanes were just ON in that third period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 Decent. Nothing great, I'd kill for some classic Bruins games. I got lucky, Max ... when I moved, I found a whole stack of videotapes that I'd pretty much forgotten about, and included in that stack were a bunch of old B's games. Nothing too special (at least not that I've watched so far) but seemingly just random games from the previous 2 or 3 seasons. I haven't watched too many, because I really don't know how long this lockout is going to last and I want to have 'fresh' games for as long as possible. But between these random games, the previous Olympics, and the recent World Cup games, I have a pretty good collection of hockey to watch. And in regards to what NESN is showing, so far I've seen the Dennis Leary/Firefighters game like 4 times but not a single B's game. Thank Jebus for college hockey, the Hockey East has been going off so far this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 If NESN was smart, they'd get rid of that stupid fisherman and air a classic Bruins game every sunday or something. Some late-80's B's Cup games, a few "we don't know why we're airing this, but LOOK AT ALL OF THESE NAME PLAYERS!!" games with Bourque, Sweeney, Neely, and Oates shown at random intervals. They just choose not to, I guess. At least FSN is making an effort with Denis "Another Round" Potvin hosting Classic Panthers and talking about the game and how it relates to something that happened in his career. Kind of enjoyable, until you realize that the Panthers suck. The game last night was awesome though, I had forgotten just how good the 2003 All-Star game was. I have a few games on tape as well, mostly from the World Cup that I'll be digging into likely within the next few days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 Case in point. Corey Hirsch was winning like a little bitch last week. He said that he is pissed because big league guys who are rich are taking jobs. But when did he speak up? When he got bumped by the not-so-rich Martin Gerber in the Check league. What did Hirch do this week, he bumped someone to play in the German league. Now THATS a fukin hypocryte. Not Lockout Players going to Europe. Maybe it's hypocritical, but it's kind of a domino effect, don't you think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 If NESN was smart, they'd get rid of that stupid fisherman and air a classic Bruins game every sunday or something. Some late-80's B's Cup games, a few "we don't know why we're airing this, but LOOK AT ALL OF THESE NAME PLAYERS!!" games with Bourque, Sweeney, Neely, and Oates shown at random intervals. Looking at the NESN page, it looks like they played a 'classic' B's game on the 4th, and will be doing so again on the 24th. There's also a ton of 'NESN Retro' items on the calendar, but my guess is that those will be all Red Sox because of the WS win and all. So, for the month of November we're most likely going to get TWO B's games. Nice job, NESN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2004 TSN has shown some great games lately. 1975 Montreal Canadiens vs USSR (best hockey game ever) 1989 Game 6 Stanley Cup Finals, Calgary Flames vs Montreal Canadiens (Lanny gets his ring/only team to hoist the cup in Montreal other than Montreal) 1993 Game 7 Clarence Conference Final between LA Kings and Toronto Maple Leafs (Greztky banks off of Elloit to seal the deal for their first Stanley Cup Apperance) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Olympic Slam Report post Posted November 12, 2004 We're on week two of the "Classic Sharks" games on FSN: Bay Area. Let's just say the lineup for what you would call "classic" is a little thin. But at leasts its something and the DVD style commentary by the announcers has been hilarious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Well it's not as if the San Jose Sharks are a classic organization steeped in historical moments and legendary games. What was their pinnacle, upsetting the Maple Leafs in 94? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Probably not, since that didn't happen. They beat the Wings in '94 and Flames in '95. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
