Guest Repo Man Reborn Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 After watching Mordecai lose to Rey Mysterio last night, my logical thinking is that at some point next week, Mordecai must anihilate Rey to get back to some the heat he lost by losing. When a hoss faces a small guy, you have a limited amount of options: 1) The hoss can destroy him 2) The little guy wins and proves the hoss to be big and stupid 3) A DQ happens and then what was the point of the match anyway? Mordecai looks weak now and if he is unable to beat Rey Mysterio, how could he ever beat the Undertaker or Eddie Guerrero? HOSSES AND CRUSIERS YA GOTTA KEEP'EM SEPERATED.
Aero Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 Exactly. Sometime soon, Mordecai's going to have to destroy Rey. Maybe he'll destroy Rey and Eddie will take offense as his friend and they can feud. At least Mordecai's not like Bill DeMott when he debuted on Smackdown, destroying every known cruiserweight on the show, just to be ANGRY and INTENSE.
Guest Nater Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 I always thought the leg sweeping, power move reversing, lariat dodging, non cross-body flying cruiserweights were the natural counter to hosses? Rey is king of the cruiserweights right now though.
Guest combat_rock Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 Personally, I think they can and should push speed, strength, technical ability, and what not as equal attributes. Thus, sometimes the cruiser wins, sometimes the Hoss wins. I mean, most action movies and shows with staged fights already have smaller, quicker heros triumphing over big, strong villians in the end, so why not sometimes in wrestling too?
jester Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 Personally, I think they can and should push speed, strength, technical ability, and what not as equal attributes. Thus, sometimes the cruiser wins, sometimes the Hoss wins. I mean, most action movies and shows with staged fights already have smaller, quicker heros triumphing over big, strong villians in the end, so why not sometimes in wrestling too? Exactly. The hoss is big and strong and can put you away with a few power moves, but he's slow and not as technically proficient. The cruiser is small and speedy, and while his moves don't do as much damage, he can wear you down with an assortment of flashy moves. So the story of the match is can the cruiser keep out of the hosses' clutches long enough to win the match? All it could take is one lucky grab from the hoss to end the match.
evilhomer Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 There's good story potential in this type of match. The cruiser using his speed, athleticism and wrestling ability to overcome the size difference and the hoss impressing with raw power displays, having the cruiser do all the work acting like a pinball. But in WWE land where hosses aren't allowed to sell for non-hosses, this potential is nullified. All they serve to do is expose the cruisers size and make his offence look weak, and the hoss look foolish for taking five minutes to dispose of his obviously weaker opponent.
Guest Repo Man Reborn Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 Personally, I think they can and should push speed, strength, technical ability, and what not as equal attributes. Thus, sometimes the cruiser wins, sometimes the Hoss wins. I mean, most action movies and shows with staged fights already have smaller, quicker heros triumphing over big, strong villians in the end, so why not sometimes in wrestling too? But when the hoss is in line to possibly feud with a hoss who NEVER sells (initials UT), how are we supposed to believe he has any shot of going over? Mordecai has trouble beating Rey Mysterio, but he will eventually dispatch the Undertaker? Or beat a former world champion in Eddie Guerrero? I just think Mordecai is now ruined.......at least for a while.
Black Lushus Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 on a somewhat related note, how can anyone forget the awesome sight of Kevin Nash launching Rey Mysterio head first like a fucking dart into the side of that trailer back in 96? i don't think cruisers should be BEATING hoss-type guys, but it's cool when it looks like they're going to win only to eventually get overwhelmed by the power of that hoss...the only time light versus heavyweight works is in cases like Benoit, Bret Hart, HBK, Jericho, Eddy, etc. against UT, Nash, Vader, Yoko, Sid yadda yadda...Rey against say Yoko is just not what I want to see...
razazteca Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 When a hoss faces a small guy, you have a limited amount of options: 4) Comedy match of Funaki vs Albert It's Brother Love's favorite match?
Guest SoZe Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 the only time light versus heavyweight works is in cases like Benoit, Bret Hart, HBK, Jericho, Eddy, etc. against UT, Nash, Vader, Yoko, Sid yadda yadda...Rey against say Yoko is just not what I want to see... Thank God, because you'd gave to dig Yoko out of the earth for that to happen. Vince would STILL have Rey do the job I bet. "But Vince, c'mon, the guy is dead!!!" "Yeah, but he's fuckin' HUGE!!!"
algrim Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 Vince really needs to stop booking the David/Goliath angle. It's boring and it's also lost credibility.
Guest Your Olympic Hero Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 Personally, I think they can and should push speed, strength, technical ability, and what not as equal attributes. Thus, sometimes the cruiser wins, sometimes the Hoss wins. I mean, most action movies and shows with staged fights already have smaller, quicker heros triumphing over big, strong villians in the end, so why not sometimes in wrestling too? Exactly. The hoss is big and strong and can put you away with a few power moves, but he's slow and not as technically proficient. The cruiser is small and speedy, and while his moves don't do as much damage, he can wear you down with an assortment of flashy moves. So the story of the match is can the cruiser keep out of the hosses' clutches long enough to win the match? All it could take is one lucky grab from the hoss to end the match. But if the hoss wins, everyone will bitch...
AndrewTS Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 "Personally, I think they can and should push speed, strength, technical ability, and what not as equal attributes." Tough poopie--WWE doesn't even allow that in their video games anymore.
Guest wildpegasus Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 "Personally, I think they can and should push speed, strength, technical ability, and what not as equal attributes." Tough poopie--WWE doesn't even allow that in their video games anymore. What do you mean by that?
AlaskanHero Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 "Personally, I think they can and should push speed, strength, technical ability, and what not as equal attributes." Tough poopie--WWE doesn't even allow that in their video games anymore. What do you mean by that? Play Smackdown: HCTP. You could be Rey Mysterio and beat on Brock Lesnar for like a half-hour and Brock'll just shrug it off. However, about 4 moves from Brock gets Lesnar the win.
Guest Quik Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 The only way a Mordecai/Rey feud could get interesting would be if Mordy yelled "God hates Mexicans" as he gave Rey the Outsider's Edge. And even then, it's only funny to see what kind of push Vince would give him after all the horrible publicity. Anyway, my dream cruiserweight/heavyweight match would be one where the cruiserweight is just horribly overmatched by the hoss leading up to it. But when the match rolls around, the CW just grabs a chair and bashes the holy hell out of the hoss. Sure he gets DQ'd, but it would be a great moment none-the-less.
jester Posted July 2, 2004 Report Posted July 2, 2004 Exactly. The hoss is big and strong and can put you away with a few power moves, but he's slow and not as technically proficient. The cruiser is small and speedy, and while his moves don't do as much damage, he can wear you down with an assortment of flashy moves. So the story of the match is can the cruiser keep out of the hosses' clutches long enough to win the match? All it could take is one lucky grab from the hoss to end the match. But if the hoss wins, everyone will bitch... No, people are bitching now because the Hoss almost always wins. Rey going over Mordecai is an anomoly compared to what usually happens. If there was a mix of outcomes, it would make the product much more watchable.
Scroby Posted July 3, 2004 Report Posted July 3, 2004 Here's the whole point of those matches... well there's two points... 1. To make the Hoss look like a bully/power house. 2. To make Rey Mysterio look good when he beats the hoss. Honestly it worked for Spike Dudley in ECW but in the WWE doesn't really work for anyone.
Guest Real F'n Show Posted July 3, 2004 Report Posted July 3, 2004 It's been said before, and I'll say it again... BRUCE PRITCHARD IS FUCKING RETARDED
Guest combat_rock Posted July 3, 2004 Report Posted July 3, 2004 Well, I agree with that. Personally, I think that if they are going to go with the Mordecai gimmick again in the future, this was a mistake. Not because he's so much bigger, but because his supernatural element should give him an advantage over ALL the "normal" guys. I wouldn't have a problem putting Rey Rey cleanly over Big Show, JBL, or any "non-gimmicked" Hoss though.
Guest Soylent Green Is People Posted July 3, 2004 Report Posted July 3, 2004 Cruisers and bigger wrestlers should be able to mix in the ring if the company wasn't stupid, but with the WWE's 'hoss vs cruiser' record being something like 3654135741 to 8 in favor of the hosses, they've pretty much booked themselves into a corner where every time the smaller wrestler does get the upset, it makes the hoss look like crap seeing he can't beat one of the small guys a hoss usually crushes. Rey's somewhat of an exception in that he's been shown as able to be competitive to an extent with the heavies, but other than him the big guy/little guy matches just end up leaving one guy looking like crap. That won't stop them booking them until the end of eternity though.
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