CBright7831 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 Do you all believe George W. Bush will be the President elect? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest INXS Report post Posted July 2, 2004 Sadly I believe he will be as so far Kerry has done little to demonstrate that he is a worthy candidate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhalen 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 You bastard, you nicked my poll idea lol, personally, I dont think either of them should win, Bush is a poor public speaker, he always looks nervous, and Kerry, goddamn, is he the greyest man the democrats could have come up with, everytime I see him on the news he always sends me to sleep, he needs some charisma sharpish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 Not sure. This should be an interesting election. Battle ground states like PA and MI and NJ that went for Gore in '00 seem to be in play, as is states like OH and FL that went for Bush (yeah, I know JEB GAVE HIS BRO THE WIN). In addition, mid-size states like WI, NM, OR and WA appear to be close again. Kerry will probably get CA and NY with no problem, and Bush will get all those low-electoral states in the Midwest. It'll be interesting to see where the other states fall 4 months from now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhalen 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 Does personality politics matter with the American elecorate? Or is it purely on ideas? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBright7831 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 You bastard, you nicked my poll idea lol, personally, I dont think either of them should win, Bush is a poor public speaker, he always looks nervous, and Kerry, goddamn, is he the greyest man the democrats could have come up with, everytime I see him on the news he always sends me to sleep, he needs some charisma sharpish. Well, if there is anyway to edit this into a poll, then I say we should do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 Does personality politics matter with the American elecorate? Or is it purely on ideas? Uh, yeah. We here in America like to deeply ponder the benefits and setbacks each candidate has to offer to us and our children... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhalen 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 Sorry that came out wrong, what I meant was, if someone like Kerry who lacked charisma, would he be hurt badly in the polls, or is it not really a big issue like it is over here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest INXS Report post Posted July 2, 2004 Would Edwards as VP alter the charisma factor for Kerry? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 Usually the voting demographics can be broken down like this. 1/3 will vote for the Dem come hell or high water 1/3 will do the same for the Rep 1/3 are swing voters, and both Parties try to appeal to them once the campaign season kicks off. Kerry will probably paint Bush as a war-mongering dolt, and Bush will paint Kerry as an out-of-touch liberal. It'll be great fun. Personally, I think Bush has the better campaign staff, but all the attacks he's been enduring will help Kerry very much. I think one telling sign is that despite all the bad news Bush has had for the last 6 months or so, Kerry really hasn't gotten any momentum. Bush's approval ratings have dropped, but Kerry's hasn't risen that much. Just my non-partisan observation (and I'm trying to be objective in this thread). Nothing more, nothing less... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 Would Edwards as VP alter the charisma factor for Kerry? Even though we seem to talk about VP candidates a lot, they really don't seem to make much of a difference in the long run. I think Edwards' candidacy will help more in the sense it might put a Southern state or two into play for Kerry's campaign... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhalen 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 I think one telling sign is that despite all the bad news Bush has had for the last 6 month or so, Kerry really hasn't gotten any momentum. Bush's approval ratings have dropped, but Kerry's hasn't risen that much. Just my non-partisan observation. Nothing more, nothing less... Actually, now that we move into election time over here, the exact same has happened, because Conservative supported the Iraq war, all Blairs been doing is just turning round and saying "Well, you supported us then", and they really havent got an answer to that, thats why the main battlegorunds over here have been Health and the European Union so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 Well, off I go to Ohio. No more questions for me... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBright7831 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 Here are the results state by state/county by county. Bush = Blue Gore = Red Bush = Red Gore = Blue Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 Oh yes, because area of land that votes for you means you're better... what a foolish premise. Let's ignore how many people might live in each county. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CronoT Report post Posted July 2, 2004 Do you all believe George W. Bush will be the President elect? As long as Bush doesn't get the world blown up, or the GOP doesn't try to reverse the Constitutional Amendment they made to get FDR/Truman out of the oval office, then I can survive 4 more years of his total and absolute stupidity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 Yes, yes, he will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBright7831 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 Oh yes, because area of land that votes for you means you're better... what a foolish premise. Let's ignore how many people might live in each county. Calm down, calm down. I just found that interesting, and this is what I get for it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2004 You don't get the ridicule, it's the smarmy text on the second one that bugged me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2004 You don't get the ridicule, it's the smarmy text on the second one that bugged me. The map might be better in the discussion of the electoral college. It however does show the importance of the electoral college. Seeing that President Bush's support was so much more widespread, while Gore's support lied mostly in the highly populated areas of the country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Olympic Slam Report post Posted July 3, 2004 You don't get the ridicule, it's the smarmy text on the second one that bugged me. The map might be better in the discussion of the electoral college. It however does show the importance of the electoral college. Seeing that President Bush's support was so much more widespread, while Gore's support lied mostly in the highly populated areas of the country. Liberals scream about diversity..........except when it comes to electing the President. Hearing what different people, from different areas of the country with different needs and ideas isn't the right kind of diversity I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BX 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2004 You can't be fucking serious. What an absurd stretch of logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Olympic Slam Report post Posted July 3, 2004 How so? I'm 1000% right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2004 You don't get the ridicule, it's the smarmy text on the second one that bugged me. The map might be better in the discussion of the electoral college. It however does show the importance of the electoral college. Seeing that President Bush's support was so much more widespread, while Gore's support lied mostly in the highly populated areas of the country. Liberals scream about diversity..........except when it comes to electing the President. Hearing what different people, from different areas of the country with different needs and ideas isn't the right kind of diversity I guess. This wanders around "Yes, communism, marxism and socialism are HUGE threats to America right now. A far bigger threat than Islamic terrorism" in the field of coherance, logic and fact Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2004 Sorry that came out wrong, what I meant was, if someone like Kerry who lacked charisma, would he be hurt badly in the polls, or is it not really a big issue like it is over here? I don't think charisma has that much to do with it. Bush as a Governor and a candidate had a lot more charisma. He really seemed like he was interested in cutting through partisan gridlock, even to a skeptic like me. It seemed to be the Presidential version of what Arnold was promising (and so far delivering) to California. Bush was going on about elevating the discourse and simply a lack of the bitterness we've seen in the past four months. Governor Bush and President Bush are such radically different personalities that it's sad. But both are fighting a rather charisma-free Democrat, and the race is looking as even as it did last time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted July 3, 2004 I'm voting for Bush. But Kerry will win. If Bush somehow does win though, I really hope it isn't close again, because I do NOT need another 4 fucking years of WE DIDN'T ELECT THIS PRESIDENT BLAH BLAH BLAH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2004 I think it will be close - probably on par with the last election, although hopefully with much less clusterfucking around. In the end, though, I think Bush will win. Kerry's too weak of a candidate, and even help from a strong VP candidate (and who would that be? Outside of McCain, there isn't anyone who I would consider "strong" - even Jon Edwards is, at best, unproven) and a sizable anti-Bush lobby won't be enough to overcome his faults. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted July 4, 2004 Usually the voting demographics can be broken down like this. 1/3 will vote for the Dem come hell or high water 1/3 will do the same for the Rep 1/3 are swing voters, and both Parties try to appeal to them once the campaign season kicks off. Kerry will probably paint Bush as a war-mongering dolt, and Bush will paint Kerry as an out-of-touch liberal. It'll be great fun. Personally, I think Bush has the better campaign staff, but all the attacks he's been enduring will help Kerry very much. I think one telling sign is that despite all the bad news Bush has had for the last 6 months or so, Kerry really hasn't gotten any momentum. Bush's approval ratings have dropped, but Kerry's hasn't risen that much. Just my non-partisan observation (and I'm trying to be objective in this thread). Nothing more, nothing less... Very well put especially the last paragraph. If Kerry was going to win, you would think the negative publicity Bush has had lately Kerry would be rolling but he's in neutral. I don't think you can say this election will be closer than 2000, but hell yeah it will be close. I don't really care who wins ( I will vote though ), it just seems there will be so much partisan gridlock in the next 4 years anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted July 4, 2004 I think it will be close - probably on par with the last election, although hopefully with much less clusterfucking around. In the end, though, I think Bush will win. Kerry's too weak of a candidate, and even help from a strong VP candidate (and who would that be? Outside of McCain, there isn't anyone who I would consider "strong" - even Jon Edwards is, at best, unproven) and a sizable anti-Bush lobby won't be enough to overcome his faults. Hell, McCain is an impossibility as he's been campaigning for Bush for months now. Kerry is allegedly going to reveal his VP nominee this week on the 'net. -=Mike ...And if you dislike his choice, you'll be questioning his patriotism... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBright7831 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2004 I'll ask you all again, now that a VP pick has been announced, do you think Bush will be declared the winner on November 3rd? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
