On November 3, 2004...

[NoCalMike 0]

Dubya is pretty horrible when it comes to coming up with answers on his own. I almost seriously doubt there will even be a debate for this election between Bush & Kerry unless strict rules apply to making sure all questions are pre-screened, which pretty much makes the debates useless and not worth watching......

[Justice 0]

Never mind the fact he was a coke head and has DUIs all over the place...

"All over the place" being one in 1976.

You don't dispute the fact he's a coke head though. We're making progress Mike. Stick with me and we'll go places. Going back to the DUIs he was charged once, but I'm willing to wager he was pulled over for it a couple of other times and got off with it. Just as I'm sure Ted Kennedy's gotten away with it too. Just thought I'd make that clear so you don't pull out the biased stuff.

He's just as much a coke-head as Clinton and Gore were pot-heads. He did some in the 70's... Big deal. We are getting to an age where soon the President will have grown up playing Nintendo and probably tried drugs a few times at least. Frankly, if he hasn't done it in 30 years, I'd say it has a negligable effect on his life right now.

 

Secondly, your comment on his daughters are moronic: Teens get caught drinking all the time. It happens. Even though he's the leader of the free world, he's still a regular dad and kids will still do stupid stuff. Did you ever drink when you were underage? I've done it a few times, and I've had the good fortune of not getting caught, but I'd hardly say that it was even remotely my father's fault.

 

Eh, there really isn't much to say that Kerry is that much smarter. Far duller, yes, but dullness =/= intelligence. And if you want to bring up gaffs, Kerry is on-route to becoming the Democratic version of George Bush anyways.

 

We both know who I really spoke of, still if you want to go that route then ok. At least John Kerry would be running things and not nodding and smiling like a gasceous baby while the vice president says "Go play with your action figures, I've got big people work to handle here".

 

I don't EVER remember Hillary being VP.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

He's just as much a coke-head as Clinton and Gore were pot-heads. He did some in the 70's... Big deal.

I've always stood by the fact that marijuana is illegal because the government can neither control it or tax it. If they could it would be out there for sale since its about on the same level as alcohol as being bad for you. Cocaine though just destroys people. Also, who's to say he stopped? He's an energetic little fellow so I wouldn't be surprised if he's snorting a few rails here and there still.

 

We are getting to an age where soon the President will have grown up playing Nintendo

I would seriously love to see a candidate say "I'm going to stomp those terrorists like Mario stomped goombas!".

 

Secondly, your comment on his daughters are moronic: Teens get caught drinking all the time. It happens. Even though he's the leader of the free world, he's still a regular dad and kids will still do stupid stuff. Did you ever drink when you were underage? I've done it a few times, and I've had the good fortune of not getting caught, but I'd hardly say that it was even remotely my father's fault.

Its not his fault that they wanted to drink or experiment and shit, but he did have the funds to buy them things or get them involved in other projects where they could have stayed sober. Clinton was a great father, Chelsea is going to really be something one day. Horrible husband, good father.

 

We both know who I really spoke of, still if you want to go that route then ok. At least John Kerry would be running things and not nodding and smiling like a gasceous baby while the vice president says "Go play with your action figures, I've got big people work to handle here".

 

I don't EVER remember Hillary being VP.

You bastard...from here on out though all interns must be referred to as "Action Figures".

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I don't think anyone's problem with G-Dub was the Coke in the mainstream. It probably shook the conservative base a little, but they're not blindly loving him anyway so it doesn't matter.

 

The only scary thing to be concerned about is the fact that he refused to say he didn't do coke just as much as he refused to say that he did. And that some people hold this up as a defense to claims he did use it.

[Justice 0]

He's just as much a coke-head as Clinton and Gore were pot-heads. He did some in the 70's... Big deal.

I've always stood by the fact that marijuana is illegal because the government can neither control it or tax it. If they could it would be out there for sale since its about on the same level as alcohol as being bad for you. Cocaine though just destroys people. Also, who's to say he stopped? He's an energetic little fellow so I wouldn't be surprised if he's snorting a few rails here and there still.

Eh, I'd say it's next to impossible for him to do it without anyone knowing. Hell, it'd be visible in some way or another if he had a coke addiction. Like you said, it destroys people.

 

And I think his physical activeness comes from having a heart rate of around 45 (I still think that's fucking insane)...

 

I would seriously love to see a candidate say "I'm going to stomp those terrorists like Mario stomped goombas!".

 

"I'd like to tell Saddam something on behalf of the Iraqi people: All your base are belong to us."

 

Its not his fault that they wanted to drink or experiment and shit, but he did have the funds to buy them things or get them involved in other projects where they could have stayed sober. Clinton was a great father, Chelsea is going to really be something one day. Horrible husband, good father.

 

Bullshit reasoning. I've gotten piss drunk before, and I've been tons of different service groups and such. Just because you have a drinking offense on your record doesn't mean you are a bad person or that you will not become anything in life. Again, it happens to tons of teens regardless of what their parents want.

 

And we don't know Chelsea never drank... she just never got caught. *Shrugs*

 

You bastard...from here on out though all interns must be referred to as "Action Figures".

 

"I'm a-gonna show you my Kung Fu grip now..."

[Guest MikeSC]

Heaven forbid you vote for a man who isn't charasmatic. I mean so long as they have a great smile and come off as somebody you'd want to hang out with then there's no need for good ideas on how to change things. Pretty sad when people are voting for charisma over intelligence.

Well, they did graduate FROM THE SAME SCHOOL.

Are you seriously implying that just because they went to the same school that they are equally intelligent and one person going to a school couldn't possibly be smarter than another person going to that same school? Emphasis on serious, because you did imply it either way...so I want to know if it was sarcasm or actually feeling that way.

I'm saying Bush is smarter. Flat out. He also has that Harvard degree.

During Bush's presidency I've learned that allowing a man who can't even send his daughters in the right direction during their youth isn't a good choice to lead the country.

Because, God knows, kids do EXACTLY what their parents say 24/7. Have you done things your parents disapprove of at any point?

My father is neither president, nor did he strike it rich in the oil bussiness which could have allowed him to place me in programs to keep me away from trouble. I also know you'll try saying it doesn't matter, but it does. We both know that people with money and intelligence can keep their children out of harm's way. Bush has money...I'll leave it at that.

Shall we go down the list of famous children who did things to embarass their rich parents? Parents can't FORCE their kids to live good lives. His daughters seem to have turned out just fine --- and why they're an issue in the first place is lost on me.

Never mind the fact he was a coke head and has DUIs all over the place...

"All over the place" being one in 1976.

You don't dispute the fact he's a coke head though.

I don't take it seriously enough to even respond to it.

We're making progress Mike. Stick with me and we'll go places. Going back to the DUIs he was charged once, but I'm willing to wager he was pulled over for it a couple of other times and got off with it.

So, "all over the place" consists primarily of your assumptions?

that game show host smile sure looks good and hides the fact there's nothing going on up in that part of his head where most people have a brain.

Insulting John Edwards like that is awfully petty.

We both know who I really spoke of, still if you want to go that route then ok. At least John Kerry would be running things and not nodding and smiling like a gasceous baby while the vice president says "Go play with your action figures, I've got big people work to handle here".

Nah, Kerry will just decompose in the corner, per usual. And Edwards will call up Quayle and ask how he had so much more experience when he was VP.

President Bush is a warmonger that some wager ought to be a criminal. Governor Bush was a nice guy seemed to really want to change the tone in Washington, if you'll just forgive that whole "McCain's illegitimate black child" thing.

I suppose you'll provide even an iota of evidence dealing with that slander, right?

I've always stood by the fact that marijuana is illegal because the government can neither control it or tax it. If they could it would be out there for sale since its about on the same level as alcohol as being bad for you. Cocaine though just destroys people. Also, who's to say he stopped? He's an energetic little fellow so I wouldn't be surprised if he's snorting a few rails here and there still.

Heck, who's to say that Kerry doesn't bang little girls all of the time? He is awfully lethargic...

Its not his fault that they wanted to drink or experiment and shit, but he did have

the funds to buy them things or get them involved in other projects where they could have stayed sober. Clinton was a great father, Chelsea is going to really be something one day. Horrible husband, good father.

And you assume Bush's daughters WON'T? Hell, I've learned to ignore the tabloid stories of Chelsea's drinking and partying.

The only scary thing to be concerned about is the fact that he refused to say he didn't do coke just as much as he refused to say that he did. And that some people hold this up as a defense to claims he did use it.

He did what a candidate should do. The press doesn't have a right to know everything about your history. Simply refuse to discuss it.

-=Mike

[SuperJerk 0]

Hell, I've learned to ignore the tabloid stories of Chelsea's drinking and partying.

Bush's daughter's behavior is a matter of public record. Accusing Chelsea Clinton of this is unfounded gossip.

 

(Not that I'm saying its Bush's fault. Those girls are old enough to make their own choices, and by all accounts Bush did his best to keep his family together by cleaning up and getting his life back on track. Its too bad his daughters didn't learn from his mistakes, but that's no indication he was a bad parent. Attacking Bush's family is out of line.)

 

I'm saying Bush is smarter. Flat out. He also has that Harvard degree.

Riiiight.

 

Can't wait to see how you spin Bush's upcoming intellectual spanking in the presidential debates. Based on the performances Kerry's had during his Senate campaigns (thanks CSPAN!), Bush is fucking toast.

[CBright7831 0]

I hate election years. They suck, plain and simple. I have Bush/Kerry on my mind nearly all day, especially when I'm at the computer. I wish this was November so we could get this over with.

 

God, I don't see how Bush can win this. Out of the 15+ message boards I've visited this year, only 3-4 of them have been mostly pro-Bush (including this one).

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

God, I don't see how Bush can win this. Out of the 15+ message boards I've visited this year, only 3-4 of them have been mostly pro-Bush (including this one).

*snicker, snicker; tee-hee*

 

Oh, I have to leave this thread before I lose it altogether...

[CBright7831 0]

God, I don't see how Bush can win this. Out of the 15+ message boards I've visited this year, only 3-4 of them have been mostly pro-Bush (including this one).

*snicker, snicker; tee-hee*

 

Oh, I have to leave this thread before I lose it altogether...

It's just the morale of people hate Bush it seems. Why do they hate Bush?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Those are message boards. .01% of the actual population and even less are able to vote. If you really think message boards represent America than you seriously need to go outside more often.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

You second-to-last post is the 2000 version of that quote by some liberal who couldn't understand how Nixon beat McGovern (or was it Ike v. Stevenson?).

 

"I don't know how he could have won. Nobody I knew voted for him..."

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

That was from one of Goldberg's books. Talking about how like minded people hang around each other and then think that's how everyone else thinks.

[Guest MikeSC]

You second-to-last post is the 2000 version of that quote by some liberal who couldn't understand how Nixon beat McGovern (or was it Ike v. Stevenson?).

 

"I don't know how he could have won. Nobody I knew voted for him..."

It was a quote from, I believe, Pauline Kael, renowned film critic.

 

She ALSO lambasted "Roger & Me", so she is tolerable.

=-Mike

[tommytomlin 0]

I almost seriously doubt there will even be a debate for this election between Bush & Kerry unless strict rules apply to making sure all questions are pre-screened, which pretty much makes the debates useless and not worth watching......

I don't know much about American political customs, but surely a debate is required before an election? Who organises the debates?

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

The debates have already been scheduled.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Will the "A vote for Kerry would please our enemies" stuff come out soon?

 

because Reagan did it in 1980

 

http://livingroomcandidate.movingimage.us/...campaign_id=172

 

watch the "Safire" ad where they talk about how the Ayatollah doesn't want people to vote for Reagan.

 

In theory, it won't get to that point. But you never know.

[NoCalMike 0]

Hell, I've learned to ignore the tabloid stories of Chelsea's drinking and partying.

Bush's daughter's behavior is a matter of public record. Accusing Chelsea Clinton of this is unfounded gossip.

 

(Not that I'm saying its Bush's fault. Those girls are old enough to make their own choices, and by all accounts Bush did his best to keep his family together by cleaning up and getting his life back on track. Its too bad his daughters didn't learn from his mistakes, but that's no indication he was a bad parent. Attacking Bush's family is out of line.)

 

I'm saying Bush is smarter. Flat out. He also has that Harvard degree.

Riiiight.

 

Can't wait to see how you spin Bush's upcoming intellectual spanking in the presidential debates. Based on the performances Kerry's had during his Senate campaigns (thanks CSPAN!), Bush is fucking toast.

I really hope Nader by some miracle can get into the debates this year, and make both candidates look foolish. He has nothing to lose, and will go after both candidates and bring up topics I am sure both would want to steer clear of. Imagine Bush's puzzled look when an audience actually expects him to answer a tough,question all by himself, or when Kerry is confronted with the fact that he voted in favor of pretty much all the bills he is now voicing his disapproval of.

 

For anyone interested, Friday on CSPAN Howard Dean vs. Ralph Nader Debate: I think it comes on at 3pm eastern, but usually with stuff like this it gets replayed throughout the day and night and weekend. Should be fun........

[Styles 0]

For anyone interested, Friday on CSPAN Howard Dean vs. Ralph Nader Debate: I think it comes on at 3pm eastern, but usually with stuff like this it gets replayed throughout the day and night and weekend. Should be fun........

What exactly are they debating? Who's more out of touch with the real world?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Debate? More like another Bush-bashing-circle-jerk meeting, imo.

 

Anyone watch it?...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Debate? More like another Bush-bashing-circle-jerk meeting, imo.

 

Anyone watch it?...

Dean accused Nader of basically reaching to the bottom of the barrel by taking Republican money for his campaign. Nader said that Dean has gone from being the outsider criticisizing the insider to being a DNC suckup.

 

They then proceeded to turn their heads away from each other while reaching out and trying to hit each other in girlish slapping mannerisms.

 

 

Okay, not that last part.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I can't see the fight doing well for Nader after Dean Hulks up.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I don't know if Bush can win if the PR Nightmares continue with the frequency with which they have been lately. It seems this administration can do absolutely nothing right, and Kerry hasn't even been campaigning all that hard.

[Guest MikeSC]

I don't know if Bush can win if the PR Nightmares continue with the frequency with which they have been lately. It seems this administration can do absolutely nothing right, and Kerry hasn't even been campaigning all that hard.

Yet, with all of these "PR nightmares" and one helluva BJ for Edwards --- Kerry can't really open a lead.

 

Sad.

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

And the funny thing is I keep reading that during this time in '88, Bush I was trailing by double digits...

[Guest No Survivors]

Then again, George 1 didn't have Fox news tirelessly campaigning for him every day of the week.

[alfdogg 0]

I would seriously love to see a candidate say "I'm going to stomp those terrorists like Mario stomped goombas!".

I enjoyed this.

 

All your base are belong to us

I've heard this used here many times before, but don't know what it means. Someone educate me.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

There was a poorly translated game that came out on one of the Sega systems that had that line in it.

[Guest MikeSC]

Then again, George 1 didn't have Fox news tirelessly campaigning for him every day of the week.

He only had the press actively campaigning against him. I suppose that is preferrable to some.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I was really young, but the only time I remember the press really harassing Bush I was the recession, which was Reagan's "military spending above all else" values coming back to bite everyone in the ass.

 

Aside from his statement on how atheists shouldn't be considered citizens or patriots (which is an opinion he may have embellished because he was running against Pat Robertson in a "who can be a bigger fundie" contest, but he said it nonetheless) I don't really have a lot of Bush I hate for his Presidency.

 

Not quite sure what to make about his connections with the Carlyle Group and other companies, but I'm not going to take Michael Moore's opinion on the issue as valid, either.