tommytomlin 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 HBK was small, but he was ripped. Paul London looks like Ricky Steamboat at the age of 14. No casual fans would ever take him seriously as a main eventer, or even a solid midcarder, because he doesn't look like a legit threat. Simple as that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vermilion 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 I think london is a great wrestler and should be pushed but I don,t believe he will you can't just compare him to shawn and say he will be pushed to shawn had thinks going for him london dosen't: Shawn had the klique londons connections are nothing if being trained by Shawn gets you a spot then would spanky have been fired also if Shawn was pushing for him students to get pushed wouldn't Michael Shane at lest be in wwe?, also Shawn came in at a time where being a hoss was going out for people that have in-ring ablity right now on smackdown they are pushing more towards bigger guys again, and Shawn had Bret to work with who dose london have to work with to show him off at this time? I can barely make sense of this but I'll try anyway. Spanky didn't get fired, he quit, there actually IS a difference. Shawn didn't have only Bret, he pulled out pretty good matches with larger opponents as well. London has a moveset that would work with pretty much any size opponent so if given any opportunity at all, I think he could be moved towards the top of the card. I have yet to see his promo skills as well, so I'll wait to pass judgment on that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 According to London's website he's 5-11, 205 That's about the same size Michaels was in his early Rocker days. Paul London is 24. London puts on 10-20 more pounds of muscle and he's basically the EXACT size Michaels was when he went solo in late 92, and Michaels didn't get his singles push until he was in his late 20's. Give London time, he's got a very bright future ahead of him..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest justinpayne Report post Posted July 30, 2004 sorry I normaly say stuff in a way alot of people cant understand I know shawn had good matches with larger people but I think the matchs that put him over were with Bret. Bret was on top and could work great matches with him and really put him over. Right now I could see hhh puting london over but can you think of any one on the top on sd that could and would put london over? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 From the heel side, definitely Kurt Angle could do a lot to elevate the perception of London, much in the way that guys like Dibiase put over Hart and Michaels in singles matches when they were still tag workers. Put London in a 15 minute SD main-event with Angle where London plays the underdog and almost pulls off an upset and that could go a long way to putting him over as a real threat, much like what was done with Rey shortly after he debuted. Booker T seems like another heel who could do a lot to make London look credible in a well booked match, maybe even JBL if they're willing to have him show some ass against a smaller guy. for now though, I think the Dudley Boyz have done a comendable job putting London and also Kidman over as wrestlers who should be taken seriously. And in the same respect, I've found the Dudley Boyz more interesting these last few weeks than I have in years now that they have a decent team to play against in a program that puts both teams over, and the tie in of Rey and Spike has been excellent booking from the SD guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
megaadvice 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 If London ever becomes wwe champion i will give every1 on this forum $100 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra Violence 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 If London ever becomes wwe champion i will give every1 on this forum $100 *witnessed* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Epic Reine 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 *it doesn't matter* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dids Report post Posted July 30, 2004 For all of this "he'll never get over/been seen as credible" nonsense... It's all in the booking. If the WWE wants to make London seem a credible title holder they can do it. They got Euguene over, they can make London into a threat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AnonymousBroccoli 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 London's fortunate that most of his SD! exposure has come as a tag team wrestler. True, the tag division sucks ball most of the time, but it doesn't have the unfortunate negative stigma that's seemingly attached to being a WWE cruiserweight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest M. Harry Smilac Report post Posted July 30, 2004 He's gonna have to give Vince a little bit of that booty like Shawn if he expects to get anywhere. People need to get real though.The next big thing is gonna be one of the random hosses wwe calls up from ovw from time to time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 If the WWE hasn't given Rey Mysterio the chance to break free of the CW Division and move onto bigger things what the fuck makes people think they'll give Paul London that chance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 London's bigger and has a "boy next door" feel to him. If he develops some cocky persona, he could definitely get over big, even if he just acts like that asshole that sat in the back of class during English and hassled everybody else. Also, while I don't doubt London can tell a great story and sell like a bastard, I do have to critique his seemingly complete lack of intensity with the way he does his moves. It's hard to explain what I don't like about him, but it's just the way he seems to let his limbs dangle when he's not doing anything with them. For instance, look at him while he runs. He doesn't move his arms at all, just kinda lets them flop about like Jim Carrey did in Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls after being shot with the blowgun three times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted July 30, 2004 If the WWE hasn't given Rey Mysterio the chance to break free of the CW Division and move onto bigger things what the fuck makes people think they'll give Paul London that chance? Because he's viewed as a WWE guy. Even though Paul is an indy guy.....he did go through the OVW stuff and "retrained"(aka went to OVW and was taught how to tone down his moveset) so I think that would eventually get him further than Mysterio. Plus Mysterio is masked......and we all know how much they love that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted July 30, 2004 I think London is well suited where he is now. I'd like to see him work a couple of really good PPV tag matches to see how he gets over in WWE style. He seems like a bit of a soft hand to me. But I have seen VERY little of his work outside WWE. Would anyone other than me like to see Rey elevated to US title status? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted July 30, 2004 It's obsurd how Rey has never been elevated outside of the feud he had at Summerslam 2002 with Angle. That match was great. So obviously they should have moved him back to the cruiser division huh? I think they could have used Rey in millions of different situations........but I guess they would rather push the shitty OVW hosses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 For the first year or so after his debut Rey has quite the PPV losing streak going, IIRC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 *it doesn't matter* He doesn't have reasoning he just doesnt want to believe it possible. Not by facts but by opinion... Bah Gawd no one under 6 foot should have the World Championship Belt!!! That just untinkable. And its elitist to think the discussion is over because its said... Oh Discussions over Moderator please close and lock the Thread for I Have proclaimed it Closed sooo do not defy my just god like ruling! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michrome 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 Oh knock it the fuck off, London is good in small doses, when he can hit his "indy spots!" Otherwise, whether or not you wanna see "cruiserweight moonsault dropkicks" or not...be realistic. How does it feel to be so stupid? Honestly, he reels off some cute indy spots because he's trying to get over with the crowd in the short amount of time he has, but if you think that's all there is to him, you haven't seen shit. One notable accomplishment was having Jamie Knoble's career match on Velocity, even though it's probably not a top 5 for Paul. Check out ROH 12/7/02, 12/27/02, 4/12/03, and 6/14/03 for tremendous matches that have nothing to do with indy spots. Hell, the fact that his matches in WWE revolve around dropsaults shows how hard he's trying to just do something unique out there. He had 2 matches in 2003 that smoke any technical WWE matches in the last 5+ years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Just call me Dan 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 Before they do ANYTHING with London he needs to cut the high school haircut and get some tights that don't look so bush league. If the guy has any kind of look what so ever, he looks like a damned fool right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enigma 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 Jericho aint pushed anymore, and he wore stilts to be 6'0. Angle had drawing credentials prior, [Olympic Gold Medalist], Eddy connects to the Latino market. I dunno why Vince pushed Benoit, I guess for his loyalty and internet, because he hasn't changed buyrates or anything. Oh yeah, because Lord knows Vince McMahon ALWAYS books for the internet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enigma 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 Anyways, I don't see what future a guy could have that was signed only to piss off TNA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted July 30, 2004 So you're saying Vince knows TNA exists, and is actively competing with them for talent? I doubt it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2004 If London goes the HBK route in terms of turns and allignments, then he could be a contender. Could is a BIG word here though. As has been said, it's all in the booking and so far that booking doesn't favor anyone London's size. Guys a lot better suited to the main event than Paul London have been denied the 'big' push. Rey Mysterio. Dean Malenko. Jeff Hardy, to a certain extent. I can't see a reason why he'd buck the trend, unless another TLC comes along and he does something nutty to put himself over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest WerdLife666 Report post Posted July 31, 2004 Even though Paul is an indy guy.....he did go through the OVW stuff and "retrained"(aka went to OVW and was taught how to tone down his moveset) so I think that would eventually get him further than Mysterio. Actually London had exactly one OVW match and was only assigned there for a matter of weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thuganomics 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2004 Anyways, I don't see what future a guy could have that was signed only to piss off TNA. While he was signed only a couple of weeks after his TNA debut I don't really think that WWE gave a lick who worked for them. I'm guessing they signed London after Cornette's repeated visits to ROH showed to him that he was a talent worth having in WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enigma 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2004 Anyways, I don't see what future a guy could have that was signed only to piss off TNA. While he was signed only a couple of weeks after his TNA debut I don't really think that WWE gave a lick who worked for them. I'm guessing they signed London after Cornette's repeated visits to ROH showed to him that he was a talent worth having in WWE. Alexis Laree was signed at the same time when she was in a prominent position in TNA and she's still never been on TV. London's mainly been a JTTS since he was signed too. How anyone can say these two were signed for any other reason than pissing off TNA is beyond me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites