benoit4hor 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 Who's gonna have to job to Randy if they really plan on making him a long-term champ. Hell if their not gonna use Scott Steiner why don't they just job him to Randy O and update his shirt. Who else will give Randy credibility depending on how long the Benoit fued goes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clean rob 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 Y2J, Edge & Benoit are the obvious programs to go with, if they really are leeting him go all the way from SS to WM21 with the belt. Even WWE aren't mad enough to try another Steiner main event run. Actually, where is he? Is he even still employed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo Effect 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 Y2J, Edge & Benoit are the obvious programs to go with, if they really are leeting him go all the way from SS to WM21 with the belt. Even WWE aren't mad enough to try another Steiner main event run. Actually, where is he? Is he even still employed? His contract runs out in something like October. They're just letting him sit out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 Jericho...if he's not going to be jobbing to Randy a good bit prior to Mania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aero 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 I read somewhere that Steiner is basically gone. WWE.com took his bio off the website a month or two ago. Â Anyway, I don't think Benoit is even going to lose at Summerslam. In the case that he does, I'm guessing Orton will maybe have a rematch with Benoit at Unforgiven, probably with a gimmick. Then, until WM, he faces Edge and Jericho on the PPVs, and guys like Regal and Kane on Raws. So... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benoit4hor 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 Everyone in the uppercard is going to job to Randy, until he jobs to HHH and then everyone who jobbed to Randy will get back in line to job to HHH? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 After La Rez lose the tag team titles they get the honor of losing to Randy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BHK 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 Y2J, Edge & Benoit are the obvious programs to go with, if they really are leeting him go all the way from SS to WM21 with the belt. Even WWE aren't mad enough to try another Steiner main event run. Actually, where is he? Is he even still employed? His contract runs out in something like October. They're just letting him sit out. Which is a shame, because I don't like Steiner, but he could definitely have use. Putting people over, etc. as a hell. If not on Raw at least on Heat. Â Also, yes, I see everyone jobbing to Randy, then dropping it to Triple H, and the cycle repeating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benoit4hor 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 Also, yes, I see everyone jobbing to Randy, then dropping it to Triple H, and the cycle repeating. I guess thats better than bringing in Heidenreich (spelling?) and giving him a shot at it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted August 3, 2004 The plan is for Orton to turn face. So his more probable opponents are Edge, Christian, Batista, Flair and Kane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 To be serious about this subject I think the only way to get the Nu Chosen One over is to have him pin all of the main eventers in tag team matches just like he did on the recent Raw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted August 3, 2004 There's only one main eventer he hasn't already beaten, and if they turn him face, a Rock feud won't work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benoit4hor 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 I think he should stay heel, and allthough he gets face pops at times he should just ignore them. I can't seem him as a face at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 Dear god, not another PPV main event with Kane. Guy isn't worth a damn on PPV. Â Also, the heel chasing the face into Wrestlemania? Does that usually happen? Â Take that back, has that ever happened? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo Effect 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 Y2J, Edge & Benoit are the obvious programs to go with, if they really are leeting him go all the way from SS to WM21 with the belt. Even WWE aren't mad enough to try another Steiner main event run. Actually, where is he? Is he even still employed? His contract runs out in something like October. They're just letting him sit out. Which is a shame, because I don't like Steiner, but he could definitely have use. Putting people over, etc. as a hell. If not on Raw at least on Heat. Â Also, yes, I see everyone jobbing to Randy, then dropping it to Triple H, and the cycle repeating. Steiner's a liability. Knowing that he wasn't getting a renewal, you never know what he would've done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2004 There's only one main eventer he hasn't already beaten, and if they turn him face, a Rock feud won't work. Randy Orton could spill coffee on Lita to piss off Kane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted August 3, 2004 Heel chasing the face into Wrestlemania? Â Bundy chased Hogan. Andre chased Hogan. Yokozuna chased Bret. Shawn chased Diesel. Angle chased Eddy. Â It's happened plenty of times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2004 Heel chasing the face into Wrestlemania? Bundy chased Hogan. Andre chased Hogan. Yokozuna chased Bret. Shawn chased Diesel. Angle chased Eddy.  It's happened plenty of times. True, but has the chasing heel walked in as challenger and walk out as champion? Maybe Triple H wants to get that accomplishment first just like the heel retaining first at WM 16. I think Orton will be a heel at first and then turn face. He would probably get rematches with Benoit and Jericho which might turn him face afterwards to go after Evolution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted August 4, 2004 Yokozuna didn't walk out champ, but he lost his match. The build seems backwards to me too, but HHH doesn't appear to be the one turning at this point. He may drop the title to HHH at some point before Mania and win it back there. We'll have to wait and see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Australian Pride 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2004 If Randy wins at Slam, I dont see him holding the title all the way to WM. I think they will do something similar to the Rock/Austin fued prior to WM15, where Rock traded the belt a few times with Mankind while Austin was trying to get himself a title shot. Â If he's staying as a heel, i say have hime trade the belt a few times with Jericho and then after Royal Rumble (which HHH will likely win) set them on the WM21 collision course. Â If he's a face, then heel Edge would be a good prospect for some decent matches and maybe a short run with the title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2004 I would rather Orton holding the belt all the way to WrestleMania instead of doing that Rock/Mankind trade-off stuff. It seems like they want to solidify Orton as being a legit main eventer and having him hold the belt all the way up to Wm 21 should at least make him seem like a real deal. That is what they should have done with Brock Lesnar originally instead of cutting his reign by jobbing out to Big Show. The guy was catching on and then they cut him off. They might have seen that problem and will rectify this time around. Orton seems like he is being given the position Brock had at first. Besides the days of one day title reigns seem to be over as it does no one any good. It was done in 1998 and 1999 to get people to watch raw instead of nitro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tjhe CyNick Report post Posted August 4, 2004 I would think they will keep Orton heel, and HHH will turn face after Survivor Series, or shortly thereafter. Â HHH has to go around promoting a couple of movies, I think they'll want him to be a babyface for that. Â AS for who to put Orton with; I see tons of great matches. Benoit could give him another PPV match in Sept. Edge is a logical fued, given their history. Jericho could be an opponent, although, to be honest, I dont think they have enough faith in him to main event. And saving the best for last, they have HBK. I would think he would be the perfect guy to program with Orton leading up to Mania (in otherwords Rumble/NWO time). HBK never really put over Orton properly the last time they had a one-on-one program, so early next year woudl be the right time. Â I would keep the title on Randy from SS to Mania. He had the IC title for 7 months, this would give him approx 7 months as World Champ, might be something they could do with that. Â Its Destiny! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kid Kablam Report post Posted August 4, 2004 Heel chasing the face into Wrestlemania? Bundy chased Hogan. Andre chased Hogan. Yokozuna chased Bret. Shawn chased Diesel. Angle chased Eddy.  It's happened plenty of times. True, but has the chasing heel walked in as challenger and walk out as champion? Maybe Triple H wants to get that accomplishment first just like the heel retaining first at WM 16. I think Orton will be a heel at first and then turn face. He would probably get rematches with Benoit and Jericho which might turn him face afterwards to go after Evolution. But HHH has broken down so many taboo booking practices. He's.... he's a pioneer! Just think, the first heel to walk into Wrestlemania with the title, and walk out with it!  Trust me, HHH has no qualms about violating the unwritten booking rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest krazykat72 Report post Posted August 4, 2004 Edge is going heel. It's been hinted at a lot with his in-ring lately and it's a matter of time before someone (probably Christian) sways him over. Â Orton will probably have programs with Jericho, Michaels and Benoit until 'Mania. Â -Paul Jacobi- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlwaysPissedOff 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2004 Edge should turn on his own, no need to have Christian help him do it. Plus, both of them need to stay away from each other to keep them established as singles guys. Â AS for who to put Orton with; I see tons of great matches. Huh? Outside of Benoit, I don't see a great match out of any of the possible opponents you listed.His series with Edge was blah, same with Jericho, same with HBK. Â Now onto the proposed 7 month reign that everyone's talking about. Simply put, I feel it's a bad idea. I don't think Randy's ready yet and before anyone brings up the IC Title reign, it's friggin' IC TITLE. You can get away with that since it's not the focus of the show, but not with the World Title. Now, before anyone brings up Benoit, he wasn't the focus of RAW during his current title run. Never has been and probably never will be. With Orton, to make a proposed 7 month title reign(and WM main event, no less) work, you can't have him NOT be the focus and since he's nothing more than your average cocky, bland midcard WWE heel, I wouldn't be shocked if the plug was pulled 2 to 3 months in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2004 AlwaysPissedOff, no..no..no... Â Orton WILL be the focus of the show because he is in Evolution with Triple H. You can bet Triple H's quest to regain HIS belt will be a major portion of the 7 month reign. I still think this will be a slow burn with Orton going face around either Survivor Series or Royal Rumble. Â Kid Kablam what you are saying was the point I was making. I think he will want to make his 10th world title win a historic one. The man knows how to book to make his status become legendary. The debate about Triple H turning face for his movie promotion is a good one, but I think the wwe will keep Triple H heel regardless. That is his appeal to the masses. He is hated, but he is also respected which is why he gets cheers. The fans might also know very well he is playing goody goody just because of the movie releasing. In other words it's like having the 1986 Ric Flair appear in a movie and turning him face just for the brief stint. The fans back then still saw him as the prick wrestler. Is his role a big part in the movie? How about the movie he was/is suppose to film? That wouldn't come out til next year. Â Anyways, could Orton be replacing the role of Brock Lesnar as it was rumoured that the main event of Mania 21 was going to be Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar. Now the wwe is attempting to re-create Orton as the youngest heavyweight champion ever and defend against Triple H. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlwaysPissedOff 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2004 Ummm... I didn't say Orton wouldn't be the focus of the show, Promoter, I just said you can't do the same thing with him like they have done with Benoit currently. Â And really though, HHH's quest to get HIS belt back is wearing rather thin now and the it's kinda obvious that even the casuals think so, as well. Â Also, looking all the way to Survivor Series is a bit reaching, isn't it? I'd be more worried about this proposed title reign tanking before then pending on how they handle it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2004 Turning Orton heel is completely typical of the WWE and unfortunately, that means I see it happening. As soon as a heel gets face pops Vince panics, turns them and looks to capitalise with all the merchandise he can. And usually, it results in the wrestler's act turning stale. Â Cena. Rock. Cheat 2 Win Eddie. Edge in 2001 to a certain extent. Austin after the InVasion. Â The way it's going, Batista will be next on the turn list. Which would probably be a worse idea than turning Orton face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlwaysPissedOff 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2004 Eddy's act was just fine til Kurt ended up crippled for a bit and Bradshaw was thrown into the main event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mountie 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2004 Slightly random thought but wouldn't it be cool if they brought in DDP for a night for Orton to give him the RKO? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
