I hate Toronto

[Guest Brian]

None of this surprises me. I've been saying this for years: WWE should stop going to Canada for storyline shows. They never go with the program.

 

Would you tape an episode of Cheers in front of a difficult studio audience?

Okay, this is one of the most fucked up things I've heard. So what if they react a little differently? They're also the most loyal and rabid fanbase out there. Canada was there for the bad times when people simply weren't coming out, and it's a terrirtory you can rely on. You reward places like that.

[Guest UncleJoeyMark]

Wooo there bub, now I know that sounds messed up and all, but to the crowds who react differently, I can only say this to you and them...

 

 

just Cut + it + OUUUuuUuT!

 

Now I have to tuck in the twins and Uncle Jesse

 

 

 

wait why is he not home yet?

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

I will follow this gimmick poster and make sure he is taken down.

[Guest UncleJoeyMark]

Gimmick? I know a Gibbler, but I'm not familiar with "gimmick".

 

So please, before you start throwing insults and threats, bucko...

 

take a SECOND, RELAX, AND

 

cut + it + out!

 

1 SECOND, GOT A PHONE CALL...It's That pesky beaver puppet again

[King Cucaracha 0]

Ugh, where nik when you need him?

 

Back on subject, it seemed like they were booing Bradshaw/Taker because they thought it was the 'cool, smark crowd, we're Toronto and NY sucks' type of thing to do at times and I agree that a bad crowd makes bad shows even worse. In the case of Eugene, instead of getting into the match the crowd kept taking the attention away towards themselves. I'm indifferent to Eugene, but I'd have preffered to actually watch the match and make my own conclusions, rather than having to listen to and watch the crowd.

 

And the biggest arguement is that if the crowd keep shitting over the wrestlers, pretty soon the wrestlers will half-ass every single match until people stop turning up. The sort of stuff coming from the Toronto crowd isn't going to make wrestlers put on a better effort. It's going to make wrestlers regret becoming wrestlers, just like Lesnar. This isn't ECW. "Boring" chants won't make workers 'step it up' because unlike ECW fans, it's hard to tell whever the Toronto fans would give a shit anyway.

 

HOWEVER...I agree with Banky Bitch, in that the fans paid their money and there's nothing to stop them doing what they want to enjoy themselves.

[Guest TigerDriver91]

And the biggest arguement is that if the crowd keep shitting over the wrestlers, pretty soon the wrestlers will half-ass every single match until people stop turning up. The sort of stuff coming from the Toronto crowd isn't going to make wrestlers put on a better effort. It's going to make wrestlers regret becoming wrestlers, just like Lesnar. This isn't ECW. "Boring" chants won't make workers 'step it up' because unlike ECW fans, it's hard to tell whever the Toronto fans would give a shit anyway.

Which is one of the reasons why my girl and I try our best to avoid being so disrespectful to the wrestlers. We might join a chant or two briefly, but tonight the crowd was really disgraceful imho. Have any of these fans tried to imagine what it would be like if it were them in the ring receiving such awful reactions?

[Guest UncleJoeyMark]

I knew a Nik in High School. He Was Danny's Boyfr...err...Lab Partner.

 

Anywho, will the fighting never cease?

 

Do I have to give Stephanie another time out?

 

CUT+ IT + OUT!

 

 

Jesse hasn't returned, I love that greasy haired Greek God

[Guest Olympic Slam]

None of this surprises me. I've been saying this for years:  WWE should stop going to Canada for storyline shows.  They never go with the program. 

 

Would you tape an episode of Cheers in front of a difficult studio audience?

Okay, this is one of the most fucked up things I've heard. So what if they react a little differently? They're also the most loyal and rabid fanbase out there. Canada was there for the bad times when people simply weren't coming out, and it's a terrirtory you can rely on. You reward places like that.

If storylines and characters are most important - If you're trying to advance storylines and mold certain characters in a certain way, why the hell would you go to a place that isn't going to go along with the story? Its counter-productive to the whole process of advancing your product. Canada nearly ruined WWE in 2002 with their sudden Hogan love. There are legends that the Smackdown match between he and Jericho (which did like an unheard of 2.8) sent the teenage demographic away from pro-wrestling for good.

 

If Ticket revenue matters most - Then you're right, you can throw this all out the window if Vince only cares about ticket revenue. My guess is they made more at SkyDome then they would have at any most any U.S arena. But, it comes at a price.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Canada nearly ruined WWE in 2002 with their sudden Hogan love.

That would have happened in any town, hate to tell you. Hogan's first singles match in the WWF in a decade? Even if they put him against Austin, it was bound to happen. Especially in the NWO gig, since that was really popular with the marks until Vince made it a humiliating stable with the world watching (which is rather important, since much of WCW's damage of the NWO's draw and aura was done when almost nobody was watching WCW.)

 

The No Way Out crowd was dead except for "Hey Yo" and Hogan holding the microphone before he even said anything. Even in Chicago they were pretty mixed until all the heat was murdered with that long-assed truck bit.

 

  There are legends that the Smackdown match between he and Jericho (which did like an unheard of 2.8) sent the teenage demographic away from pro-wrestling for good.

 

Probably more like him and Undertaker, which was so dumb that it actually beat the old early 90s Hogan/Undertaker feud for stupidity. I think the thought of Grandpa being hog-tied to a motorcycle and hauled off by a guy who looks like a retired Hell's Angels member caused many people to tune out until "later" and never return.

 

But it did give us the motorcycle stalling hilarity, and that's gotta be worth some sacrifice.

[Guest SetsunaMeioh]

It seems like the crowd was more apatheic than anything. They weren't cheering or booing most of the matches (With the exception of Benoit/Orton). They just sat on their hands. That has to be the worst.

 

And I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I felt bad for Taker and JBL. It was like their match wasn't even happening because the crowd was doing "The Wave".

 

Now I know there are those that'll say "Well, we bad our hard good money to go there, so we can do what we want." But if you're going to the show with a predetermined mindset of "This show is going to suck no matter what.", then What's the point of even going to the show!?!? Because you just wasted a lot of money on a show that you weren't going to enjoy in the first place.

 

They really ruined the atmosphere for me.

 

Toronto made MSG during Goldberg/Lesnar look classy, and that's saying a lot.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Yeah...the thing is JBL/Taker wasn't really that bad.

 

Seriously, I watched Summerslam back and the crowd were dead all night. The opening six man were decent but the crowd couldn't have given a shit. Same for Cena. Same for Kane/Hardy (save for the chokeslam). Hell, they sat on their hands for 90% of the Angle/Eddie match which I thought was a very enthralling match.

 

As much as the blame goes to the WWE for their product, the blame should go on most of the fans. Why pay $35, even months in advance, if the only entertainment you get out of the night is a wave.

 

EDIT: And please, nobody cal Toronto a 'smart' crowd when they chant 'You Screw Bret' at Hebner but earlier in the night cheer and 'WHOO' for Flair. Yeah, they sure care about Bret's name being tarnished.

[dubq 0]

I hate Toronto, and I will be surprised if they schedule a show there for quite some time...good luck with all that, and Well done, Toronto Wrestling Fans (really?)

Honestly. You're getting all uppity about this? A wrestling PPV. Who gives a flying fuck?

[dubq 0]

$200 says Scott Keith shits all over the crowd in his rant next month since he hates Toronto I think.

 

My hate for the crowd is no longer at level 5, but it still pisses me off I wasted $35 on a good wrestling show with an absolutely horrible crowd.

Newsflash, the crowd isn't there to give you your money's worth.

[Dark Age 0]

I enjoyed the crowd last night. They were very wacky. I like that.

[bob_barron 0]

If storylines and characters are most important - If you're trying to advance storylines and mold certain characters in a certain way, why the hell would you go to a place that isn't going to go along with the story? Its counter-productive to the whole process of advancing your product. Canada nearly ruined WWE in 2002 with their sudden Hogan love. There are legends that the Smackdown match between he and Jericho (which did like an unheard of 2.8) sent the teenage demographic away from pro-wrestling for good.

 

Hogan wasn't just getting cheered in Canada. Remember in Chicago he got insane face heat as well.

 

You're logic is some of the dumbest I've ever heard. Should WWE only go to cities that accepts the crap they put out? And Toronto usually does cheer and boo the faces and heels. It's just last night they decided to have some fun.

 

You know- since a lot of people go to wrestling shows for fun.

 

And how is the actions of the Toronto crowd on March 17th to blame for a WWE title match that occured in May? Hogan was getting face pops EVERYWHERE.

 

Canadians are still loving wrestling. They're still selling out arenas and merchandise.

 

If Ticket revenue matters most - Then you're right, you can throw this all out the window if Vince only cares about ticket revenue. My guess is they made more at SkyDome then they would have at any most any U.S arena. But, it comes at a price.

 

I don't think the world ended because people did the wave during a match.

[dubq 0]

My guess is they made more at SkyDome then they would have at any most any U.S arena. But, it comes at a price.

Air Canada Centre...

[Guest TigerDriver91]

$200 says Scott Keith shits all over the crowd in his rant next month since he hates Toronto I think.

 

My hate for the crowd is no longer at level 5, but it still pisses me off I wasted $35 on a good wrestling show with an absolutely horrible crowd.

Newsflash, the crowd isn't there to give you your money's worth.

If someone is going to a live WWE event more concerned about the crowd reactions than the action inside the ring then they shouldn't be there.

 

Oh and $200 says I don't give a flying fuck about Scott Keith's (or anyone else's) opinion of SummerSlam.

[dubq 0]

I don't think the world ended because people did the wave during a match.

Apparently it's fine during a baseball game.. but 'totally disrespectful' during a wrestling match.

[2GOLD 0]

People go to Summerslam for the same reason people go to Wrestlemania, because of the name. People would sell out Wrestlemania even if the main event was Kamala vs a Teddy Bear.

 

So what are the fans supposed to do? When they don't make a sound for wrestlers, THAT is disrespectful. Doing the wave during a match they don't care about is fine by me. Real disrespect would have been if they didn't make a sound the whole card.

 

So they booed Edge. Well they liked Jericho and hate the stale guy with a boring final move. Also, fans joining in the booing might have meant they turned on Edge for his work and because they want Jericho with the belt over him.

 

So they booed Eugene. He's a gimmick and some of the crowds in the US recently have been getting quiet to him.

 

They shouldn't be required to cheer for who the WWE wants and if they want to turn on a wrestler in the middle of a match, good. Especially if it's a stale character like Edge who needs a personality adjustment.

 

As for Hogan, ever think maybe they realized it could be his last Wrestlemania and they wanted to be respectful to him? It was Vince who made the decision to push Hogan, not a crowd that was thanking a wrestler for the enjoyment he gave some of them as kids. The real crowd that should have been ashamed was NYC for booing Brock just because he wanted to retire. Way to thank the guy for wanting to move on.

Plus the same could be said for Angle, no one knows how many matches he has left in him. The ultimate respect you can give a wrestler is cheering for them even if they are the heel. They like Angle and the only way to thank him is cheer for him over the guy they are supposed to be cheering for.

 

The crowd was fine, they were not having fun with a match so they made their own fun. Is that disrespectful to the wrestlers? Not as bad as utter silence would have been. Plus how do you expect them to voice their hatred of an angle and a match? If they boo, it seems like someone in the ring is getting heel heat.

 

What do you expect them to do?

[Guest TigerDriver91]

So what are the fans supposed to do? When they don't make a sound for wrestlers, THAT is disrespectful.

Like him as champ or not, but I felt kinda bad for JBL because he came out to the ring to dead silence from the crowd. It was awful.

[2GOLD 0]

So what are the fans supposed to do? When they don't make a sound for wrestlers, THAT is disrespectful.

Like him as champ or not, but I felt kinda bad for JBL because he came out to the ring to dead silence from the crowd. It was awful.

 

But they were never given a reason to care about him. I feel bad for him but it's the fault of the WWE, not the fans. They have no reason to cheer him and they have no reason to boo him other than he has the belt. And if they boo him because he has the belt, it comes off as heel heat. The fans are cornered on what they can do.

 

Not to mention, the WWE hasn't exactly worked hard to win Canada over by changing all the hometowns of Canadian born wrestlers to USA cities unless the wrestler is a heel.

 

The only people at fault in all of this is the WWE and the wrestlers pay for it. It's not exactly right but it's the only thing that can be done.

 

People are going to buy tickets to the big name shows, it's just selling on name value alone.

[Shanghai Kid 0]

I agree with whoever said that their was no way Eugene was going to get cheered either way. HHH represents the Austin/Rock/Foley 'cool' era of wrestling. He's the only consistent character in the modern era of wrestling. You can't just bring in a guy like Eugene and expect any fans to get so sympathetic towards a guy who from a character stand point, clearly shouldn't be wrestling anyways.

 

HHH is going to get facepops wherever he goes. Honestly, what face is there who is a strong enough character to turn an entire crowd against HHH, who is basically the main character in the WWE the last 2 years? Benoit is the only guy who can get the majority of the crowd to cheer against him, but everybody else is probably going to go half way towards HHH and half way towards the face or fully towards HHH. He is the cool heel who actually gets enough mic time to develop his character. He's the only wrestler who makes it seem like his entire life depends on him winning the title or being the best. It was setting Eugene up for failure by throwing him in there.

[notJames 0]

My pity is reserved for people who don't make tons of money every year and travel all over the world doing what they love. If the Toronto fans decided to shit on the PPV, that's their prerogative. It's not like they pelted the wrestlers with rotten tomatoes or threatened to blow up their cars. They were bored with the performances, and reacted accordingly.

 

And as it's been mentioned before, the PPV wasn't just one big boo-fest. The fans cheered when something entertained them. If the entertaining bits were overshadowed by the boring bits, so be it.

[jester 0]

HHH is going to get facepops wherever he goes.  Honestly, what face is there who is a strong enough character to turn an entire crowd against HHH, who is basically the main character in the WWE the last 2 years?  Benoit is the only guy who can get the majority of the crowd to cheer against him, but everybody else is probably going to go half way towards HHH and half way towards the face or fully towards HHH.  He is the cool heel who actually gets enough mic time to develop his character.    He's the only wrestler who makes it seem like his entire life depends on him winning the title or being the best.  It was setting Eugene up for failure by throwing him in there.

This occured to me the other day too. He is the strongest character in WWE. The most fleshed out. You always know what he's after. You may not be able to predict what he'll do, but you can guess his reaction when something happens. His actions have also been consistent and logical. Even during the Katie Vick shit, HHH's actions made relative sense.

 

This is why wins and losses don't hurt him. His character remains strong and thorough.

 

When was the last time a face did something really cool? Something that compares to beating someone bloody and coming to the arena with their blood on you?

 

This is why challengers look weak next to HHH.

 

Watch, it will happen to Orton next.

[Guest Seven Sins]

1. So we did the wave, big fucking deal.

2. Like someone said earlier, The crowd is not there to entertain you.

3. If you don't like watching wrestling events with Canadian crowds, then don't fucking watch the show.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Anybody in this thread bitching about the "disrespect" that the Canadian crowd can take a moment to realize and count the innumerable amount of times that Canada has been screwed in one fashion or another by WWE. They never treat us like Americans because they believe us to be lower then Americans. We know this. Last night we showed Vince that we know this.

[NYU 0]

Anybody in this thread bitching about the "disrespect" that the Canadian crowd can take a moment to realize and count the innumerable amount of times that Canada has been screwed in one fashion or another by WWE. They never treat us like Americans because they believe us to be lower then Americans. We know this. Last night we showed Vince that we know this.

Okay, it's really time to stop these asinine arguments.

 

I'm a little tired of reading of the claims from some that Canada took a stand last night. That they stood up to Vince McMahon, said they were tired of this shit, and that they weren't going to take it anymore! Tired of the storylines! Tired of the wrestlers! Tired of the WWE style! Tired of WWE's treatment towards Canada! Tired of it all!

 

Complete and utter bullshit.

 

There was no reason or logic behind Toronto's reaction last night. It's no coincidence that they cheered the heel in nearly every match. It's no coincidence that they booed the face in nearly every match - faces that every other arena across the world had no problem cheering. It's no coincidence that they chose to use ridiculous chants like "Spanish Table!" They hoped this would give them the satisfaction of being a rebel crowd. They hoped to be what New York City was at WrestleMania XX - a crowd that was ultimately saluted for their spontaneous, "smart" reactions to the Goldberg/Brock fiasco.

 

Instead, the people of Toronto wound up looking like a bunch of ungrateful, egotistical assholes.

 

There really is no defending it, except for the argument of "We paid for our tickets. We can do what we want. Nyah, nyah, nyah." And the immaturity of that attitude only makes Toronto look worse.

 

Please. Let's not try to come up with these inspirational, heroic reasons for Toronto's reactions. Simply because, we all know, this wasn't the basis for their attitude last night anyway.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Batista didn't get cheered.

 

The Dudleyz didn't get cheered.

 

Booker T didn't get cheered.

 

JBL didn't get cheered.

 

Well, there goes your "cheered a heel in nearly every match" argument.

[Guest TigerDriver91]

They hoped this would give them the satisfaction of being a rebel crowd. They hoped to be what New York City was at WrestleMania XX - a crowd that was ultimately saluted for their spontaneous, "smart" reactions to the Goldberg/Brock fiasco.

Yeah, the fucking smarks sure seemed to have a love affair with that crowd, didn't they?

 

Anyway, I think fighting in dead silence is far more disrespectful and rude than stupid chants, but bitch and whine all you wants, folks, it's the only reason this board even exists.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Anybody in this thread bitching about the "disrespect" that the Canadian crowd can take a moment to realize and count the innumerable amount of times that Canada has been screwed in one fashion or another by WWE. They never treat us like Americans because they believe us to be lower then Americans. We know this. Last night we showed Vince that we know this.

Wouldn't have not buying tickets be a better way to show that you're disgruntled?