This commentary thing has been bugging me

[Guest Dazed]

This is something I've sort of been noticing for a while, but only just really picked up on it consciously for a couple of months.

 

If Tazz, Cole, Lawler or JR say that a move, "means the end", or "it's all over now", or give any other indication that the match is finishing... it won't be.

 

It's particularly irritating during a whole bunch of near falls, or if someone's hit their finisher and I'm expecting the win.

 

Worst of all, I can't stop noticing it

 

Use this thread to talk about the commentators and stuff.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

Heyman > Tazz > Josh Matthews > Everyone.

[AndrewTS 0]

You act as if this is new...

 

circa 1995:

 

*Wrestler A does a transition move on Wrestler B that never beats anyone, A pins B*

 

Vince: ONE! TWO! HE GOT IM--NO HE DIDN'T!

 

[Guest Kageho]

The biggest problem with match calling is that you know for a fact that a regular move "won't" put it away and so the calling is blatantly a falsehood that is easily noticeable these days. If they want to use that type of play calling, they've got to change it so that regular moves once and awhile do make the regular pinfall, or give wrestlers more finishers to at least give the semblence that it can "end at any given point" because finisher 1 of 5 didn't put his opponent away. This way the play calling doesn't sound like crap when they make that call.

 

And I mean, actual finishers, because even signature moves these days can't get a freaking pinfall.

[Guest Dazed]

Oh yeah, I know that they'll do that off of a suplex or slam. It's just when there's a finisher attempt and "it's all over now, Tazz" that it gets maddening.

[Guest Jdogfour20]

Yes it does bug the shit out of me when the announcers do that, but they have been doing it for years and years so I just got used to it.

[Enigma 0]

You act as if this is new...

 

circa 1995:

 

*Wrestler A does a transition move on Wrestler B that never beats anyone, A pins B*

 

Vince: ONE! TWO! HE GOT IM--NO HE DIDN'T!

 

Haha! I always mock that whenever my friends and I get together to watch wrestling.

 

"ONE! TWO! HE GOT HIM! HE GOT---no, only 2."

[JoeDirt 0]

I was actually just going to post about this. I HAAAAAAAAAAAAATE it because all the GOOD near falls are ruined by it. They did it at Summerslam. As soon as Rey hits the 619, Cole says something like "they're going to do it! They're going to beat the Dudleys!" Then I immediately knew the Dudleys were winning. He also said it's over after Angle hit his second Angle Slam and after Eddie hit the frog splash, and both were then kicked out of, no surprise.

 

Cole is the worst offender, but JR does it a lot too. I think they REALLY need to say "it's all over, this is history" once in a while when it really IS the end.

[OldSchoolWrestling 0]

Its kayfabe announcing. They have to aim for the marks. Although I'm sure even the marks can tell when its a the end or not. Although if you wanted accuracy then the only time they can really call the finish is when someone comes out to distract one of the wrestlers. Then you really know its over.

[JoeDirt 0]

You act as if this is new...

 

circa 1995:

 

*Wrestler A does a transition move on Wrestler B that never beats anyone, A pins B*

 

Vince:  ONE!  TWO!  HE GOT IM--NO HE DIDN'T!

 

Haha! I always mock that whenever my friends and I get together to watch wrestling.

 

"ONE! TWO! HE GOT HIM! HE GOT---no, only 2."

My favorite is Wrestlemania 13, when Vince gets SO ahead of himself in the four corners tag team match. It's down to the Godwins and Headbangers, and one of the Godwins puts a Headbanger in position for his Slop Drop reverse DDT and before he even HITS the move Vince says:

 

"It's over folks! This will be it and the Godwins will move on to challenge the tag team champions tomorrow night on RAW - oh no, wait a minute!"

[Guest Fook]

I've noticed this too, but it doesn't bother me very much as I'm usually into the matches where JR and King do this (I don't watch SD anymore).

 

What does bother me is when they try to force a certain opinion down our throats about the matches themselves, ie. when they refer to the ppv ones as all time classics the next night on raw. It's happened for both the HHH/HBK HIAC at Bad Blood and the Orton/Benoit title match at SS. I know they're supposed to promote their own product, but doing it this way just turns me off.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

This is the good thing about the SWF. We get to write our own announcers...

 

 

 

Then again, our announcers are a Superhero and a closet homosexual...

[Guest Kageho]

Oh yeah, I know that they'll do that off of a suplex or slam. It's just when there's a finisher attempt and "it's all over now, Tazz" that it gets maddening.

Oh, I agree.

 

The only time that this phrase should ever be heard in wrestling is if a guy has a wrestling finisher that either a) never gets kicked out of, or b) you don't escape from, or c) the match has been apparently built to its climax but it doesn't.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Cole is definetly public enemy #1 when it comes to this shit. I knew the second I was watching Angle/Benoit at Royal Rumble 2003 that Angle would be going over because at the start of the match Cole says "Chris Benoit has Kurt Angle's number". He also needs to cut out the following.........

 

- Using the phrase "vintage" about 2000 times in the same match to describe any and every move a wrestler does.

 

- Saying "And (random heel) is gonna steal the damn match!"

 

- "And it's all over!"

[MillenniumMan831 0]

That's why I also loved Gorilla Monsoon. Much of the time when he siad it was all over . . . it was all over . . . but not ALL of the time.

[Dark Age 0]

Not only that, Cole has to just stop pretending he said stuff that he didn't. At SummerSlam:

"I call Spike Dudley the general"

No you don't. You've never called him that! Honestly.

[haws bah gawd 0]

I didn't think this deserved its own topic, so I figured I would post here. My main beef with the commentators at the moment isn't with the calling of false finishes, but with their knowledge of moves. If you pay attention to JR and King on RAW, every move a wrestler does is a "high impact maneuver", or an "innovative move". In TNA, no matter what messed up move the wrestlers do, Mike Tenay knows the name of it, where it originated, who invented it, and what part of the body it focuses on (though that last part isnt really important, but it adds to the commentary). They rarely even call the names of the finishers any more. Edge's Edgecution is a "high impact ddt", Jericho's Lionsault is more often than not, called a "springboard moonsault", etc. It seems only Triple H and Randy Orton constantly have their finishers called by their proper names (though its mostly due to the WWE not giving many finisher's unique names anymore). Thats the main thing that irritates the crap out of me about the commentary. However, to stay on topic, constantly saying "its over", or "thats got to be all", is getting a little old and predictable.

[Guest Staravenger]

In a bit of irony, when Jim Ross is really passionate, he goes "kick out!" kick out!" which means "Odds of him kicking out are the odds of Paul London given the World Title tomorrow night"

[landy1987 0]

Cole is the worst offender, but JR does it a lot too. I think they REALLY need to say "it's all over, this is history" once in a while when it really IS the end.

Gorilla was the best at this:

 

"Stick the fork in (insert name here), he's done", but then again this was mostly in the squash matches, which are rarely seen now

[Adam 0]

I totally agree Haws, would it kill JR and King to research further than Evolution for christs sake?

[Dark Age 0]

I watched an Angle match recently, in which he delivered a back suplex. Cole called it a gutwrench suplex. I felt bad for him.

[Guest Staravenger]

I was watching the Benoit DVD and during Benoit/Booker, Schiavone called a Spine-Buster a Sidewalk Slam.

[haws bah gawd 0]

During Mordecai's debut match against Scotty Too Hotty at Judgement Day, Scotty was drapped on the middle rope, Mordecai kicked the shit out of the side of his head, and Tazz yelled "hard knee shot by Mordecai". I know thats being really nitpicky, but cmon, HARD......KNEE........SHOT?

[J. Hungerford Smith 0]

I agree with the basis of this thread but these last few posts...a commentator is gonna stumble over his words every so often or he might mix up a few terms, it happens to the best of them.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I was watching the Benoit DVD and during Benoit/Booker, Schiavone called a Spine-Buster a Sidewalk Slam.

It's Tony Schiavone, he called the Greensboro Coliseum a sidewalk slam, for fuck's sake

[King Cucaracha 0]

I was watching the Benoit DVD and during Benoit/Booker, Schiavone called a Spine-Buster a Sidewalk Slam.

Wasn't Booker's Spinebuster actually called the Sidewalk Slam? I noticed that but I seem to remember Schiavone calling it that all the time, so figured it was given a seperate name because it was different to the Anderson Spinebuster.

[Guest Trivia247]

Its not a new concept remember the mid 90's

 

McMahon: 1.....2......Thr...no

 

whenever a signature move is hit or a finisher early in a match all commntators from Gorilla Monsoon to Jerry Lawler seem to think its the end.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I admit all the things above definately piss me off. But there is a worse monster out there...and most announcers are under it's spell.....it's the

 

ICANTCALLAMOVERIGHTIFMYLIFEDEPENDEDONIT Monster

 

They constantly miss call moves and it has to be the most fucking annoying thing EVER. I mean, they aren't announcing puro stuff(there are puro moves with the craziest names and I have found them the most complicated to call).....they are basically calling the "WWE Style" so when I hear Jim Ross or Michael Cole call moves and they are WAAAAAY of.....it pisses me off to no end.

[Downhome 0]

Yeah, this isn't new or anything recent. As far back as I can remember it's been going on. It even sounds like it goes on in Puroresu from the sound in their voice.

 

It's just one of those things you overlook.

 

Would you rather a big move happen in the ring, but if it's at a point in the match where everyone and their grandmother KNOWS that the end isn't going to come, the commentators act like a smark and just say that this isn't the end since it's planned out?

 

I don't think so.

 

As far as calling the moves wrong from time to time, you just have to overlook that also. If I was calling a match I'd do it from time to time, if you did it then it would happen to you also, no way around it. I don't know of a single guy that it's never happened to. Then again, it's pretty easy to tell the difference between somone making a mistake, and a fucking moron.

[evilhomer 0]

My favorite is Wrestlemania 13, when Vince gets SO ahead of himself in the four corners tag team match. It's down to the Godwins and Headbangers, and one of the Godwins puts a Headbanger in position for his Slop Drop reverse DDT and before he even HITS the move Vince says:

 

"It's over folks! This will be it and the Godwins will move on to challenge the tag team champions tomorrow night on RAW - oh no, wait a minute!"

That doesn't bother me as much. It's sort of like Eric Gagne walking out of the bullpen in the ninth with a three run lead. Technically it's not over until the three outs are recorded but it's a pretty safe bet. I can buy the commentator selling a finish on the setup for the finisher more than on a transistion move or on an obvious false finish.

 

I've never really noticed this before, but now that it's brought up I do realize that I'm constantly shouting "just shut the fuck up" at Cole on this kind of thing. Now it's really going to bug the hell out of me.