Blatant Stealing from the WWE Folder

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm surprised nobody did this here --- but I think this is damned nifty in the WWE folder.

 

Yes, it's Make a statement or a rebuttal.

 

Keep it on track, people. Make a statement or rebut a statement. And let's avoid mass rebuttals.

 

Statement: TNA is in on the verge of going under.

 

They're stopping weekly PPV's --- but seem ready to just mail in their shows until the rumored 3-hour PPV. TNA is in no position to be mailing in shows at this point. They also don't seem to have storylines that are even mildly compelling (Watts v Goldilocks AGAIN?). This could be, rather than a restructuring of the company, the demise of the company.

-=Mike

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I'm surprised nobody did this here --- but I think this is damned nifty in the WWE folder.

 

Yes, it's Make a statement or a rebuttal.

 

Keep it on track, people. Make a statement or rebut a statement. And let's avoid mass rebuttals.

 

Statement: TNA is in on the verge of going under.

 

They're stopping weekly PPV's --- but seem ready to just mail in their shows until the rumored 3-hour PPV. TNA is in no position to be mailing in shows at this point. They also don't seem to have storylines that are even mildly compelling (Watts v Goldilocks AGAIN?). This could be, rather than a restructuring of the company, the demise of the company.

-=Mike

Good idea for this Mike.

 

Rebuttal: I dislike the product at the moment as much as you do Mike. But in all honesty you are just speculating that they are on the verge of going under. They won't go under unless Panda pulls their money.

 

Statement: TNA needs a total overhaul in the creative department.

[Guest MikeSC]

Statement: TNA needs a total overhaul in the creative department.

Rebuttal. They absolutely do. However, JJ being the head booker makes it impossible.

 

Statement: The X Division has become stale and is little more than mediocre spotfests.

-=Mike

[Robert 0]

Rebuttal: True. They need storylines to make the division look good. All it is spotfests and that's it. They need a true feud to put it on the map.

 

Statement: Putting the title belt on Jeff Hardy will kill off all hope that TNA will improve.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

Rebuttal: True. They need storylines to make the division look good. All it is spotfests and that's it. They need a true feud to put it on the map.

 

Statement: Putting the title belt on Jeff Hardy will kill off all hope that TNA will improve.

Rebuttal: Not quite. Putting the title on Jeff Hardy, giving him a long run or on the opposite side of the spectrum an incredibly short one, and having him drop it to Jarrett or Monty Brown will kill off all hope that TNA will improve.

 

Statement: Michael Shane has no place as one of the biggest names in the X-Division when he absolutely cannot work the style.

[Guest Staravenger]

Statement: Devote AT LEAST 45 minutes of the show to the X-Division. The roster is too weak to have 1 hr. 40 minutes of "Heavyweights" and give barely 15 minutes to a division with like 15 men.

 

Rebuttal on TNA going under: Not gonna happen any time soon. As long as they have financial backing, TNA will be around until they either start making money, or lose too much money that no one wants to deal with them.

 

Predicted Going Under: Summer of 2006.

[Guest MikeSC]

Statement: Devote AT LEAST 45 minutes of the show to the X-Division. The roster is too weak to have 1 hr. 40 minutes of "Heavyweights" and give barely 15 minutes to a division with like 15 men.

 

Rebuttal on TNA going under: Not gonna happen any time soon. As long as they have financial backing, TNA will be around until they either start making money, or lose too much money that no one wants to deal with them.

 

Predicted Going Under: Summer of 2006.

Rebuttal: X Division, as it presently stands, can't carry 45 minutes of a show.

 

Statement: Monty Brown, honestly, is just a hoss. He's no better than Tyson Tomko.

-=Mike

[JoeDirt 0]

Rebuttal: Can Tomko cut a promo like Brown can? Besides, TNA is building up Brown properly, like a monster, whereas Tomko is doing nothing for the WWE. As a former football player, Brown can get them some main stream attention on shows like Cold Pizza and the Best Damn Sports Show. He's not super talented in the ring, but he has a lot more going for him than Tyson Tomko.

 

Rebuttal on Michael Shane: He's not a great flashy worker, but he's solid and plays a decent heel. I don't see why there's not room for him, as long as he's not pushed down our throats.

 

Statement: One of TNA's first few montly PPV's should be the second X-Cup.

[Guest MikeSC]

Rebuttal: Can Tomko cut a promo like Brown can? Besides, TNA is building up Brown properly, like a monster, whereas Tomko is doing nothing for the WWE. As a former football player, Brown can get them some main stream attention on shows like Cold Pizza and the Best Damn Sports Show. He's not super talented in the ring, but he has a lot more going for him than Tyson Tomko.

 

Rebuttal on Michael Shane: He's not a great flashy worker, but he's solid and plays a decent heel. I don't see why there's not room for him, as long as he's not pushed down our throats.

 

Statement: One of TNA's first few montly PPV's should be the second X-Cup.

Rebuttal: TNA killed off the entire X-Cup tournament (thanks to the World X Cup shows). It must die for at least a year.

 

Statement: Ultimate X is the worst new gimmick match from the past 5 years.

-=Mike

[Guest Staravenger]

Rebuttal on Michael Shane: He's not a great flashy worker, but he's solid and plays a decent heel. I don't see why there's not room for him, as long as he's not pushed down our throats.

Rebuttal: He doesn't work the X-Style. Even Pierre Oulette would do high risk bumping. Shane works too much of a mat-based style, and hardly ever does anything spectacular off the top rope, if he even goes there.

 

Michael Shane the worker is fine, but he doesn't fit the in the X-Division.

[Steviekick 0]

Michael Shane the worker is fine, but he doesn't fit the in the X-Division.

Rebuttal: Shane can use his strengths very well in the X Div. He can keep the same moveset, just make out his finisher to be much more devastating (whether it be other workers selling it better or commentaters talking it up more).

 

Statement: Jeff Hardy does not deserve to be a quasi-ME'r.

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Statement: Monty Brown, honestly, is just a hoss. He's no better than Tyson Tomko.

-=Mike

Monty has a great personality but lacks in the ring as he is just the average hoss.

 

Statement: Monty Brown needs to find a tag team partner that can compliment him in the ring.

 

If he can pattern his style after anybody it should be the Dudley Boys. D-Von has a similiar explosive personality and went nowhere as a solo wrestler but together with Bubba he has become an icon as tag team champion. Monty Brown needs to find that perfect tag team partner. What if he joined the New Church with the Sinister Minister?

 

Testify the power of the Pounce!

[Guest ally mccoist]

Statement:  Jeff Hardy does not deserve to be a quasi-ME'r.

Rebuttal: For a guy who put his body on the line for the fans so much in WWE and received fuck all from it, I'd say Hardy deserves a shot at the top. He deserved it in WWE when he still gave a fuck, i'd say he still deserves it now even if his ringwork has detoriated. All he got in WWE was a token one week IC run. He deserved more than that for what he did for the company. If Bob Holly got a ppv semi main event for being a "company guy" or whatever, Hardy deserved the same.

[Guest MikeSC]

Statement:  Jeff Hardy does not deserve to be a quasi-ME'r.

Rebuttal: For a guy who put his body on the line for the fans so much in WWE and received fuck all from it, I'd say Hardy deserves a shot at the top. He deserved it in WWE when he still gave a fuck, i'd say he still deserves it now even if his ringwork has detoriated. All he got in WWE was a token one week IC run. He deserved more than that for what he did for the company. If Bob Holly got a ppv semi main event for being a "company guy" or whatever, Hardy deserved the same.

WWE would've given Hardy the world if he got clean. He refused and they had to cut him loose. They would've paid for his rehab, to boot.

 

Statement: Vince Russo is borderline inept at writing.

-=Mike

[Steviekick 0]

Statement: Vince Russo is borderline inept at writing.

Rebuttal: Not really. During the WWF "Attitude" period, ratings were at their highest and he was heading up the TV writing. Luckily he had a very charismatic group of wrestlers (Austin, Rock, Foley) to work with. His writing while at WCW was pretty much the same, but an unwilling group of wrestlets to work with.

 

Statement: Russo is much better running TNA from a creative standpoint than Mantell.

[Guest MikeSC]

Statement: Vince Russo is borderline inept at writing.

Rebuttal: Not really. During the WWF "Attitude" period, ratings were at their highest and he was heading up the TV writing. Luckily he had a very charismatic group of wrestlers (Austin, Rock, Foley) to work with. His writing while at WCW was pretty much the same, but an unwilling group of wrestlets to work with.

 

Statement: Russo is much better running TNA from a creative standpoint than Mantell.

Rebuttal: WWE in 1999 was, writing-wise, horrific. Storylines made no sense.

 

Shall I even mention The Higher Power?

 

Rebuttal #2: JJ is more of the problem than Mantel.

-=Mike

[Guest ally mccoist]

Statement: Vince Russo is borderline inept at writing.

Rebuttal: Inept is probably too harsh a word. If you credit Russo for the Austin/McMahon story, then I wouldn't call him inept. With the Higher Power story I don't think it really mattered that it didn't make sense by the end. I doubt anyone switched off because it was getting confusing, it was just a bit stupid thats all. I'd say Russo has done good and bad in terms of writing, so its hard to call him bad at it, but he's by no means perfect.

 

Statement: Simon Diamond will never recover from being Pat Kenney.

[Steviekick 0]

Statement: Simon Diamond will never recover from being Pat Kenney.

Al Snow was able to recover from being Leif Cassdy. Simon is a talented enough worker/promo guy. All he needs to do is get a better gimmick.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Rebuttal for Simon:

Correct. His work has deteriorated from upper-midcard quality in ECW to jobber-level in TNA, and this "Irish" Pat Kenney gimmick has killed all chances of him getting over. They very easily could have pushed him as an Irishman but have kept the Simon Diamond name, and kept the Simon Diamond persona, but no: TNA is too stupid.

 

Statement:

TNA needs somebody in the music department that knows how to write a fucking song. Every single entrance theme (besides those of AJ Styles, Raven, and Jeff Jarrett) are the most generic themes imaginable.

[Guest Staravenger]

Rebuttal: Theme music isn't the most important thing. Besides, how many WWF themes sucked in the 1992-1996 time frame? Most of them I would say, but that didn't matter when it came to the actual wrestling.

 

I will admit though TNA needs to stop recycling themes for like 6 different people. I swear Kid Kash, Jerry Lynn, and Paul London each shared the shame theme song, but not at the same time of course.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Rebuttal:

It's not THE most important, but since the addition of theme music, it has been AN imporant aspect. How many wrestlers have been identified by their themes? Degeneration X would not have been the same if they came out to some generic rock riffs. Steve Austin would not be the same if he came out to "What A Wonderful World" by Louis Armstrong. Theme music is an integral part to a wrestler's character, as it reflects their personality. Using generic themes for the wrestlers of TNA means that TNA considers their talent generic.

[Guest Staravenger]

TNA doesn't do too good of a job to begin with by creating characters that stand out. If they can fix that problem first (ha!) then they should tackle creating theme songs that help distinguish wrestlers from each other.

[JoeDirt 0]

Statement: Sonjay Dutt, after his upset win a few weeks back, should be pushed over Sabu in the feud with Raven.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Rebuttal:

No way, no how. Sabu and Raven have the ECW-style feud to work with. They're both over with whatever crowd they work in front of. Sonjay isn't. Having Sonjay take Sabu's place a week ago and win over Raven was a dumb move anyway, as it took a TNA jobber (Sonjay) and put him over one of the top stars on the roster (Raven) cleanly. Bullshit.

[Guest Donners]

Rebuttal: Use of a fireball is not exactly clean, it managed to continue the feud even with Sabu out, it meant that an advertised match wasn't totally lost, made Dutt a look a lot stronger that he has recently without seriously denting Raven's credibility and it got a strong response from the crowd.

[Robert 0]

Statement: TNA's PPV is pretty much there last stand. They can either shine or bomb. Will people buy a show that is headlined by a former WWE star who became drugged up and sucks vs a guy who is the champ only because he's the bosses son?

[JoeDirt 0]

Statement: TNA's PPV is pretty much there last stand. They can either shine or bomb. Will people buy a show that is headlined by a former WWE star who became drugged up and sucks vs a guy who is the champ only because he's the bosses son?

Rebuttal: This match is 9/8, and I don't think TNA's make or break day is 9/8. I want to see how they do on monthly PPV's first. But I agree with you...TNA is nearing it's last stand.

 

Statement: TNA officials are right when they say that having squash matches on Impact is the best way to get talent over. (I'm sure I'll get a response here!)

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Rebuttal:

Squash matches only work at getting talent over to a certain extent. Once said talent is forced to work against talent as over, or more so, than he is? The squash matches do nothing but hurt both workers involved, as the squasher is exposed as just a talentless hoss, and the squashee is booked as a complete loser despite past win/loss records.

 

Statement:

If TNA is to succeed with monthly PPVs, Impact will need another hour, a better timeslot, and more attention must be drawn to the characters of the wrestlers.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

Statement: Ultimate X is the worst new gimmick match from the past 5 years.

 

Rebuttal: Viagra on a Pole, or if that isn't original enough, the Dupp Cup says hi.

 

Rebuttal on Shane: I'm not saying he doesn't have a place in TNA, just not in the X-Division. He and Kazarian would be decent in the tag division.

 

Statement: There is not a single redeeming value in the Dusty/Russo feud.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Rebuttal:

A-fucking-greed.