Petey Williams' Canadian Destroyer

[starvenger 0]

Anyone know where I can find an animated gif of this? I've got a friend who doesn't get FSN, and has a hard time visualizing moves, so figuring that picture = 1000 words, and ani gif might be the best way to go...

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

 

Sorry the image hosting site sucks. Someone had it as their avatar recently. Maybe you could find it.

[Mole 0]

The first time I saw that move, I had to watch it a few more times. It is one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

 

I am surprised that no one else has used it though, especially in the WWE.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

The first time I saw that move, I had to watch it a few more times. It is one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

 

I am surprised that no one else has used it though, especially in the WWE.

Probably because you don't have too many guys in WWE being able to flip over/flip backwards into a piledriver.

[razazteca 0]

If anybody did it on Smackdown then they would get more of a crowd reaction than the current champion. WWE Rule #1 says that no cruiserweight shall ever get more heat than the hoss champ.....so it will never ever be seen on WWE tv.

 

Jamie Noble or Paul London could rename it the Trailer Park Destroyer.

[starvenger 0]

The first time I saw that move, I had to watch it a few more times. It is one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

 

I am surprised that no one else has used it though, especially in the WWE.

Probably because you don't have too many guys in WWE being able to flip over/flip backwards into a piledriver.

Have Eddie change his MDK powerbomb into a piledriver and there you go. But since the piledriver is more or less verboten in the WWE, it's a moot point...

[Guest Staravenger]

I personally think the move is WAY out of the realm of reality. It has a "ouch" effect to it, but when you think about it, how is it possible to do?

[LucharesuFan619 0]

Not sure if this works, but there's a clip of it in this MV: http://koti.mbnet.fi/zenbam/IWA_6-way.wmv

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I personally think the move is WAY out of the realm of reality. It has a "ouch" effect to it, but when you think about it, how is it possible to do?

Exactly, which is why I find the move to be ridiculous... it defies wrestling physics and logic. It also exposes the business in a way that the fans sees the opponent actually cooperate with Williams in doing the move.

[{''({o..o})''} 0]

Yeah, that must be why everybody hates it.

[starvenger 0]

I personally think the move is WAY out of the realm of reality. It has a "ouch" effect to it, but when you think about it, how is it possible to do?

I've made note of that before, but all the same, the move looks swank.

 

it defies wrestling physics and logic.

Wrestling physics means that if you can buy that being whipped into the ropes will send you running back across the ring, and that the Steiner Recliner is a devastating submission hold, if you believe that a Styles Clash would hurt, then you can buy into the "realness" of the Canadian Destroyer.

 

I understand what you're saying though - in our minds there is absolutely no way the opponent doesn't help out with that move, if only to protect themselves from serious injury. But it doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the move...

[Exslade ZX 0]

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[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Yeah, that must be why everybody hates it.

I didn't say everyone hated it.

 

Even I don't hate it. I just can't get behind it as a legitimate move. That's all.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Wrestling physics means that if you can buy that being whipped into the ropes will send you running back across the ring, and that the Steiner Recliner is a devastating submission hold, if you believe that a Styles Clash would hurt, then you can buy into the "realness" of the Canadian Destroyer.

 

I understand what you're saying though - in our minds there is absolutely no way the opponent doesn't help out with that move, if only to protect themselves from serious injury. But it doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the move...

I don't buy the recliner as a legitimate submission. Why can't the guy just wriggle out of the move?

 

Styles Clash on the other hand (I witnessed it firsthand, Billy Gunn version nonetheless), and the move doesn't really offer assistance by the opponent other than falling down to get in position. And the opponent doesn't flip down along with AJ. He just guides them down. The Destroyer REQUIRES help from the opponent in pulling it off. It's the same as the Acid Drop, people help guide Spike Dudley across the turnbuckle and down.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Styles Clash WOULD hurt. You're being smashed stomach and chest-first into the floor. Knock the wind right out of you.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Styles Clash WOULD hurt. You're being smashed stomach and chest-first into the floor. Knock the wind right out of you.

Unless if it's the top rope verison, I don't see it being that impactful

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Okay. Do a headstand. Fall backwards and don't break your fall with your knees or your hands.

 

Or, better yet, stand up straight and fall forwards without using your hands to break the fall.

 

Same effect either way.

[starvenger 0]

 

 

Wrestling physics means that if you can buy that being whipped into the ropes will send you running back across the ring, and that the Steiner Recliner is a devastating submission hold, if you believe that a Styles Clash would hurt, then you can buy into the "realness" of the Canadian Destroyer. 

 

I understand what you're saying though - in our minds there is absolutely no way the opponent doesn't help out with that move, if only to protect themselves from serious injury.  But it doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the move...

I don't buy the recliner as a legitimate submission. Why can't the guy just wriggle out of the move?

 

Styles Clash on the other hand (I witnessed it firsthand, Billy Gunn version nonetheless), and the move doesn't really offer assistance by the opponent other than falling down to get in position. And the opponent doesn't flip down along with AJ. He just guides them down. The Destroyer REQUIRES help from the opponent in pulling it off. It's the same as the Acid Drop, people help guide Spike Dudley across the turnbuckle and down.

The point I was trying to make is that we know that the wrestlers aren't trying to hurt each other, yet we disregard that and treat it like a legitimate competiton. So really, it shouldn't matter whether it takes both people to make a move look good, as long as the performance is good, y'know?

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

But it does ruin our enjoyment of the product when something is THAT outlandish. This is a different beast than Amazing Red's Code Red, as that has some sort of validity to it (if somebody were to flip over you, hooking your arms with their legs, you'd fall backwards), albeit not much. If Petey were to go for a Victory Roll, where he sits on his opponent's shoulders, and then twist around and hit a piledriver out of it? I'd dig it. It would make some sort of sense. As it is? No.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a very great looking move. It's just that it exposes the business too much for me to really enjoy it.

[Guest MikeSC]

The point I was trying to make is that we know that the wrestlers aren't trying to hurt each other, yet we disregard that and treat it like a legitimate competiton. So really, it shouldn't matter whether it takes both people to make a move look good, as long as the performance is good, y'know?

The goal is to allow for the suspension of disbelief. That spot just kills it dead.

-=Mike

[Guest Evolution]

The way I see the Canadian Destroyer is that in another thread in the Misc. Promotions folder noted, it should probably be a rare move that is built up. And the reason that it should be a rare move is so that Petey can use a regular piledriver or some other kind of move that requires a standing headscissors to start. Now, let's say that the opponent blocks Petey's attempt at his powerbomb or piledriver and tries for a back body drop. Petey doesn't let go of his opponent, however, and BAM, flips him around into the Canadian Destroyer.

 

Once you establish the Destroyer as the counter to a back body drop out of his powerbomb/piledriver/whatever finisher, however, your opponents will need to find new ways to get out of the standing headscissors position.

 

It's not foolproof, but it's something.

[natey2k4 0]

It's just that it exposes the business too much for me to really enjoy it.

 

Then just don't watch wrestling?

 

The first time I ever seen this move I was in AWW.. its incredible IMO. Sure it needs helps, but alot of moves today need help. It's a great finisher, and something that may even get a pop from a casual fan.

[Guest El Satanico]

Why do we need to believe the sport is legit when we all know it's ballet? Do we all really want to see nothing but hoss style wrestling, since that is the most realistic wrestling approach.

[Jack_Bauer 0]

I like the Canadian Destroyer. So I like big moves that look good. Big deal. At the end of the day, I don't like EVERY match to be realistic. Sometimes I like a bit of dumb spot stuff.

[King Cucaracha 0]

If used as a counter to a backbody drop or something like that, I might be able to buy it.

 

Until then, it's kinda like a ROH Scramble Match...cool at first, but when you think about it it's horribly unrealistic (a group of people happening to stagger into plancha position 10 times, consecutively is, IMO, worse than the Destroyer, but there ya go.) Don't get me wrong, it's a cool move. And the importance of indy wrestlers creating new, crowd popping moves means this certainly won't be the worst come this time next year. But, yeah, it's a little TOO fake to take seriously outside of X Division spotfests.

[starvenger 0]

If used as a counter to a backbody drop or something like that, I might be able to buy it.

The faster it's done, the more fake it looks, but I suppose that it's also safer.

 

But, yeah, it's a little TOO fake to take seriously outside of X Division spotfests.

I do agree with that. But Styles adjusted his moveset to account for bigger opponents, so I'm sure that if Williams moves up, he would as well.

[Twisted Intestine 0]

I know this doesn't really belong in this folder, but since we're talking about opponents helping someone with their move...

 

THE SCISSORS KICK!

 

What the hell is that? All wrestlers obviously know that Booker T's finisher is the scissors kick.. so what do they do? Stand in position for it while Booker runs off the ropes and hits it... meanwhile in a match against anyone else, they never stand in that position when hurt/tired.

 

619!

 

Same thing.. I know Rey "Positions" them on the rope.. but how hard is it to fall backwards, thus preventing the move?

 

Those moves seem way more phony than the Canadian Destroyer.

[Guest Corino 1000]

I know this doesn't really belong in this folder, but since we're talking about opponents helping someone with their move...

 

THE SCISSORS KICK!

 

What the hell is that? All wrestlers obviously know that Booker T's finisher is the scissors kick.. so what do they do? Stand in position for it while Booker runs off the ropes and hits it... meanwhile in a match against anyone else, they never stand in that position when hurt/tired.

 

619!

 

Same thing.. I know Rey "Positions" them on the rope.. but how hard is it to fall backwards, thus preventing the move?

 

Those moves seem way more phony than the Canadian Destroyer.

Wresling is fake! anyways sometimes your hurt were you can't move. Just so you know the same can be said anymove. Unprettier, Styles Clash almost anything. On the Styles Clash why would you let him put his legs on front of your hands....just hold to his leg! Anyway pure realism takes fun out of wrestling.

[Guest Corino 1000]

The first time I saw that move, I had to watch it a few more times. It is one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

 

I am surprised that no one else has used it though, especially in the WWE.

..............Quiet Storm has been using for a while.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

I thought Quiet Storm just has the Storm Cradle Driver?