Steviekick 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2004 Who cares about protecting Kane? He's not going to draw anything. Orton is the guy they want/expect to do business, and yet he gets booked to look like a pussy. Rock or Austin would have never run like that, and they would have had no problem beating Kane one on one in a Cage Match. Its frustrating to watch them screw up another guy who had potential to do somehting. It's called being smart, fella. Best thing to do when 4 guys are after you in a cage is run and live to fight another day. It actually makes more sense. They also ended Raw with HHH being irate in the cage, showing that Orton has totally screwed with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exslade ZX 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2004 Who cares about protecting Kane? He's not going to draw anything. Orton is the guy they want/expect to do business, and yet he gets booked to look like a pussy. Rock or Austin would have never run like that, and they would have had no problem beating Kane one on one in a Cage Match. Its frustrating to watch them screw up another guy who had potential to do somehting. But come on...you're comparing him to Rock and Austin. Even from an elementary point of view, Rock and Austin are both bigger/stronger then Orton. They would have a much better shot at winning a physical contest with the likes of Kane. Or three other guys their size. Plus Orton has been billed from the beginning as the 'kid' of the WWE...so for him to easily hang with the 'big boys' would make no sense. And yes, he did win the title. But Benoit isn't exactly what you would call...an incredible feat, in WWE World. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2004 Who cares about protecting Kane? He's not going to draw anything. Orton is the guy they want/expect to do business, and yet he gets booked to look like a pussy. Rock or Austin would have never run like that, and they would have had no problem beating Kane one on one in a Cage Match. Its frustrating to watch them screw up another guy who had potential to do somehting. It's called being smart, fella. Best thing to do when 4 guys are after you in a cage is run and live to fight another day. It actually makes more sense. They also ended Raw with HHH being irate in the cage, showing that Orton has totally screwed with him. Triple H gets irate over anything these days Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tjhe CyNick Report post Posted September 7, 2004 Who cares about protecting Kane? He's not going to draw anything. Orton is the guy they want/expect to do business, and yet he gets booked to look like a pussy. Rock or Austin would have never run like that, and they would have had no problem beating Kane one on one in a Cage Match. Its frustrating to watch them screw up another guy who had potential to do somehting. It's called being smart, fella. Best thing to do when 4 guys are after you in a cage is run and live to fight another day. It actually makes more sense. Nobody is talking about "what makes sense". What "sense" does it make to run back after you get thrown into the ropes? This is wrestling, you have to suspend disbelief for most of the stuff that goes on. If you look at the past the babyfaces that really draw and get over are the ones who are portrayed to be superhero like ass kickers. Nobody wants to idolize a guy who makes "smart deicisons" and does the thing that makes the most "sense". If anything, the opposite is true, the average fan likes when a guy gets put in an impossibel situation and somehow fights he way out. Thats the basis for superhero in any form of entertainment. Look at an action hero movie. They dont "book" the hero to be surrounded by villians and then....run away. Sure thats the so called smart thing to do, but I'm also certain that type of character wont sell very many tickets or merchandise. Ive used this before, but I can see kids going to school going "hey did you see Randy Orton, he's so smart he ran away, I cant wait to get into a fight so I can run too!". People want to lose themselves in the saga, and having a top babyface who constantly runs away is the wrong move IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tjhe CyNick Report post Posted September 7, 2004 Who cares about protecting Kane? He's not going to draw anything. . Stupidest comment of the day. Did you read the ratings for the Kane/Lita wedding segment? They were huge and succesful. He could easily draw as a champion. But they are basically having him job from right, left, and center. It's pathetic. I have to question your mental capabilities if you think the wedding drawing numbers was because of Kane. Just so you can be enlightened, almost all weddings do big numbers. I mean by your logic, we should be pushing Test to the moon just because he was part of a highly rated wedding segment. Anyway, I'm not against kane, if thats who they want to push. But obviously they dont, Randy is the guy, so why not have Orton go over Kane clean just like all the other top babys do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tjhe CyNick Report post Posted September 7, 2004 Who cares about protecting Kane? He's not going to draw anything. Orton is the guy they want/expect to do business, and yet he gets booked to look like a pussy. Rock or Austin would have never run like that, and they would have had no problem beating Kane one on one in a Cage Match. Its frustrating to watch them screw up another guy who had potential to do somehting. But come on...you're comparing him to Rock and Austin. Even from an elementary point of view, Rock and Austin are both bigger/stronger then Orton. They would have a much better shot at winning a physical contest with the likes of Kane. Or three other guys their size. Plus Orton has been billed from the beginning as the 'kid' of the WWE...so for him to easily hang with the 'big boys' would make no sense. And yes, he did win the title. But Benoit isn't exactly what you would call...an incredible feat, in WWE World. Austin isn't bigger than him, and as far as strength goes, I dont know how you can prove that for either guy, so its a moot point. Orton already proved himself to be tough by beating Foley in a hardcore match and pinning Benoit. That should be enough to get fans to swallow him beating Kane clean in the middle. Besides, I dont think the average fan takes Kane seriosuly as a top guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2004 Who cares about protecting Kane? He's not going to draw anything. Orton is the guy they want/expect to do business, and yet he gets booked to look like a pussy. Rock or Austin would have never run like that, and they would have had no problem beating Kane one on one in a Cage Match. Its frustrating to watch them screw up another guy who had potential to do somehting. It's called being smart, fella. Best thing to do when 4 guys are after you in a cage is run and live to fight another day. It actually makes more sense. Nobody is talking about "what makes sense". What "sense" does it make to run back after you get thrown into the ropes? This is wrestling, you have to suspend disbelief for most of the stuff that goes on. If you look at the past the babyfaces that really draw and get over are the ones who are portrayed to be superhero like ass kickers. Nobody wants to idolize a guy who makes "smart deicisons" and does the thing that makes the most "sense". If anything, the opposite is true, the average fan likes when a guy gets put in an impossibel situation and somehow fights he way out. Thats the basis for superhero in any form of entertainment. Look at an action hero movie. They dont "book" the hero to be surrounded by villians and then....run away. Sure thats the so called smart thing to do, but I'm also certain that type of character wont sell very many tickets or merchandise. Ive used this before, but I can see kids going to school going "hey did you see Randy Orton, he's so smart he ran away, I cant wait to get into a fight so I can run too!". People want to lose themselves in the saga, and having a top babyface who constantly runs away is the wrong move IMO. Ok, so would you rather see Orton kick the shit out of 4 guys, including two monsters instead? Or would you rather see him Run for cover and save an asswhopping so he can be ready for Unforgiven? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2004 I'd rather see Randy try to take on Evolution+Kane, but gets an ass whippin in the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2004 Lilian swearing in Spanish: =D Nidia swearing in Spanish : zzzz... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2004 Did you read the ratings for the Kane/Lita wedding segment? They were huge and succesful. He could easily draw as a champion. But they are basically having him job from right, left, and center. It's pathetic. You do know that despite these jobs, it really doesn't matter in the long run, right? Like a Hogan, Taker, Austin or Rock, the man has bullet-proof heat. You use THESE guys to get everyone else over, because a job wouldn't matter in the slightest to their credbility or fan support. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted September 7, 2004 I attended RAW tonight and I gotta say that it was a pretty entertaining show, though I have no idea how it came across on tv Just a few notes... The Kay Yeager Coliseum is TINY. It's literally the smallest arena I've been to, and the WWE STILL couldn't sell it out. The top half of the left side was tarped off... depressing but kind of funny. I'm assuming the reason that the ramp wasn't used, was because of the size of the place. Even the ring looked smaller than usual. It didn't strike me as a 20 x 20, but more like a 16 x 16. Also, the aisle leading to the ring must have been less than 20 feet which also surprised me, but from what I hear, all of these things didn't really come across any differently on tv. After the cameras stopped, something pretty interesting happened. HHH got into a huge verbal confrontation with this guy at ringside. It almost looked as if the poor bastard was going to start crying. Batista and Flair joined him, and as they all started walking away, the guy at ringside said something else... and HHH turned around, walked back over, and grabbed the guys baseball cap off of his head... he then proceeded to rub it against his crotch and then he wiped his ass with it. It gets worse... HHH gave the cap to Batista... who placed the cap inside of his tights. The camera focused in... and yes, the crowd was treated to a small split second visual of Batistas Leviathan, which was rather disturbing. He then followed HHH's example, by wiping his ass with it... except actually doing inside of his tights before HHH grabbed the cap, and after wiping FLAIRS ass with it, placed it back on the poor guys head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2004 One of the feedback to RAW posts on 1Bob struck me as funny. It's just so pathetic how 1Bob doesn't even try to hide any bias anymore. "From Andrew Betts I watched Raw and it was good for the most part but they went too far with the HHH/Eugene match and this whole Kane/Lita thing has to stop. Enough is enough. I think I will watch more of Impact from now on." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2004 One of the feedback to RAW posts on 1Bob struck me as funny. It's just so pathetic how 1Bob doesn't even try to hide any bias anymore. "From Andrew Betts I watched Raw and it was good for the most part but they went too far with the HHH/Eugene match and this whole Kane/Lita thing has to stop. Enough is enough. I think I will watch more of Impact from now on." After what I saw, re-runs of the later year version WCW Saturday night would be better than this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted September 7, 2004 Is it fair to say that Trish Stratus has become the most entertaining person on RAW? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2004 Is it fair to say that Trish Stratus has become the most entertaining person on RAW? Yup the Canadians & Regal are the only reasons to watch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARTYEWR 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2004 Is it fair to say that Trish Stratus has become the most entertaining person on RAW? Actually, Loss, she was doing a couple stand-up comedy shows a couple weeks ago in Montreal and Toronto. Her work on Raw lately is making me kick myself for missing those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2004 Is it fair to say that Trish Stratus has become the most entertaining person on RAW? With Jericho as a face, and Christian yet to cut a really good promo since coming back, I suppose so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tjhe CyNick Report post Posted September 8, 2004 LC 25, Honestly, I know that doesn't make sense for a guy to run thorugh 4 guys, but I think thats what is needed to get over a babyface, especially a new one. Me personally, I dont care, I can appreciate he "smarts" for running away, but what I like isn't what the vast majority of the viewing public. I mean I like a 60 minute match and most fans would sooner skip the first 55 minutes and catch the ending. All I'm saying is that in terms of trying to give Orton the best chance to make money for the company he needs to be a superman type babyface becaus ehe's not good enough in the ring to get over on ring work alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strummer 0 Report post Posted September 8, 2004 Is it fair to say that Trish Stratus has become the most entertaining person on RAW? Trish is one of the best on Raw in delivering Gewirtz's corny, sexual innuendo laced lines. So is Christian, Jericho and Edge used to be. Obviously Gewirtz loves Trish as she has been getting a ton of backstage vignettes lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted September 8, 2004 Is it fair to say that Trish Stratus has become the most entertaining person on RAW? Oh, she was freaking awesome last night. Her mannerisms against Nidia were great. She was a good heel before, but she really turned it up a notch on Raw. Regarding the Diva Search fight thingy...did they not learn anything from Brawl-For-All, or whatever it was called? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted September 8, 2004 Could the 'Orton should be fighting them all off' crowd be a little more consistent, PLEASE? Hell weren't you all ragging about Austin killing the whole Alliance by doing just that? DDP sure as hell wasn't fighting the whole NWO off by himself, he'd get one, run, and look back and say 'HAHA!!!!!!'. You know it's pretty sad when the 'wrestling is fake' people take the same position that the heels do on TV. And need I remind everybody about the most embarrassing moment in Horseman history--not involving Mongo or Roma? Flair, AA, Benoit and Pillman begging off Hogan, no wonder the Horsemen were a joke from that point on............ Hell wasn't I just bitched out in a thread by Rock-haters a few weeks ago for him fighting off Coach and La Resistance (nm that they had the upper hand until Rhyno made the save)? Come on people: take a side of the fence and stick with it, it ain't that hard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted September 8, 2004 Is it fair to say that Trish Stratus has become the most entertaining person on RAW? Trish is one of the best on Raw in delivering Gewirtz's corny, sexual innuendo laced lines. So is Christian, Jericho and Edge used to be. Obviously Gewirtz loves Trish as she has been getting a ton of backstage vignettes lately. "Hey, urm, uh, Trish...I, uh, I can make you a star...you want another, uh, interview, heh? Maybe after the show we can, uh, you know, go back to my room, and, uh, read some, ah, comic books." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Is it fair to say that Trish Stratus has become the most entertaining person on RAW? Trish is one of the best on Raw in delivering Gewirtz's corny, sexual innuendo laced lines. So is Christian, Jericho and Edge used to be. Obviously Gewirtz loves Trish as she has been getting a ton of backstage vignettes lately. "Hey, urm, uh, Trish...I, uh, I can make you a star...you want another, uh, interview, heh? Maybe after the show we can, uh, you know, go back to my room, and, uh, read some, ah, comic books." Trish admitted she was a geek at heart and reads comic books and stuff. So sadly, by proximity alone Gerwitz probably has a better chance of scoring with Trish than any of us. Regarding the Diva Search fight thingy...did they not learn anything from Brawl-For-All, or whatever it was called? Okay--one Diva has already been injured arm-wrestling... The train-wreck potential of this thing is immense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
