UZI Suicide 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 But Jeter is already at 2nd. If Jeter is supposed to be back at first then shouldn't it be a double play? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Sheffield's lookings like his old playoff self. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Here we go: INTERFERENCE (a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules. In the event the batter runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted October 20, 2004 A dead ball means the play is over. Jeter never advanced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Have to give the umpire crew credit tonight. In a tough situation they've made the right call on two BIG plays tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Here we go: INTERFERENCE (a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules. In the event the batter runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch. Good work Chris. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Here we go: INTERFERENCE (a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules. In the event the batter runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch. JUDGMENT. Jeter was at second base. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 What overpaid pieces of trash. Seriously. what a disgrace this team is. You must be talking about both the teams on tonight Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted October 20, 2004 I have an old rulebook my pops gave me a while back, with all the history behind the rules, but I couldn't find the damn thing. Thanks Chris. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 The announcers should of mentioned it was a dead ball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted October 20, 2004 No judgment needed. Batter-runner hadn't reached first at time of interference. He had to return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Here we go: INTERFERENCE (a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules. In the event the batter runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch. JUDGMENT. Jeter was at second base. You highlighted the wrong section. The last sentence is what applies in this situation, since A-Rod never got to first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Here we go: INTERFERENCE (a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules. In the event the batter runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch. JUDGMENT. Jeter was at second base. No because by your "Judgement" Jeter scored before they ever said, "dead ball" The fact is, A-rod Swatted the ball and the ball was declared dead. Just like a foul ball is a dead ball and even if the runner gets to second before the ball falls into the stands, HE STILL GOES BACK TO 1st. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Here we go: INTERFERENCE (a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules. In the event the batter runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch. JUDGMENT. Jeter was at second base. The last sentence supercedes that clause. You'll notice it says "unless otherwise provided by these rules." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted October 20, 2004 What overpaid pieces of trash. Seriously. what a disgrace this team is. You must be talking about both the teams on tonight uhm...okay... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Here we go: INTERFERENCE (a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules. In the event the batter runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch. JUDGMENT. Jeter was at second base. No because by your "Judgement" Jeter scored before they ever said, "dead ball" The fact is, A-rod Swatted the ball and the ball was declared dead. Just like a foul ball is a dead ball and even if the runner gets to second before the ball falls into the stands, HE STILL GOES BACK TO 1st. I didn't say he scored before he hit the ball. But I'm pretty damn sure Jeter was at 2nd BEFORE A-Rod hit the ball away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingPK 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Besides, A-Rod never touched first anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 What overpaid pieces of trash. Seriously. what a disgrace this team is. You must be talking about both the teams on tonight uhm...okay... Well assuming the Sox don't win the series, they will go back to "The Yankees' bitch" status, and at the same time, you will forget all the insults you hurl towards your 180 million wonder boys, and revel in their win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Here we go: INTERFERENCE (a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules. In the event the batter runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch. JUDGMENT. Jeter was at second base. No because by your "Judgement" Jeter scored before they ever said, "dead ball" The fact is, A-rod Swatted the ball and the ball was declared dead. Just like a foul ball is a dead ball and even if the runner gets to second before the ball falls into the stands, HE STILL GOES BACK TO 1st. I didn't say he scored before he hit the ball. But I'm pretty damn sure Jeter was at 2nd BEFORE A-Rod hit the ball away. It's the rules. If A-Rod would have done what he should have (mowed Bobby Arroyo down and trample him) we wouldn't have this discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Here we go: INTERFERENCE (a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules. In the event the batter runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch. JUDGMENT. Jeter was at second base. No because by your "Judgement" Jeter scored before they ever said, "dead ball" The fact is, A-rod Swatted the ball and the ball was declared dead. Just like a foul ball is a dead ball and even if the runner gets to second before the ball falls into the stands, HE STILL GOES BACK TO 1st. I didn't say he scored before he hit the ball. But I'm pretty damn sure Jeter was at 2nd BEFORE A-Rod hit the ball away. You're missing the point, mike. A-Rod never got to first, therefore, Jeter goes back to the base that he occupied when the pitch was thrown Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 But I'm pretty damn sure Jeter was at 2nd BEFORE A-Rod hit the ball away. Mike, it means that A-Rod had to make it to first and then cause the interference, for Jeter to advance to 2nd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 I'll be interested to see how Francona handles the pitching in the 9th. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Besides, A-Rod never touched first anyway. He came back and touched it after the ball went into the outfield. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Here we go: INTERFERENCE (a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules. In the event the batter runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch. JUDGMENT. Jeter was at second base. No because by your "Judgement" Jeter scored before they ever said, "dead ball" The fact is, A-rod Swatted the ball and the ball was declared dead. Just like a foul ball is a dead ball and even if the runner gets to second before the ball falls into the stands, HE STILL GOES BACK TO 1st. I didn't say he scored before he hit the ball. But I'm pretty damn sure Jeter was at 2nd BEFORE A-Rod hit the ball away. It doesn't matter where Jeter was. A-Rod had not reached first. According to the rule, the runners return to the base they held before the play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Besides, A-Rod never touched first anyway. And he ran well out of the baseline. Whole thing was bizarre. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 But I'm pretty damn sure Jeter was at 2nd BEFORE A-Rod hit the ball away. Mike, it means that A-Rod had to make it to first and then cause the interference, for Jeter to advance to 2nd. Ah. Gotcha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 I'll be interested to see how Francona handles the pitching in the 9th. Foulke's been warming up, so sez TIMMAY. Although that might be Myers, knowing TIMMAY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted October 20, 2004 But at that point the play was over. Since he never reached first at the time of interference, Jeter vhad to return to the base occupied at the beginning of the play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Besides, A-Rod never touched first anyway. He came back and touched it after the ball went into the outfield. My last time on the subject: Interference happened before A-Rod got to first. A-Rod is declared out at the spot of the interference. A-Rod, then, never got to first base, and Jeter has to return to first, as it states in the rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 I think we've covered the play as far as it should go. If anyone has any more complaints/discussion, wait until after the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
