EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 the longer the Oakland Athletics can make fools of them. Still waiting... Four division titles and five playoff appearances, while the big market New York Mets haven't been to the Playoffs since 2000, and the Texas Rangers, who threw $65 Million at Chan Ho Park without looking at his home/away splits, are just now recovering from that mistake. They've lost Jason Giambi, Jason Isringhausen, Johnny Damon, Miguel Tejada, Keith Foulke and they STILL won 90+ games this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 I consider Mussina more of a douchebag for complaining about the Tom Cheek ceremony before a Yankees/Blue Jays game this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 But they haven't won anything yet. They're 0-9 when they have two wins in a divisional series and they choked away the division title this week. It's just hard to get into Oakland's philosophy when they always seem to choke. I know the playoffs are a crapshoot and all that but it is hard to take them seriously when they choke it away year after year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 But they haven't won anything yet. They're 0-9 when they have two wins in a divisional series and they choked away the division title this week. It's just hard to get into Oakland's philosophy when they always seem to choke. I know the playoffs are a crapshoot and all that but it is hard to take them seriously when they choke it away year after year If the problem is with their philosophy, they wouldn't take five games to lose every year. The choking is a problem with the players, not with the overall philosophy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 I see your point al but couldn't the philosophy mean they're bringing in the wrong players? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 I see your point al but couldn't the philosophy mean they're bringing in the wrong players? Possibly. But there's no good method for finding those players. Look at Tim Hudson. Fantastic winning percentage, any team would want him. He had a 6.23 ERA in the 2002 playoffs. Who would've seen that coming? Ditto for Miguel Tejada. Who could've predicted his 2 for 23 performance last year? These are players just about any team would take. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 NEW YORK -- The Boston Red Sox capped off an improbable comeback in Game 7 of the AL Championship Series Wednesday night -- and so did the TV ratings. Boston's 10-3 win in Game 7 of the AL Championship Series on Wednesday was the highest-rated league championship series game since 1991, drawing a 19.4 national rating for Fox Sports. That was up 13 percent from last year's Game 7 between the same teams, which the Yankees won on a home run by Aaron Boone in the 11th inning. Game 7 of the NLCS between Pittsburgh and Atlanta in 1991 got a 19.9 rating. Wednesday's game was the highest-rated ALCS game since Game 7 of the Boston-Anaheim series in 1986 (21.2). The ratings in New York and Boston were impressive. There was a rating of 56.6 in the Boston area, better than either of the Patriots' two Super Bowl wins. New York had a rating of 30.7. Much like the Red Sox, the ratings improved as the series went on. After so-so viewership while New York got out to a 3-0 lead, audiences grew as Boston began to come back. Game 6 on Tuesday got a 15.6 rating, a 24 percent increase over the 12.6 rating for the equivalent broadcast last year -- Game 6 between the Chicago Cubs and the Florida Marlins in the NLCS. Overall, the ALCS averaged an 11.7 rating, up 9 percent from last year's 10.7. The rating is the percentage of television households tuned to a broadcast. Each rating point represents about 1.08 million households. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 That home run by Rolen is yet another reason why Ed Wade and Dave Montgomery should be drawn and quartered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfaJack 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Wrong thread, dude. Doesn't reduce the awesomeness of Rolen's blast, however. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Ah shit I forgot about that, my mistake Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Those are some TV ratings, although I expected them to be even higher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Hey speaking of Cabrera, remember when the Yankees' grand plan was to acquire him after the Series last year? That's OK, guess they didn't either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Cabrera's not even arbitration eligible until after next season. There's no way the Yankees could've gotten him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Hate to say this but Joe Torre should consider handing over the ranks to Willie Randolph. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Speaking of over looked years, Cabrera had an AWESOME season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Speaking of over looked years, Cabrera had an AWESOME season. Agreed. 294/366/512 in Pro Player Stadium, and he's just 21! Most similar batter at age 21, Hank Aaron. Of course Ruben Sierra is #2. In any case though, he has the potential to become great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Besides, we do have a team to trade with as well. After THIS, very few people are untouchable. I hope those people are willing to work for a lot less. But now that they got a taste of that Yankees bankroll, they're going to inflate their egos and demand star-quality paychecks for the kinds of shitty performances they've put on for the Yankees 04 season. Money doesn't win the game, but it sure increases the sense of self-worth. Congrats, Yankees. You truly are the WCW of the MLB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Hate to say this but Joe Torre should consider handing over the ranks to Willie Randolph. I think Torre is out the door one way or another, Willie will take the Mets job and I bet George guns for his boy Lou Pinella. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Speaking of over looked years, Cabrera had an AWESOME season. Hopefully many more to come. He's my favorite player currently and rapidly approaching my favorite player all time. We are practically the same age, although I'm a bit older. That helps too. I'm also financially tied to his sucess too, as I've managed to build a nice portfolio of Miguel Cabrera autographed and game used baseball cards. It's worth about $2000 now, but if the meteroic rise in Albert Pujols cards also happens to Cabrera, it could easily be worth $8000-10,000. I saw that on baseball-reference, and I'm excited by it. He's only going to get better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iliketurtles 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 So does this thread get closed and a classic. But Dames being a Yankee fan and all...probably not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted October 22, 2004 There's been nothing classic about this. AS's meltdown specials are too common place and the thread was basically nothing special. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banders Kennany Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Please don't mention crappy wrestling in a baseball thread. Yeah how dare me mention the ONLY PLACE 1 WIN = 585 LOSSES seems to work................ GreatOne, maybe it is just me but I have no idea what you meant with any of that talk. What are you blabbing about? You're right, it's just you. What I'm saying is maybe the way in which they did it (coming from 3-0 down) makes it mean more, this was the year the Red Sox beat the Yankees, but does that make every other time the Sox have been slapped down go away? The heel/face comparison draws in perfectly, all the face has to do is the beat the heel once in X tries and that's it. Yet that only works in wrestling, not in baseball. Now continue on non-comprehending. Hey you can fuck off buddy. Very true. Al, do you think of the Sox's remarkable comeback here as some kind of vindication for the Sabermetric Revolution? Billy Beane, Epstein, and the like get put down by popular baseball media folks, who still cling to the notion that sacrifice bunts are worthwhile. Does this give Beane, Epstein, et al the vindication they need, or will that only come with a World Series win? Dr. Tom is on drugs. What the heck is that babble? What does one even call a finish of this sort? We're a little better than standard Eastern division champions, but not quite league champions. What the fuck are we "One of the Division series champions?" They better not raise that banner. You're not League Champions AT ALL. Some could even argue you're not even division champs because you got smoked within your division. Keep crying, but don't sugar the tears. Hey anyone know some good baseball forums if I want to wallow in the tears of extremely angry and enraged Yankee fans like cpac? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Please don't mention crappy wrestling in a baseball thread. Yeah how dare me mention the ONLY PLACE 1 WIN = 585 LOSSES seems to work................ GreatOne, maybe it is just me but I have no idea what you meant with any of that talk. What are you blabbing about? You're right, it's just you. What I'm saying is maybe the way in which they did it (coming from 3-0 down) makes it mean more, this was the year the Red Sox beat the Yankees, but does that make every other time the Sox have been slapped down go away? The heel/face comparison draws in perfectly, all the face has to do is the beat the heel once in X tries and that's it. Yet that only works in wrestling, not in baseball. Now continue on non-comprehending. Hey you can fuck off buddy. Very true. Al, do you think of the Sox's remarkable comeback here as some kind of vindication for the Sabermetric Revolution? Billy Beane, Epstein, and the like get put down by popular baseball media folks, who still cling to the notion that sacrifice bunts are worthwhile. Does this give Beane, Epstein, et al the vindication they need, or will that only come with a World Series win? Dr. Tom is on drugs. What the heck is that babble? What does one even call a finish of this sort? We're a little better than standard Eastern division champions, but not quite league champions. What the fuck are we "One of the Division series champions?" They better not raise that banner. You're not League Champions AT ALL. Some could even argue you're not even division champs because you got smoked within your division. Keep crying, but don't sugar the tears. Hey anyone know some good baseball forums if I want to wallow in the tears of extremely angry and enraged Yankee fans like cpac? What a truly crap way to end this thread....................... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tom 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Mussina has admitted it, and Tom isn't arguing that point at all. He just says that Cito should have put him in anyways. I say that Mussina shouldn't have been warming up in the first place. Maybe Mussina shouldn't have been warming up. He wasn't told to, so it's something he got up and did on his own. However, Mussina was never the type to show someone up, so I don't think that's the reason he did it. He probably felt he needed some work. The hometown fans obviously wanted to see him pitch, and it's ridiculous that they never got the chance because Gaston was an immature crybaby who thought he'd been dissed. Grow up, Cito, and let the man play in his home stadium. I think it's silly to play *everyone* in an ASG and have a 2002 situation, but you ALWAYS get the hometown players out there. Supposedly, Mussina apologized to Gaston a year or two after the incident, and all was good between them. What he should have done is kick him in the junk and toss him down the dugout steps for being such a childish cretin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tom 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Very true. Al, do you think of the Sox's remarkable comeback here as some kind of vindication for the Sabermetric Revolution? Billy Beane, Epstein, and the like get put down by popular baseball media folks, who still cling to the notion that sacrifice bunts are worthwhile. Does this give Beane, Epstein, et al the vindication they need, or will that only come with a World Series win? Dr. Tom is on drugs. What the heck is that babble? Anyone who follows baseball and its trends should find that very easy to comprehend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 In response to that point, Dr. Tom, I believe that there will be people in baseball that will never ever follow the sabermetric revolution. Partly because they don't believe it, but moreso due to their stubborness. Joe Morgan is their "unofficial" leader, I suppose. I finally read Moneyball, and while there were parts of it I absolutely hated (the Deification of Billy Beane) overall it persuaded me enough to follow the tenants of the plan. I'm anxious to see how Swisher fares in the majors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 I finally read Moneyball, and while there were parts of it I absolutely hated (the Deification of Billy Beane) overall it persuaded me enough to follow the tenants of the plan. If you've never read Bill James' Historical Abstract, I highly recommend it. Its a terrific read, even if you care nothing about statistics. Its full of anectdotes, information, essays, etc. Best of all, its about $20 on paperback. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 Just purchased from Amazon.com both Bill James revised Historical Abstract and also Baseball Prospectus 2004. Got both for $30.07 with super saver shipping. Looking forward to adding some knowledge to my brain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Man in Blak 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 BPro is a great read - you'll definitely want to grab the 2005 version whenever you start scouting around for fantasy baseball information. Speaking of which, when do the new editions normally come out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2004 I actually tacked that on there for baseball cards. I figured the more knowledge I acquire about prospects, the better I will be at picking and choosing what rookie cards to stock up on. Albert Pujols has a rookie card on eBay currently for almost $15,000 , and in some small way I'd like to get in on that. Plus, I love baseball so anything I can read about it will help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
